Originally Posted by tweedle (Post 35823087)

What extra cost? If they want to sell to us , an we want to sell to them then we will be fine. All these "what ifs" but not one concrete example! Market forces will ensure were OK.

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35823101)

Try buying from the states, or from Japan then you'll understand that it isn't the "what if's" that you've ignored from others which have posted in many posts but actual facts.

We only get free trade benefits as part of the EU, if we're not part then we do not get the benefits and we won't get an agreement unless we capitulate.

The only country outside of the EU yet in the EAA and EFTA is norway and they had to agree to abide by a lot of EU directives to get there.. Also the red tape that people complain about when dealing with the EU will still be there if we trade with them from outside.

I'm not saying we stay in or come out but for gawd sake take off your blinkers and read the posts :banghead:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35823101)

The only country outside of the EU yet in the EAA and EFTA is norway and they had to agree to abide by a lot of EU directives to get there.

Originally Posted by tweedle (Post 35823103)

My wife runs her company that exists exclusively due to buying from the US, Japan, China. You're going to have to explain what your import problems are? Because we may be able to help you.

What is the product you're having problems importing? An do not tell me about the cost of shipping to the UK LOL. If it's built in Japan shipping to UK is no more than shipping to France, America, Brazil ect.

Unless of course you own Landrover or any other massive UK based manufacturer I do not see your issue?

But silliness aside, you're saying what YOU say is fact and what anyone posting about leaving Europe says is nonsense?

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35823105)

Untrue.

Norway's political leaders willingly signed up to conditions that were barely a step removed from the conditions of EU membership because they fully intended to make Norway a full member of the EU. Inconveniently, the Norwegian people then rejected the prospect of EU membership in a referendum. Norway is therefore left, thanks entirely to the high-handed actions of its politicians, with a deal that saddles them with many of the obligations of membership, and few of the privileges.

It is a fallacy to assume the UK's relationship with the EU, post secession, will look anything like Norway's.

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35823112)

Never said import product (yet another of your assumptions) instead it's a service industry associated with Motorsport (or do you have a distant sister/cousin twice removed in that trade as well???)

I never said anything but my opinion which you seem to try to gloss over. Yet again someone in the leave camp trying to put words in everyone else's mouth.

As for Norway in which you queried in another format just read http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...osts-thinktank for one thought on if we follow them.

So Mr Twaddle try accepting that your We Must Leave retoric is quite simplistic and there is another side as well as a middle for this discussion otherwise we wouldn't even need a referendum. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Not what they said on BBC news the other week.. But that's the point of these discussions as to what do you believe and from where.

The leave candidates portray a horror story of mass migration and no control... Yet the Stay campaign throws in security and cost spiralling. Even the main media outlets contradict each other. What can we believe and what do we ignore?

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35823117)

If all you can moan about is spelling when I'm typing on a tablet then gawd help the "Leave Europe" campaign

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Originally Posted by tweedle (Post 35823118)

Sorry Mr Dymmy, nice use of emotes to punctuate your posts though. It gives them a very professional an mature feel.

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35823129)

I haven't though argued to stay or leave.. As with probably 75% of the voters I'm middle of the fence :) - smiley to make you happy..

All I've put forward is stuff I've heard that contradicts a lot of what the leave or stay people have said, hence I asked for your viewpoint as you seem firmly in the leave camp. The question though is an open one as many have definitively stated we should leave or stay so why?

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35823135)

Not that I'd want a set of balls......

Twice I've asked for your opinion on why we should leave especially with your forceful viewpoint in previous posts that we should leave and each time you've instead commented on spelling or my usage of emoticons.

So you know you want the UK to leave but you don't know why or you don't want to say?

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35823101)

Try buying from the states, or from Japan then you'll understand that it isn't the "what if's" that you've ignored from others which have posted in many posts but actual facts.

We only get free trade benefits as part of the EU, if we're not part then we do not get the benefits and we won't get an agreement unless we capitulate.

The only country outside of the EU yet in the EAA and EFTA is norway and they had to agree to abide by a lot of EU directives to get there.. Also the red tape that people complain about when dealing with the EU will still be there if we trade with them from outside.

I'm not saying we stay in or come out but for gawd sake take off your blinkers and read the posts :banghead: