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OLD BOY 29-07-2018 10:38
Re: Virgin Media & UKTV+ITV Channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35957083)
Point of order ! UKTV didn't withdraw their channels or make any demands, VM decided they didn't want to pay any longer. Same as if you and i went into a shop and decided we didn't want to pay today....
You could say that in respect of UKTV's premium channels, but UKTV definitely pulled the free channels. VM were quite happy to continue making those channels available.

Anyway, it's all a bit academic really.

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Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35957115)
If ITV and Sky had a spat over contracts and ITV channels were removed,imagine the loss of revenue ITV would suffer through lost advertising! Sky have a massive TV customer base,much larger than Virgin,so it would really be suicidal for ITV to ever contemplate it.
The truth is, both companies stood to lose too much without a deal and they stepped back from the brink. A very wise move.

It's a completely different situation with UKTV. All their channels put together have much lower ratings than ITV's main channel.

Raider999 29-07-2018 10:39
Re: Virgin Media & UKTV+ITV Channels
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35957068)
As an example, there are details like this available for your perusal to back up my claims regarding the number of dissatisfied customers, the concerns about the contract being deemed to be unfair and how people cānnot even get through to cancel and Ofcom involvement.

https://twitter.com/Ofcom/status/1022136683104481282

Yes, there are new channels coming; Food Network +1 and Travel Channel +1.
Stretching a bit calling them new channels!

Minority interest and off-set by an hour - totally unnecessary.

OLD BOY 29-07-2018 10:40
Re: Virgin Media & UKTV+ITV Channels
 
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35957119)
Stretching a bit calling them new channels!

Minority interest and off-set by an hour - totally unnecessary.
I agree, and as Richard knows full well, these are not the channels I was talking about.

Raider999 29-07-2018 10:43
Re: Virgin Media & UKTV+ITV Channels
 
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Originally Posted by mot12 (Post 35957099)
I'm glad ITV and VM came to an understanding in the end, the combo of Coronation Street lovers and ITV4 sport lovers would have destroyed VM and they knew it. It would have been UKTV channels what UKTV channels. :D

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I've looked up BTSport4K, Women's Hockey in 4K not bad! ;) The OH wanted to know if they do Weightlifting or Swimming in 4K, I said no but there is Speedway, Helmets and all. :D

On a more serious note after looking up the schedule there's going to be more 4K to watch than I expected.

How have you watched BTSport4K? I can't find it in the epg.

OLD BOY 29-07-2018 10:50
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35957121)
How have you watched BTSport4K? I can't find it in the epg.
It launches tomorrow. I think he just means he's looked up the listings.

figgyburn 29-07-2018 11:50
Re: Virgin Media & UKTV+ITV Channels
 
I only have a vhd box.will that get the 4k channel or is that reserved only for v6 boxes?

1701-e 29-07-2018 12:00
Re: Virgin Media & UKTV+ITV Channels
 
V6 only.

SnoopZ 29-07-2018 12:13
Re: Virgin Media & UKTV+ITV Channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 35957133)
V6 only.

You will also need to be on the Full House or VIP packages to get it.

RobboEdin 29-07-2018 12:16
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...or pay for BT Sports as an add-on if you are on a lower TV tier.

Mr K 29-07-2018 12:29
Re: Virgin Media & UKTV+ITV Channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35957116)
You could say that in respect of UKTV's premium channels, but UKTV definitely pulled the free channels. VM were quite happy to continue making those channels available.
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Ok, so it's the same as going into a shop, seeing a 'buy one get one free offer', and asking if we can just have the free one ! :D

Inactive Digital 29-07-2018 12:55
Re: Virgin Media & UKTV+ITV Channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35957138)
Ok, so it's the same as going into a shop, seeing a 'buy one get one free offer', and asking if we can just have the free one ! :D
But this example would mean you get 10 pay channels for the price of five...

RichardCoulter 29-07-2018 15:13
Re: Virgin Media & UKTV+ITV Channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35957115)
If ITV and Sky had a spat over contracts and ITV channels were removed,imagine the loss of revenue ITV would suffer through lost advertising! Sky have a massive TV customer base,much larger than Virgin,so it would really be suicidal for ITV to ever contemplate it.
Well, ITV can't ask for retransmission fees from Sky on satellite, only when their dishless service starts.

Any dispute about carriage fees would only affect the HD versions of ITV2, ITV3 and ITV4. Even then, there would be nothing to stop ITV making them available FTA.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35957116)
You could say that in respect of UKTV's premium channels, but UKTV definitely pulled the free channels. VM were quite happy to continue making those channels available.

Anyway, it's all a bit academic really.

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The truth is, both companies stood to lose too much without a deal and they stepped back from the brink. A very wise move.

It's a completely different situation with UKTV. All their channels put together have much lower ratings than ITV's main channel.
I've explained what actually happened in post #538; none of the channels were actually pulled by either party on the weekend in question. It was VM who made the channels invisible to domestic STB's because they had no choice.

japitts 29-07-2018 15:19
Re: Virgin Media & UKTV+ITV Channels
 
It seems both sides are becoming, publicly at least, quite entrenched - not good but not entirely unexpected.

In the blue corner, we have Virgin who may well have undervalued the UKTV portfolio and will only be persuaded otherwise by cancellations, downgrades and lower new customer numbers.

In the red corner, UKTV who have overvalued their channels or are indeed not offering OD sufficient to "replace" the BBC archive. They will only be persuaded otherwise, by advertisers reducing spend etc or the total loss of VM's carriage fees starting to hit.

And in the meantime, UKTV say "we're probably not coming back" & VM carrying on with reallocating the EPG slots :-( Not good..

I'm beginning to lose confidence in this being resolved soon, maybe it might take a month or longer for the financial figures to start being hit. Or maybe the EPG slot threat might do it, hmmm....

mot12 29-07-2018 15:45
Re: Virgin Media & UKTV+ITV Channels
 
Yes, I looked up what's on BTSport4K over the next week or two because I know it's launching tomorrow.

And as I said there will be a fair amount to watch on there.

OLD BOY 29-07-2018 15:51
Re: Virgin Media & UKTV+ITV Channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by japitts (Post 35957161)
It seems both sides are becoming, publicly at least, quite entrenched - not good but not entirely unexpected.

In the blue corner, we have Virgin who may well have undervalued the UKTV portfolio and will only be persuaded otherwise by cancellations, downgrades and lower new customer numbers.

In the red corner, UKTV who have overvalued their channels or are indeed not offering OD sufficient to "replace" the BBC archive. They will only be persuaded otherwise, by advertisers reducing spend etc or the total loss of VM's carriage fees starting to hit.

And in the meantime, UKTV say "we're probably not coming back" & VM carrying on with reallocating the EPG slots :-( Not good..

I'm beginning to lose confidence in this being resolved soon, maybe it might take a month or longer for the financial figures to start being hit. Or maybe the EPG slot threat might do it, hmmm....
To be honest, I think Virgin have walked away in exasperation. Unless UKTV can come up with an acceptable offer, I don't think any further talks will be arranged.

So my advice to UKTV is to stop winding up Virgin's customers by Tweet and start talking to the BBC about their ludicrous stance on OD content. Only that and/or a reduction in price is going to move these talks on now.


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