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nomadking 19-11-2020 22:48
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36058824)
This would be because you haven’t made a case to address.

Hint: one-line rhetorical questions are not a case.
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The experts have also calculated that based on the latest battery technology (80 per cent nickel, 10 per cent cobalt, 10 per cent manganese), UK demand for EV batteries will require almost the total amount of neodymium produced globally each year, three quarter’s of the world’s lithium, and “at least half” of the world’s copper.
The letter, authored by a team of eight scientists headed by the Natural History Museum’s head of earth sciences, professor Richard Herrington, explains that to replace the UK’s cars with EVs will require 207,900 tonnes of cobalt, 264,600 tonnes of lithium carbonate and “at least” 7,200 tonnes of neodymium and dysprosium, as well as 2,362,500 tonnes of copper.
And that's just for the UK demand. 100% of world output of Neodymium, 75% of the world's output of Lithium and half of the world's copper output. How is that just rhetorical?:confused:

Sephiroth 20-11-2020 01:27
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... not to mention that China has prolly bagged it all in Africa.

We're doomed (as I have said before).

Carth 20-11-2020 03:46
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Maybe there's loads of that sort of stuff on the moon . . . electric shuttle launches will be a bugger though :D

Sephiroth 20-11-2020 12:06
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36058941)
Maybe there's loads of that sort of stuff on the moon . . . electric shuttle launches will be a bugger though :D
I suppose that if they displace a whole load of minerals from Moon to Earth without sending the corresponding mass back to the moon, then
at least the Moon's drift away from orbit around Earth can be halted!

papa smurf 14-06-2021 16:21
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The Carbon Battle Bus came to a standstill after it couldn't charge at five stations across Cornwall on Sunday

net zero charging then :rofl:


https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...nwall-charging

Mr K 14-06-2021 16:25
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36083031)
The Carbon Battle Bus came to a standstill after it couldn't charge at five stations across Cornwall on Sunday

net zero charging then :rofl:


https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...nwall-charging
Yeah, they'll have have wave and wind powered boats next. Its political correctness gone mad, probably.

papa smurf 14-06-2021 16:30
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36083033)
Yeah, they'll have have wave and wind powered boats next. Its political correctness gone mad, probably.
we already have wind powered boats that go nowhere most of the time , that's why people buy diesel powered boats;)

Sephiroth 14-06-2021 16:36
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36083034)
we already have wind powered boats that go nowhere most of the time , that's why people buy diesel powered boats;)
The rest are gloating Remainers on this forum. One of things I'm concerned about is that the UK should produce electric cars so we can avoid French cars.

My sense is that the Japs will build EVs here as they know there is a slice of the 30+ million car market. It's so important to the UK that level playing field rules with the EU should be disapplied if necessary.

1andrew1 14-06-2021 16:49
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36083037)

My sense is that the Japs will build EVs here as they know there is a slice of the 30+ million car market. It's so important to the UK that level playing field rules with the EU should be disapplied if necessary.
Nissan are currently building electric cars here. Honda is closing down. Mitsubishi is leaving the UK market.
The intentions of Toyota towards building electric cars here and indeed in Europe are not known. All its electric vehicles are currently exported from Japan.

Sephiroth 14-06-2021 17:27
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36083040)
Nissan are currently building electric cars here. Honda is closing down. Mitsubishi is leaving the UK market.
The intentions of Toyota towards building electric cars here and indeed in Europe are not known. All its electric vehicles are currently exported from Japan.
Hence incentives to the Japs would be a good thing.

1andrew1 14-06-2021 17:32
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Hence incentives to the Japs would be a good thing.
Only Toyota amongst the Japanese manufacturers. Vauxhall needs wooing too amongst other foreign-owned manufacturers.

mrmistoffelees 14-06-2021 17:51
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My new electric car arrives next month.

Still keep the V6 diesel for lugging kit and dogs around however

Mad Max 14-06-2021 18:03
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Electric cars are very expensive at the moment, they'll need to reduce prices if they expect people to buy them in large numbers.

Sephiroth 14-06-2021 18:46
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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36083060)
Electric cars are very expensive at the moment, they'll need to reduce prices if they expect people to buy them in large numbers.
No schmitt!.

Taf 14-06-2021 20:40
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I think all this "charging at home or in car parks" system is looking the wrong way.

Why not CHANGE your flat battery for a charged one at some local location?

I'm sure it could be done. In-and-out in minutes instead of hours. No need to have charging leads all over the place. No need to upgrade all the local power lines.

The South Korean government is changing all telephone booths into battery-exchange units for their growing number of electric bikes.


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