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Nobody is putting words in my mouth. You simply adhere to a way of life of which are many or you don't.

The Russian told the world of it's reasons why they have taken action. I'm not typing from heart all those reasons because I didn't memorise them.

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Has PubeNews taken a day off? I mean this is still unanswered for https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...s#post36204771

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Much as that nice Mr Hitler told the world of his reasons for wanting the Sudetenland, and then Austria, and then western Poland, and then the rest of Poland and a chunk of the western USSR.

You know when an abuser slaps their victim and then says ‘look what you made me do’, the reasons on offer are seldom good ones, right?

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Didn't Putin's lot fight Hitler? Many a different way of life out there don't get caught up on one and it's similarities.

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It’s like English, but not…

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They didn't get in to any situation. Russia literally invaded and attacked them for no reason. :rolleyes:

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Can Russia back up it's claims? Or Ukraine of no wrong doing?

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In Ukraine’s case you’d be asking it to prove a negative. This is not reasonable. Russia has made a complaint and it is up to Russia to demonstrate it. In Russia’s case, whatever evidence they say they have is not justification for invasion of a sovereign neighbour, which has been forbidden by the network of treaties we call international law since 1945 - which take an especially dim view of territorial conquest. Note these are the very same laws that secure otherwise disputed territories in Russia’s far east.

I’m genuinely curious for you to share with us the sources you’ve been reading that have led you to believe Russia has legitimate grievances here. You’re coming off like a pound-shop Solovyov at the moment. It’s weird.

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Why isn't Russia being nuked or carpet bombed for it's actions?

Russia seems to be doing all the wrong things according to you folk but I only see nations geeing Ukraine up. Go on do something about it.

They the Russians want the land. They got a taste as you mentioned from the very law they now dispute.

Poundshops a scam. Everythings one pound something.

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Are you high on something ? Perhaps you need to take a rest.
Your posts are almost nonsense, and making you look a little foolish.

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He"s been on the Gin. See the "What are you drinking now?" thread. ;)

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He's right about the pound shops though

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Don't then. Carry on fighting. :rolleyes:

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They are. :dozey:

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Isn't it funny how the country USA is the reason this war is prolonged. I mean USA want it ended by force or being occupied. Thousands are dying due to this confusion.

I think it's safe to say Putin ain't listening now. Trump should focus merging Canada, Greenland and south America to the United States of whole America :woot:

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What about Central America (Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Panama)?

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I considered them and Mexico part of south America

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You would be incorrect in that consideration…

https://www.britannica.com/place/South-America

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So the EU and it's bumchums will war with Russia :rolleyes: what a bullshit life to live. I mean do they honestly believe this will pass. This and Ukraines NATO membership.

Ukraine are soo lucky they have US assistance, stick that in your declaration of the willing.

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NATO membership is not on the cards.
I dont believe it ever was, even before the war, not for a long time anyway.

I dont see why we should legally commit to supporting them, it should be voluntary.

Can you really see Russia agreeing to Ukraine having an 800,000 "force".

In fact, can you really see them (Putin) agreeing to any of this.

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Maybe we'll be the next US state, well positioned after all. :angel:

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Interesting u-turn from Zelensky
https://archive.ph/rRH9D

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Not really.

Agreeing to plan for something you know won’t happen is just good politics, if being seen doing the planning is necessary in order to secure continued support.

The Western news media still doesn’t really understand Ukraine, or this conflict, and is largely still stuck in a cold-war mindset in which Ukraine must inevitably, eventually, take whatever terms are on offer because Russia is the unbeatable second army of the world. It consequently falls victim to its own confirmation bias whenever it gets hold of stories like this.

You see the same phenomenon on the BBC whenever they send a reporter to spend a week on one section of the vast front in this conflict. Inevitably they start filing copy about depressed, demoralised soldiers and ZOMG! RuSSiaNs aRe AdVaNcInG!!11!! pieces-to-camera delivered with that sad head tilt and sympathetic frown I’m sure they all learn how to do before being handed their flak jacket.

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Question: Can Trump guarantee that Russia will not hit polling stations with their drones, cruise missiles or ballistic ones during the election/referendum? They would present very tempting targets for them.

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Trump can’t guarantee that any more than he could guarantee a week without Russian attacks on Ukrainian civilian infrastructure during an especially cold winter week, as was demonstrated last week. As I’ve said before, we don’t have hard proof that Trump has been compromised by the FSB, but it’s difficult to imagine how differently he’d behaving if he were. He talks tough but rarely actually does anything that causes Russia strategic harm and it’s plain Russia does what it wants regardless of what Trump seems to say.

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Perhaps why Zelensky was willing to have an election during a cease fire but I doubt if it happen now.

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More rule bending for Ukraine please

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...-live-12541713

:rolleyes:

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https://archive.ph/BoQTY

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy031d1ny7jo

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Are all of the Russian sanctions decided by Lord Trump (Master of the Universe and beyond), or do other Countries have a say in them?



*asking for some friends with rising energy costs

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a god doesn't usually consult his worshipers ;)

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:D:D:D

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it's gods oil and he''ll send it where he wants it :nworthy:

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But he knows who is a loser.

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God is good.

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Sanctions imposed by the US are enforced by controlling access to the world financial system which is denominated in US currency. Any criminal activity involving use of dollars is considered in American law to be a crime punishable in the USA. How they do that obviously depends on who is doing the criminal thing. For individuals they seek extradition. For nation states they impose penalties like trade tariffs, export bans or, in extreme cases, shutting off their ability to use transaction clearing services that pass through US systems.

As a side note, one of the unforeseen long-term consequences of Trump’s unpredictable and haphazard foreign and trade policies has been to cause other countries to diversify away from USD as their main reserve currency. EUR and RMB (china) are both viable alternatives at present. The more this happens, the less able the US is in the long run to dictate global sanctions policies. Just another way in which MAGA is achieving anything but.

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Thanks for the explanation, and the info about the American future finance situation ;)

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Knowledge is useful - ignorance, not so much…

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I've never wanted to know everything about everything, especially the everything that I usually show no interest in ;)

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Ignorance on a subject isn’t something to be ashamed of, but it’s not something to be proud of… ;)

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To be fair, I suppose there's no excuse for being ignorant of anything when the internet and AI has all the answers at the click of a few buttons . . . if you trust and believe the answers from the internet and AI :rolleyes:

Yes I know, I asked a question here, on the internet, but was fairly certain I'd get a decent answer on here ;)

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c2d8...fb1d2ab95#post

Why is thus relevant to the Russia-Ukraine war?

https://news.sky.com/story/eus-aid-t...ocked-13522031

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No surprised why she resigned. Trump has a 'special relationship with two countries and one of them is at war with Ukraine. The role is next to impossible unless Trump changes his stance.
https://www.ft.com/content/33d5d8d4-...syn-25a6b1a6=1

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And Trump won’t change his stance because sucking up to Putin is one of his great passions. We don’t *know* whether Trump was compromised by the KGB/FSB of course … but he certainly behaves as if he is.

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A repeat of last year's three-day ceasefire.
https://www.thetimes.com/world/russi...aine-scm2cctvx

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Zelensky’s office has released some very, very specific instructions about where and when they won’t drop bombs …

https://x.com/reshetz/status/2052821564437991717?s=61

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if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck......

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https://mickryan.substack.com/p/losi...m_medium=email

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The whole thing has now descended into something akin to kids throwing bricks at each other over a wall, each side claiming massive victories whilst maintaining their innocence.

To be honest, I've lost interest in the 'war' . . . not only because we keep throwing money at them to buy more bricks.

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Thanks for that, Lieutenant General (HM Armchair Regiment).

Meanwhile in the real world, the reason Russia’s assaults are flagging, as much as the drone slaughter on the frontlines, is the as-yet not widely reported attacks Ukraine has been making on Russia’s deep rear for the past several weeks. This is largely unreported because non-specialist news correspondents are obsessed with the movements of front lines, and these aren’t moving very much in either direction.

But Crimea is running out of fuel, and fresh water; the Kerch Bridge is too at-risk to use, the ferry route is under constant threat of bombardment, and lorries on the so-called ‘land bridge’ route along the occupied southeast coast of Ukraine are being taken out daily by long-range Ukrainian drones in what Americans might call ‘Turkey shoot’.

Just as nobody listened to the online analysts who pointed out that the 40-mile armoured column aimed at Kyiv in 2022 was a sign of Russian weakness, not strength, until it ground to a halt and started getting blown up, so nobody is as yet taking much notice of the destruction of Russian logistics way behind the front lines.

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War over by the weekend then?

Nope, didn't think so, it's gonna drag on a fair while yet :(

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If only allies pulled out of Ukraine :rolleyes:

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It is. I’m curious why you’d assume it ending at the weekend would be better, though, given what we know Russians do to people whose land they occupy? It’s so easy to sit in a chair a thousand miles away and chant ‘no more war’, but what if you’re a civilian who needs the war to go on to have any chance of being free again?

Ukraine has been invaded, its people are being abused. Both-sidesing the conflict helps nobody but Putin.

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The war (and that stupidity in Iran) needs to end, and soon. There's already been too much death & destruction caused by the willy waving.

That's me, the Armchair General, stating an opinion, nothing more ;)

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just wondering do you out rank General bluster of the fourth highland key tapper regiment

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They were tested 2 years ago, but never deployed, because it’s against Ukraine’s rules (at the present) - current autonomous drones have human oversight

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1781860441

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1781860441

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Crimea is under effective seige now, because the Kerch Strait Bridge is all but unusable and the land corridor, the coastal road through the occupied territories, is patrolled by autonomous truck-hunting drones. Yes, they require human permission to actually go in for a kill but we have arrived at the point where some kid miles from the front is clicking a dialogue box asking Blow up lorry? OK/Cancel.

This is only very surprising to those who prefer to think the Ukraine war has more or less gone away, except for every 3 months when the BBC dispatches someone to file weary reportage from some crater near the front where the troops haven’t been rotated out in months. The narrative that Russian victory is inevitable is surprisingly persistent, especially in the face of this week’s multiple Ukrainian strategic attacks on Moscow.

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Soon to be Saint Zelensky :rolleyes:

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Interesting development with no US components used. Plus, one of the companies, MGI, is new to the defence sector. It uses advanced composite materials pioneered in Formula 1 racing cars to make its Tiger Shark missile.

https://www.ft.com/content/78d880ee-...syn-25a6b1a6=1

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MBDA is French-headquartered and owned by BAE Systems (UK), Leonardo (Italian Government) and Airbus (French, Spanish and German governments plus private investors).

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One day, someone will have to ask Trump how he’s made America great again by so diminishing its influence. It’s almost as if he was always too stupid to realise what would happen if he made other countries not trust America any more.

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As if to prove a point, one of those “Russia Masses Troops to Advance and Take Donbas” stories appears on the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9w2g0ewk95o

The salient facts (that Russia is losing 30,000 troops a month, has barely advanced anywhere all year, has lost ground to Ukraine in various sectors) is either not mentioned at all, or gets a look in downpage. All because there are 100 Russians inside a ruined city all desperately doing flag-planting propaganda photos.

These stories appear because journalists have been steeped for decades in the idea that Russia is basically the same as the Soviet Union, a superpower with a massive, effective army. But it’s not even certain *that* was ever really true, and it’s absolutely not true now. Nevertheless, we’re doomed to suffer breathless commentary every time something happens that props up that presupposition.

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A reader's comment by Florisan in the FT :D
https://www.ft.com/content/75148ab3-...syn-25a6b1a6=1

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:D

Meanwhile, and in a further indication of how Trumpy MAGA is turning out anything but, British weapons manufacturers have been producing prototype missiles for Ukraine under a UK government sponsored programme whose aim is to produce weapons for Ukraine that do not have any American components or reliance on American GPS or other data. The project is called Project Brakestop, which tells you everything you need to know about how Trump’s attempt to hobble Ukraine and support Putin has served only to erode trust in America as an ally and to reduce the perceived value of American defence technologies. A missile you can’t fire if its manufacturer vetoes it, is just a lump of useless metal.

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Why did they all agree with Trumps leadership when he kicked off in the white house? Great allies snaking eachother. Well done.

I still want to know Trumps views on friendly fire.

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That hails from a point in which European leaders - and Zelensky, under advice from Europeans - still believed it was possible to contain Trump with flattery. It has since become obvious that Trump is too unstable, to easily swayed by whoever he last spoke to and his own base need to be respected as a tough guy by association with tough guys. Some of the fulsome sucking-up was cringeworthy to watch, but thankfully we should not see any more of it.

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You could simplify your post to just freeloaders.

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Tell me you don’t understand (much like Trump) why the USA has bases and military forces in Europe without telling me you don’t understand why the USA has bases and military forces in Europe…

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I get the impression that Trump likes to back winners, although he's not particularly successful at selecting them!

He seems to be changing his tune a bit on Ukraine the more successful that Ukraine is.
https://www.ft.com/content/e08ee46f-...syn-25a6b1a6=1

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You and me both!

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Kicking and screaming but, yes, a little at least. He’ll equivocate though, unless Russia comes to the brink of unavoidable collapse. He desperately wants Putin to do well. One view is that the Russians have kompromat on him, another is simply that he’s a low-IQ narcissistic sociopath whose self-image depends on the success of those he admires, and he admires Putin, and others like him, who get to run their countries the way Trump likes to run his boardrooms.

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I understand freeloaders isn't flagged on your news feed.

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Back to Biden perhaps Kamala Harris running again

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Or…

You could try having an opinion based on fact, rather than Trump/MAGA rhetoric…

From a post I made last year…

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I'll be honest I don't understand all that. Countries are cooperating with eachother fine. There's no need for the freeloading.

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The freeloading is debatable anyway, despite what donny would have us believe it suited Anerica to have them freeloading, to a degree anyway, America's foreign policy interests were well served by the freeloading and there were no complaints when Europe went to war on America's behalf in Afghanistan, they were better served then than now at any rate, great news donny no ones freeloading anymore but America has no allies and its arms industry would be on its arse if it wasn't so busy restocking after a stupid war that didn't need fighting, is it really any wonder how this berk managed to bankrupt 7 casinos, the man is incapable of any rationale long term thinking, he is like a child

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Don't worry, Trump knows what he's doing . . . right up until he wakes and his brain cogs start slipping ;)

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Yes, no such thing as a free lunch or airbase. ;)

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Once again, it’s not freeloading…

The USA has bases (and lots and lots of military supplies) in Europe because when they decide to attack/defend Countries in the Middle East, it’s cheaper and quicker for them to ship the ammo, parts, & people from Europe to their bases in the Middle East than it would be to ship them from various bases in the USA (especially the bases in Middle/Western USA).

For instance, Ramstein (in Germany) to Kuwait is around 2,400 miles, and would take around 6 hours flight time; Joint Base Langley–Eustis (in Virginia, USA East Coast) to Kuwait is 6,500 miles, and would take 12-15 hours flight time, and would require refuelling stops, so would probably take longer…

When you’re moving tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of tons of equipment, this could make the difference between winning or losing a conflict.

The US bases in Europe and the Middle East are their equivalent of Amazon Distribution Centres in the UK - it’s quicker and more cost-effective to have the goods nearer where they are needed.

Or to put it another way, firepower & technology win battles, but logistics and supply lines win wars.

It’s no good having boots on the ground, if you can’t get ammo and food to them, as the Germans found out with Operation Barbarossa…

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Anyway, speaking of supplies (and disruption thereof)

https://united24media.com/war-in-ukr...o-russia-20154

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1782498433

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I see Zelensky will be doing the rounds with the begging bowl again . .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9d227e5zj6o


and . . .

Both sides still playing tit for tat then, someone needs to knock their heads together

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Oh good :rolleyes:

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Pretty sure no one ever described the Allies invasion of Europe as "tit for tat"...

It's not easy to "knock their heads together" if one side (Russia) has said they will only stop attacking if Ukraine surrender...

If Russia stop fighting, the war is over.
If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine is over.

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The latter :D

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Do you think the UK will send them cash and/or missiles for the defense of Ukraine?

Considering the UK has just 'pledged/promised/still debating' spending blah blah £millions to increase the safety of the UK, at the 'pledged/promised/still debating' cost of 'cutting/withdrawing/reducing' some blah blah services ;)

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Yes, the UK is continuing to support Ukraine with hardware as well as training. It’s pretty obvious special forces were in country training them in insurgency prior to the conflict and had at least something to do with Ukraine’s wildly successful push back against Russia in 2022.

Russia is an imperial state which is fighting to hold what it has and to regain what it feels entitled to. That began with skirmishes in Chechnya and Georgia but Ukraine is the real proof of concept. Were Russia able to reassimilate Ukraine it would regather its strength and then go after the Baltics, then Poland, and somewhere along the way would likely use constitutional shenanigans to absorb Belarus too. The aim is for Russia to reassert the maximum extent of its historic influence, which it enjoyed through the USSR between WW2 and the collapse of the Berlin Wall in 1939.

This is not a war of choice between squabbling siblings with wrong on both sides. Such a view is devoid of any attempt to bother understanding what’s happening, akin to a bored father scolding both children for spoiling his peace because he can’t be bothered putting his newspaper down long enough to understand what’s actually happening.

As Hugh said, if Russia stops, the war ends. If Ukraine stops, Ukraine ends. Even a viable ceasefire on the current line of contact favours Russia in the long term. Russia has never respected any treaty, ever, for any length of time. The assault to take Kyiv would simply be scheduled for some time next decade once Russia has regenerated its forces.

The UK and others must support Ukraine in order to prevent that happening and, selfishly, to stop Russia’s imperial project from creeping closer to their own borders.

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I think Chris you'll find the Berlin wall collapsed in 1989 not 1939.

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:spin:

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If, as suggested, most of Europe are of the mindset that Russia will stop at nothing to 'reclaim' the land it has lost since the break up of the USSR, and then continue on to other countries, why is it being left to the Ukraine to stop them?

Surely we must now all join forces and bomb the crap out of Russia, no matter how much it costs. Then we can go after China too because they're not to be trusted either . . and when the mighty European war machine is rolling ever onwards we may as well go the whole way and slap the USA about too.
:rolleyes:

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Bless…

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You're saying that Europe is right to dither about hoping Ukraine can pull off a miracle?

Either Russia are on the march or they're not . .

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I dont think Russia has marched very far in the last 3 years.

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exactly, this could go on for another 3 with no result on the horizon

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Other than big bills and lots of dead and injured.

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Once again, for those at the back who can’t (or won’t) pay attention …

Russia *needs* an incursion into Nato territory now more than ever. European Nato is what’s keeping Ukraine in business and the likeliest way of stopping that is to fracture the alliance. They don’t need to cross an allied border with 10,000 men. They just need to ‘crash’ a helicopter 5 miles over the border, then send in a ‘rescue’ mission which requires them to set up logistics chains back across the border to Russia. Then they sit and wait to see what Nato does. If Nato dithers, Russia can probe harder. And in the meantime, the squabbling between the Nato members who understand that Russia needs a hard slap in the face if it puts a single pair of boots on Nato territory, and those who continue to argue for Russia’s legitimate interests, makes it harder to deal with the next action Russia takes, possibly in ‘defence’ of Russian-speaking citizens of the Baltic states.

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this is where you pause call of duty,come out of the basement and have a nice cup of tea;)

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NATO always dithers, it's a dozen or more members that need 17 meetings before a decision is made . . to send a harshly worded letter.

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It took one day the only time Article 5 has been invoked - 9/11…