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denphone 02-07-2019 08:37
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36001038)
Again - a ridiculous thing to say in respect of Conservative members. Why on earth would the 120,000 Conservative members receive Hunt's nonsense with any relish?

And how on earth could Hunt have calculated that the members would receive his anti-business remarks in a good light?

I'm more off Hunt now than I was with Boris.
Don't worry as Boris Johnsons anti-business views are just as bad.

https://www.businessgreen.com/bg/blo...which-business

https://www.ft.com/content/8075e68c-...7-1e1a0846c475

ianch99 02-07-2019 09:06
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36001043)
The more nonsense Hunt spouts, the more BoJo's lead narrows. There's method in his madness.
You're right to highlight that the Conservative Party is no longer the natural home for business. Maggie must be turning in her grave.
To be honest I am not sure it is the natural home for much nowadays. I mean, One Nation Conservatism is long dead.

In all the ramblings so far, when have they discussed the "Brexit" equivalent of the The Anti Tax Avoidance Directive? Quite the opposite in fact.

denphone 02-07-2019 09:37
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36001046)
To be honest I am not sure it is the natural home for much nowadays. I mean, One Nation Conservatism is long dead.
Several have said they are One Nation Conservatives in the last couple of decades but a clear analysis of their time in office would suggest very much otherwise...

OLD BOY 02-07-2019 11:52
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36000981)
It's amazing the spending pledges they're making. Education - more funding. NHS - more funding. Northern Infrastructure - more spending. All whilst cutting our taxes!
This is so amusing. The Left is oh so happy to deride spending pledges being made by the two contenders for PM and yet don't bat an eyelid at Corbyn's ideas for a spending frenzy funded by his money tree!

I would respectfully remind everyone that it is the Conservatives who have the good reputation when it comes to the economy. If you spend more money and cut taxes, clearly the money does have to come from somewhere. Just because neither Hunt nor Johnson have explained where the money is coming from does not mean they don't have a proper plan.

Boris is considering reducing the size of the Cabinet by half, which will save billions, as well as reducing the international aid budget, for starters.

The Left have also consistently failed to understand that by reducing taxes in a managed way, you can actually increase revenues. Of course, the Left would not want to acknowledge that anyway as it would take away their 'logic' for increasing taxes on the rich. The politics of envy.

denphone 02-07-2019 12:01
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36001084)
This is so amusing. The Left is oh so happy to deride spending pledges being made by the two contenders for PM and yet don't bat an eyelid at Corbyn's ideas for a spending frenzy funded by his money tree!
l don't give two hoots about the dreadful Jeremy Corbyn and the left but as usual you revert to your usual default political position of failing to see quite clearly that Boris Johnsons and Jeremy Hunts sums don't add up unless of course that magical money tree suddenly reappears at the most convienent time when it suits their political ends..

OLD BOY 02-07-2019 12:07
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36001087)
l don't give two hoots about the dreadful Jeremy Corbyn and the left but as usual you revert to your usual default political position of failing to see quite clearly that Boris Johnsons and Jeremy Hunts sums don't add up unless of course that magical money tree suddenly reappears at the most convienent time when it suits their political ends..
I note that you omitted the rest of my message, which explained that, Den, you naughty boy! :D

denphone 02-07-2019 12:09
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36001084)
I would respectfully remind everyone that it is the Conservatives who have the good reputation when it comes to the economy. If you spend more money and cut taxes, clearly the money does have to come from somewhere. Just because neither Hunt nor Johnson have explained where the money is coming from does not mean they don't have a proper plan.
A reputation they intend to throw away at the altar of Johnsons and Hunts false promises and **** business attitude....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...t-was-worth-it

https://en.brinkwire.com/news/i-say-...ship-struggle/

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36001084)

Boris is considering reducing the size of the Cabinet by half, which will save billions, as well as reducing the international aid budget, for starters.
Another load of bollocks by him as usual...

Hugh 02-07-2019 12:10
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36001084)
This is so amusing. The Left is oh so happy to deride spending pledges being made by the two contenders for PM and yet don't bat an eyelid at Corbyn's ideas for a spending frenzy funded by his money tree!

I would respectfully remind everyone that it is the Conservatives who have the good reputation when it comes to the economy. If you spend more money and cut taxes, clearly the money does have to come from somewhere. Just because neither Hunt nor Johnson have explained where the money is coming from does not mean they don't have a proper plan.

Boris is considering reducing the size of the Cabinet by half, which will save billions, as well as reducing the international aid budget, for starters.

The Left have also consistently failed to understand that by reducing taxes in a managed way, you can actually increase revenues. Of course, the Left would not want to acknowledge that anyway as it would take away their 'logic' for increasing taxes on the rich. The politics of envy.
There are 22 members of the Cabinet (including the PM), so if it reduced by 11, they would save the ministerial part of their salary (around £70k per year, times 11, equals £770k per annum).

"Which would save billions" - not a valid interpretation of actuality, as it would take 1,300 years to save 1 billion.

denphone 02-07-2019 12:13
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36001084)

The Left have also consistently failed to understand that by reducing taxes in a managed way, you can actually increase revenues. Of course, the Left would not want to acknowledge that anyway as it would take away their 'logic' for increasing taxes on the rich. The politics of envy.
Oh dear revert to the usual OB default political position!!!! as this is a Conservative leadership thread OB as there is a Labour one to use For Corbyn and the Labour party as we are discussing both candidates economic competence on this thread..

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36001088)
I note that you omitted the rest of my message, which explained that, Den, you naughty boy! :D
No l was getting to that..;)

OLD BOY 02-07-2019 12:20
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36001091)
There are 22 members of the Cabinet (including the PM), so if it reduced by 11, they would save the ministerial part of their salary (around £70k per year, times 11, equals £770k per annum).

"Which would save billions" - not a valid interpretation of actuality, as it would take 1,300 years to save 1 billion.
If you only count ministerial salaries, yes. There are other savings apart from just that, including savings on office space, Civil Service staffing costs and unnecessary spending.

Hugh 02-07-2019 12:27
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36001095)
If you only count ministerial salaries, yes. There are other savings apart from just that, including savings on office space, Civil Service staffing costs and unnecessary spending.
So are you saying each cabinet minister requires nearly £90 million in support costs each year?

denphone 02-07-2019 12:43
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
William Hague, the former Conservative party leader and former foreign secretary, has written a candid column (paywall) in the Daily Telegraph today about the Tory leadership contest.

There are snippets from it in this link at 09:32.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...082cc21811bd1c

ianch99 02-07-2019 13:05
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36001084)
This is so amusing. The Left is oh so happy to deride spending pledges being made by the two contenders for PM and yet don't bat an eyelid at Corbyn's ideas for a spending frenzy funded by his money tree!

I would respectfully remind everyone that it is the Conservatives who have the good reputation when it comes to the economy. If you spend more money and cut taxes, clearly the money does have to come from somewhere. Just because neither Hunt nor Johnson have explained where the money is coming from does not mean they don't have a proper plan.

Boris is considering reducing the size of the Cabinet by half, which will save billions, as well as reducing the international aid budget, for starters.

The Left have also consistently failed to understand that by reducing taxes in a managed way, you can actually increase revenues. Of course, the Left would not want to acknowledge that anyway as it would take away their 'logic' for increasing taxes on the rich. The politics of envy.
Not sure who "The Left" are .... but this is priceless :)

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Just because neither Hunt nor Johnson have explained where the money is coming from does not mean they don't have a proper plan.
reminds me of:

Quote:
I'm definitely not paranoid but it still doesn't mean they are not still out to get me
BTW, your "politics of envy" defence of the super rich is shallow. There is no moral justification of individuals with wealth in the 100's of millions and billions not being taxed more to help improve our country and to make it a fairer place to live. The facile "trickle down economics" argument is a total con job. I mean, think about it, the people who want to gain (and retain) disproportionate wealth at the expense of their fellow citizens would say that wouldn't they? ;)

Maggy 02-07-2019 13:52
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
The candidates and their proposed plans should really be the focus of this thread.

Damien 02-07-2019 14:02
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36001084)
This is so amusing. The Left is oh so happy to deride spending pledges being made by the two contenders for PM and yet don't bat an eyelid at Corbyn's ideas for a spending frenzy funded by his money tree!
.
I have criticised Corbyn loads of times and never voted for him. Give it a rest.


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