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Angua 06-01-2019 13:32
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35978018)
This is why governments need to be really careful when they decide on austerity measures. Short term thinking leads to long term problems. Although the Tory dislike of the NHS never helps anyway.

denphone 06-01-2019 13:37
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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35978001)
Not helped by the cut to nursing bursaries, meaning even fewer are joining the profession.
Common sense long term policy making obviously went out of the window..

Sephiroth 06-01-2019 17:23
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35978001)
Not helped by the cut to nursing bursaries, meaning even fewer are joining the profession.
This goes back to my note on going back to the old ways. The NHS has got rid of nurse's homes, funding for training (as mentioned) and all sorts of goodies that enticed nurses into the profession.

Hugh 06-01-2019 17:26
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35978059)
This goes back to my note on going back to the old ways. The NHS has got rid of nurse's homes, funding for training (as mentioned) and all sorts of goodies that enticed nurses into the profession.
Well, the nurses accommodations at the Leeds General Infirmary were closed because no one wanted to live there - they were shabby, had terrible heating, shared bathrooms and toilets...

Sephiroth 06-01-2019 17:27
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35978019)
This is why governments need to be really careful when they decide on austerity measures. Short term thinking leads to long term problems. Although the Tory dislike of the NHS never helps anyway.
The Tories have no dislike of the NHS. They have made bad policy in the past (1980s) mainly because most politicians are ******s.

The current crisis is also the result of bad policy, in particular where austerity meets huge rise in population.

1andrew1 06-01-2019 21:05
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35978061)
[COLOR="Blue"]The Tories have no dislike of the NHS.
If so, this has not manifested itself in spending on the NHS. I don't like party politics but it's a fact that Labour has consistently raised spending on the NHS in real terms far more than the Conservatives. (5.6% v 1.3%)
If you scroll down to the chart towards the bottom of this page you will see the evidence. https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...n-with-the-nhs

Sephiroth 07-01-2019 07:40
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35978086)
If so, this has not manifested itself in spending on the NHS. I don't like party politics but it's a fact that Labour has consistently raised spending on the NHS in real terms far more than the Conservatives. (5.6% v 1.3%)
If you scroll down to the chart towards the bottom of this page you will see the evidence. https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...n-with-the-nhs
I don't dispute your facts. But austerity was imposed by the Tories following Labour's spell in government. That, together with the huge rise in population, hit the NHS hard.

OLD BOY 07-01-2019 12:53
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35978105)
I don't dispute your facts. But austerity was imposed by the Tories following Labour's spell in government. That, together with the huge rise in population, hit the NHS hard.
That's right, and Labour's throwing money at the NHS was wasted. It didn't prevent the pitiful situation of patients having to drink out of vases, did it?

In my view, the NHS could be a lot more efficient without having to allocate billions more every year.

Carth 07-01-2019 14:41
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I thought computers were going to streamline everything, and make the NHS faster and more efficient.

I guess nobody factored in the cost of new and 'improved' systems every year
. . . and then there's a TV at every bedside, many of which don't get used.

Sometimes I swear the world is going backwards in the name of progress :rolleyes:

Mr K 07-01-2019 14:50
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35978160)
I thought computers were going to streamline everything, and make the NHS faster and more efficient.

I guess nobody factored in the cost of new and 'improved' systems every year
. . . and then there's a TV at every bedside, many of which don't get used.

Sometimes I swear the world is going backwards in the name of progress :rolleyes:
Private sector IT solutions for the Public Sector have never really worked out (for the public sector/tax payer anyway, the companies have done very well).

denphone 07-01-2019 14:51
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35978160)
I thought computers were going to streamline everything, and make the NHS faster and more efficient.

I guess nobody factored in the cost of new and 'improved' systems every year
. . . and then there's a TV at every bedside, many of which don't get used.

Sometimes I swear the world is going backwards in the name of progress :rolleyes:
At a over a Fiver a day can one be surprised.

Mr K 07-01-2019 14:59
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35978164)
At a over a Fiver a day can one be surprised.
The last conversation I had with my Dad was on how to work out the fecking card machine tv, so he could watch the footy. The equipment seemed way more complex and took up more space than the machines that temporarily kept him alive. All seemed wrong somehow.

1andrew1 10-02-2019 14:25
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Brexit-hit Spanish nurses deepen NHS staffing crisis
The staffing crisis in the National Health Service is escalating because hundreds of Spanish nurses are threatening to leave after it emerged that domestic rules threaten to render their UK work experience worthless at home after Brexit.
Spanish nurses currently build up points from work experience in other countries, which they can then use to improve their salary or job prospects in Spain.[when we leave the EU their UK work experience won't count]
https://www.ft.com/content/ff6c0cba-...4-c32129756dd8

nomadking 10-02-2019 14:51
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35982837)
Spain is the problem with that, not the UK.
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In Spain, the health ministry will introduce a draft law this year that would extend the points programme from EU countries to Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) countries.

1andrew1 10-02-2019 15:05
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35982839)
Spain is the problem with that, not the UK.
Let's hope the Spanish move swiftly with their legislation this year.


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