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thenry 03-12-2025 19:54
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36207329)
Such as ?

(Dont forget to ask Putin what your reply should be). :rolleyes:
Nobody is putting words in my mouth. You simply adhere to a way of life of which are many or you don't.

The Russian told the world of it's reasons why they have taken action. I'm not typing from heart all those reasons because I didn't memorise them.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36207330)
OK, Vatnik…
Has PubeNews taken a day off? I mean this is still unanswered for https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...s#post36204771

Chris 03-12-2025 20:03
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36207331)
The Russian told the world of it's reasons why they have taken action. I'm not typing from heart all those reasons because I didn't memorise them.
Much as that nice Mr Hitler told the world of his reasons for wanting the Sudetenland, and then Austria, and then western Poland, and then the rest of Poland and a chunk of the western USSR.

You know when an abuser slaps their victim and then says ‘look what you made me do’, the reasons on offer are seldom good ones, right?

thenry 03-12-2025 20:07
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Didn't Putin's lot fight Hitler? Many a different way of life out there don't get caught up on one and it's similarities.

Sephiroth 03-12-2025 20:14
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36207336)
Didn't Putin's lot fight Hitler? Many a different way of life out there don't get caught up on one and it's similarities.
Stalin and Hitler were always gonna double cross each other. Remember, they had a pact where Russia took eastern Poland and Hitler took western Poland.

Stalin/Putin - of the same mould with modern differences.

Btw, STalin wasn't a loser.

Hugh 03-12-2025 20:22
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36207336)
Didn't Putin's lot fight Hitler? Many a different way of life out there don't get caught up on one and it's similarities.
It’s like English, but not…

Stephen 03-12-2025 21:43
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36207320)
They shouldn't have got themselves in the situation in the first place. Excuse me for not crying for Ukraine.
They didn't get in to any situation. Russia literally invaded and attacked them for no reason. :rolleyes:

thenry 03-12-2025 21:51
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Can Russia back up it's claims? Or Ukraine of no wrong doing?

Chris 03-12-2025 22:31
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36207343)
Can Russia back up it's claims? Or Ukraine of no wrong doing?
In Ukraine’s case you’d be asking it to prove a negative. This is not reasonable. Russia has made a complaint and it is up to Russia to demonstrate it. In Russia’s case, whatever evidence they say they have is not justification for invasion of a sovereign neighbour, which has been forbidden by the network of treaties we call international law since 1945 - which take an especially dim view of territorial conquest. Note these are the very same laws that secure otherwise disputed territories in Russia’s far east.

I’m genuinely curious for you to share with us the sources you’ve been reading that have led you to believe Russia has legitimate grievances here. You’re coming off like a pound-shop Solovyov at the moment. It’s weird.

thenry 03-12-2025 22:44
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Why isn't Russia being nuked or carpet bombed for it's actions?

Russia seems to be doing all the wrong things according to you folk but I only see nations geeing Ukraine up. Go on do something about it.

They the Russians want the land. They got a taste as you mentioned from the very law they now dispute.

Poundshops a scam. Everythings one pound something.

Paul 04-12-2025 01:23
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Are you high on something ? Perhaps you need to take a rest.
Your posts are almost nonsense, and making you look a little foolish.

Mr K 04-12-2025 05:00
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36207351)
Are you high on something ? Perhaps you need to take a rest.
Your posts are almost nonsense, and making you look a little foolish.
He"s been on the Gin. See the "What are you drinking now?" thread. ;)

TheDaddy 04-12-2025 15:45
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36207357)
He"s been on the Gin. See the "What are you drinking now?" thread. ;)
He's right about the pound shops though

thenry 05-12-2025 18:34
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It would be "unacceptable" for Ukraine to "simply give up territory" in any peace deal with Russia, the head of the Ukrainian armed forces has told Sky News.

https://news.sky.com/story/giving-up...chief-13479634
Don't then. Carry on fighting. :rolleyes:

Paul 05-12-2025 19:21
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36207428)
Don't then. Carry on fighting. :rolleyes:
They are. :dozey:

thenry 03-01-2026 16:51
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Isn't it funny how the country USA is the reason this war is prolonged. I mean USA want it ended by force or being occupied. Thousands are dying due to this confusion.

I think it's safe to say Putin ain't listening now. Trump should focus merging Canada, Greenland and south America to the United States of whole America :woot:

Hugh 03-01-2026 17:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36208475)
Isn't it funny how the country USA is the reason this war is prolonged. I mean USA want it ended by force or being occupied. Thousands are dying due to this confusion.

I think it's safe to say Putin ain't listening now. Trump should focus merging Canada, Greenland and south America to the United States of whole America :woot:
What about Central America (Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Panama)?

thenry 03-01-2026 17:50
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I considered them and Mexico part of south America

Hugh 03-01-2026 18:01
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36208479)
I considered them and Mexico part of south America
You would be incorrect in that consideration…

https://www.britannica.com/place/South-America

thenry 06-01-2026 17:56
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
declaration sets out the "components of the security guarantees". This includes:
  • Setting up a ceasefire monitoring mechanism placed under US leadership with contributions from several nations;
  • A Ukrainian force of 800,000 men with the "training, capabilities, and all the necessary resources to ensure that this army can deter any new aggression";
  • Continuing to work to create a "multinational force in the air, on the seas and on land to provide reassurance after the ceasefire";
  • And Ukraine's allies legally committing to supporting Ukraine "in the event of a new attack by Russia".
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...#liveblog-body
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Von der Leyen said: "Ukraine's accession to the EU will be both a key security guarantee in its own right and a central pillar of our transformative prosperity offer."

For context: Ukraine's bid for EU membership has long been on the bloc's agenda, with several rounds of talks held on the matter last year.

But the move has faced repeated resistance from Hungary, whose prime minister, Viktor Orban, and government are widely seen as the most Kremlin-friendly of its members.

Formal EU accession negotiations can only begin with the unanimous consent of all 27 member states.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...#liveblog-body
So the EU and it's bumchums will war with Russia :rolleyes: what a bullshit life to live. I mean do they honestly believe this will pass. This and Ukraines NATO membership.

Ukraine are soo lucky they have US assistance, stick that in your declaration of the willing.

Paul 06-01-2026 18:43
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NATO membership is not on the cards.
I dont believe it ever was, even before the war, not for a long time anyway.

I dont see why we should legally commit to supporting them, it should be voluntary.

Can you really see Russia agreeing to Ukraine having an 800,000 "force".

In fact, can you really see them (Putin) agreeing to any of this.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36208475)
Trump should focus merging Canada, Greenland and south America to the United States of whole America :woot:
Maybe we'll be the next US state, well positioned after all. :angel:

1andrew1 11-02-2026 12:33
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Interesting u-turn from Zelensky
Quote:
Zelenskyy planning elections in Ukraine and vote on peace deal

Trump administration has pressured Ukrainian leader to hold both votes by May 15 or risk losing security guarantees

Ukraine has begun planning presidential elections alongside a referendum on any peace deal with Russia, after the Trump administration pressed Kyiv to hold both votes by May 15 or risk losing proposed US security guarantees.

The move, according to Ukrainian and western officials and others familiar with the matter, comes amid intense pressure on Kyiv by the White House to wrap up peace negotiations between Ukraine and Russia in the spring.

The plan aligns with a US push, outlined by Volodymyr Zelenskyy to reporters last Friday, to have all documents signed to bring Europe’s largest conflict since the second world war to an end by June.

“They say that they want to do everything by June . . . so that the war ends,” Ukraine’s president told reporters, citing the White House’s desire to shift its focus to the US midterm elections in November. “And they want a clear schedule.”
https://archive.ph/rRH9D

Chris 11-02-2026 13:25
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36210319)
Interesting u-turn from Zelensky

https://archive.ph/rRH9D
Not really.

Quote:
Ukrainian and western officials stressed that both the timetable and the US ultimatum were unlikely to hold, as they hinged on several factors, including that progress could be made towards a peace deal with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Agreeing to plan for something you know won’t happen is just good politics, if being seen doing the planning is necessary in order to secure continued support.

The Western news media still doesn’t really understand Ukraine, or this conflict, and is largely still stuck in a cold-war mindset in which Ukraine must inevitably, eventually, take whatever terms are on offer because Russia is the unbeatable second army of the world. It consequently falls victim to its own confirmation bias whenever it gets hold of stories like this.

You see the same phenomenon on the BBC whenever they send a reporter to spend a week on one section of the vast front in this conflict. Inevitably they start filing copy about depressed, demoralised soldiers and ZOMG! RuSSiaNs aRe AdVaNcInG!!11!! pieces-to-camera delivered with that sad head tilt and sympathetic frown I’m sure they all learn how to do before being handed their flak jacket.

pip08456 11-02-2026 18:20
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Question: Can Trump guarantee that Russia will not hit polling stations with their drones, cruise missiles or ballistic ones during the election/referendum? They would present very tempting targets for them.

Chris 11-02-2026 20:26
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Trump can’t guarantee that any more than he could guarantee a week without Russian attacks on Ukrainian civilian infrastructure during an especially cold winter week, as was demonstrated last week. As I’ve said before, we don’t have hard proof that Trump has been compromised by the FSB, but it’s difficult to imagine how differently he’d behaving if he were. He talks tough but rarely actually does anything that causes Russia strategic harm and it’s plain Russia does what it wants regardless of what Trump seems to say.

pip08456 11-02-2026 20:38
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Perhaps why Zelensky was willing to have an election during a cease fire but I doubt if it happen now.

thenry 12-02-2026 12:33
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
More rule bending for Ukraine please

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...-live-12541713

:rolleyes:

Hugh 06-03-2026 10:43
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https://archive.ph/BoQTY

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VIENNA, March 5 (Reuters) - The United States joined Russia, China, and *Niger on Thursday in opposing a resolution adopted by the U.N. nuclear watchdog's board denouncing attacks on Ukraine's energy infrastructure as a threat to nuclear safety, diplomats said.

The resolution, passed by the ​International Atomic Energy Agency's 35-nation Board of Governors, is the seventh on Ukraine ​since Russia invaded its neighbour four years ago.

This is the first time ⁠the United States has opposed one.

"While we continue supporting the IAEA's work in-country, ​we do not support the Board's current consideration of an unnecessary resolution that does not ​help achieve peace between Ukraine and Russia," the United States said in its statement to the board before the vote.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy031d1ny7jo

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The US government has temporarily eased sanctions to allow India to buy Russian oil currently stranded at sea, amid escalating tensions in the Middle East.
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said the 30-day waiver, external was a "deliberate short-term measure" to allow oil to keep flowing in the global market.

Carth 06-03-2026 11:58
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Are all of the Russian sanctions decided by Lord Trump (Master of the Universe and beyond), or do other Countries have a say in them?



*asking for some friends with rising energy costs

papa smurf 06-03-2026 12:39
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36211843)
Are all of the Russian sanctions decided by Lord Trump (Master of the Universe and beyond), or do other Countries have a say in them?



*asking for some friends with rising energy costs
a god doesn't usually consult his worshipers ;)

1andrew1 06-03-2026 12:42
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36211847)
a god doesn't usually consult his worshipers ;)
:D:D:D

papa smurf 06-03-2026 12:49
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36211849)
:D:D:D
it's gods oil and he''ll send it where he wants it :nworthy:

Sephiroth 06-03-2026 13:11
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36211847)
a god doesn't usually consult his worshipers ;)
But he knows who is a loser.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36211851)
it's gods oil and he''ll send it where he wants it :nworthy:
God is good.

Chris 07-03-2026 09:40
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36211843)
Are all of the Russian sanctions decided by Lord Trump (Master of the Universe and beyond), or do other Countries have a say in them?



*asking for some friends with rising energy costs
Sanctions imposed by the US are enforced by controlling access to the world financial system which is denominated in US currency. Any criminal activity involving use of dollars is considered in American law to be a crime punishable in the USA. How they do that obviously depends on who is doing the criminal thing. For individuals they seek extradition. For nation states they impose penalties like trade tariffs, export bans or, in extreme cases, shutting off their ability to use transaction clearing services that pass through US systems.

As a side note, one of the unforeseen long-term consequences of Trump’s unpredictable and haphazard foreign and trade policies has been to cause other countries to diversify away from USD as their main reserve currency. EUR and RMB (china) are both viable alternatives at present. The more this happens, the less able the US is in the long run to dictate global sanctions policies. Just another way in which MAGA is achieving anything but.

Carth 07-03-2026 12:35
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Thanks for the explanation, and the info about the American future finance situation ;)

Hugh 07-03-2026 12:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36211928)
Thanks for the explanation, and the info about the American future finance situation ;)
Knowledge is useful - ignorance, not so much…

Carth 07-03-2026 16:00
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
I've never wanted to know everything about everything, especially the everything that I usually show no interest in ;)

Hugh 07-03-2026 16:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36211936)
I've never wanted to know everything about everything, especially the everything that I usually show no interest in ;)
Ignorance on a subject isn’t something to be ashamed of, but it’s not something to be proud of… ;)

Carth 07-03-2026 22:10
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To be fair, I suppose there's no excuse for being ignorant of anything when the internet and AI has all the answers at the click of a few buttons . . . if you trust and believe the answers from the internet and AI :rolleyes:

Yes I know, I asked a question here, on the internet, but was fairly certain I'd get a decent answer on here ;)

Chris 08-03-2026 15:08
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several posts removed. Please discuss the topic, not each other.

Hugh 12-04-2026 20:21
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c2d8...fb1d2ab95#post

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Orbán has led Hungary almost unchallenged for 16 years.

A short while ago, he rang his rival Péter Magyar, the leader of the opposition Tisza Party, to concede.

He congratulated him on his victory and then, surrounded by gloomy-faced leading members of his party Fidesz, he announced his party’s defeat to his supporters.

On the other side of the River Danube in Tisza headquarters, party workers hugged each other, while the crowds on the shore of the river began to celebrate.

The margin of victory looks huge - big enough to secure a two-thirds majority in the new parliament for Tisza.

This is an astonishing victory for a centre-right party only founded two years ago and a serious blow to national populists - not just here in Hungary, but across Europe.
Why is thus relevant to the Russia-Ukraine war?

Quote:
Moscow’s interest in the Hungarian elections has been evident, with Viktor Orbán the only EU leader who systematically blocks sanctions and military aid to Ukraine, as well as supports gas deals with Russia.

Before the elections, Bloomberg published a transcript of a conversation between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Orbán from October 2025.

In it, Orbán reportedly compared himself to a mouse that saves a lion, after which the lion does not kill it.

Orbán also reportedly assured Putin that on any issue where he could be useful “I am at your service”.
https://news.sky.com/story/eus-aid-t...ocked-13522031

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Hungary is blocking the European Union from providing Ukraine with a loan to help its war effort.

Viktor Orban, the right-wing prime minister in Budapest, has been a constant critic of the bloc's commitment to supporting Kyiv and is seen as one of Vladimir Putin's closest allies in Europe.

His country is a member of the EU, and he has been accused of undermining the bloc's position on the war.

Brussels agreed a deal worth €90bn in December to help Kyiv keep fighting for up to two more years, but Mr Orban is blocking the money from being provided.

1andrew1 28-04-2026 22:20
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No surprised why she resigned. Trump has a 'special relationship with two countries and one of them is at war with Ukraine. The role is next to impossible unless Trump changes his stance.
Quote:
US ambassador to Ukraine to leave over differences with Donald Trump

Julie Davis frustrated with president’s lack of support for Kyiv, say people familiar with the matter

The acting US ambassador to Ukraine will depart Kyiv in the coming weeks, according to people familiar with the matter, leaving a crucial diplomatic post vacant while Russia prepares for a summer offensive and peace talks stall.

Julie Davis, who has served as temporary chargé d’affaires at the US embassy in Kyiv since May last year, had grown frustrated with her role amid differences with President Donald Trump over his dwindling support for Ukraine, said three people familiar with her decision.

Her looming departure will follow that of her predecessor, Bridget Brink, who resigned for similar reasons in April last year.
https://www.ft.com/content/33d5d8d4-...syn-25a6b1a6=1

Chris 30-04-2026 06:58
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And Trump won’t change his stance because sucking up to Putin is one of his great passions. We don’t *know* whether Trump was compromised by the KGB/FSB of course … but he certainly behaves as if he is.

1andrew1 08-05-2026 21:27
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A repeat of last year's three-day ceasefire.
Quote:
President Trump has announced that Russia and Ukraine have agreed to a three-day ceasefire that will cover Victory Day celebrations in Moscow on May 9.

The American-brokered truce was agreed after Russia threatened a large attack on Kyiv if Ukraine fired long-range weapons at its annual parade on Red Square.

The ceasefire will last from May 9 to May 11 and will include a large prisoner swap...

The Kremlin, spooked by a recent Ukrainian drone attack that evaded Russian air defences and struck a high-rise residential building in central Moscow, demanded a ceasefire from May 8 to May 9.

Ukraine responded by calling for a ceasefire beginning on May 6, which Russia ignored.

Following Trump’s intervention, President Zelensky confirmed that Ukraine had agreed to the three-day ceasefire and thanked the US president for negotiating the deal.
https://www.thetimes.com/world/russi...aine-scm2cctvx

Chris 08-05-2026 22:07
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36215122)
A repeat of last year's three-day ceasefire.

https://www.thetimes.com/world/russi...aine-scm2cctvx
Zelensky’s office has released some very, very specific instructions about where and when they won’t drop bombs …

https://x.com/reshetz/status/2052821564437991717?s=61

papa smurf 09-05-2026 07:29
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36214648)
And Trump won’t change his stance because sucking up to Putin is one of his great passions. We don’t *know* whether Trump was compromised by the KGB/FSB of course … but he certainly behaves as if he is.
if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck......


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