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jfman 14-07-2022 08:12
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36128244)
Yes, and that is why the Opposition will not get to power. Boris Johnson will be gone, the Conservatives will have moved on and actually started implementing the rest of their mandate, and still Labour will be bleating on about the unfairness of it all with Partygate instead of putting forward policies that people can relate to.
Ever the hopeless optimist, OB.

Maggy 14-07-2022 08:27
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/62071182

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Fact-checking three years of the outgoing prime minister's claims

During his three years he has been fact-checked regularly. Here are some of the claims that we examined when he made them (along with the articles from the time).

papa smurf 14-07-2022 09:30
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Boris is leaving there is no dignity in kicking a man when he is on the floor.

Mr K 14-07-2022 09:51
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I'm loving this, knives in the back everywhere! :D
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Lord Frost, the former Brexit chief negotiator, has told Talk TV he would have "grave reservations" about Penny Mordaunt becoming Prime Minister.

Citing his time working alongside her during the Brexit negotiations, when Mordaunt served as his junior, Lord Frost said she "wasn't fully accountable or always visible".

"To be honest, I'm quite surprised she is where she is in this race. She was my deputy - notionally more than really - in the Brexit talks last year," he said.

"I'm sorry to say this, she did not master the necessary detail in the negotiations last year. She wouldn't always deliver tough messages to the European Union when that was necessary and I'm afraid she wasn't fully accountable or always visible. Sometimes I didn't even know where she was."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...russ-badenoch/

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Boris is leaving there is no dignity in kicking a man when he is on the floor.
Usually, but in Bozzas case think its allowed ;)

1andrew1 14-07-2022 10:02
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36128244)
Yes, and that is why the Opposition will not get to power. Boris Johnson will be gone, the Conservatives will have moved on and actually started implementing the rest of their mandate, and still Labour will be bleating on about the unfairness of it all with Partygate instead of putting forward policies that people can relate to.
Starmer was criticised at the time for raising the energy price hikes and suggesting a windfall tax when he could have more easily put the boot in on Partygate. I think he knows what to focus on even if the Conservatives belatedly copy his policies in the absence of their own.

Whoever's elected will inherit a bad hand in terms of the cost of living crisis, strikes and even higher energy bills.

I don't fancy their re-election chances whoever they are.

Best for Labour that there is no general election - it's a poisoned chalice.

Chris 14-07-2022 10:13
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36128244)
Yes, and that is why the Opposition will not get to power. Boris Johnson will be gone, the Conservatives will have moved on and actually started implementing the rest of their mandate, and still Labour will be bleating on about the unfairness of it all with Partygate instead of putting forward policies that people can relate to.
You never learn.

Barely more than a week ago you were confidently asserting exactly the same thing, with the single exception of Boris still being in power. It’s as if the future will always pan out the way you wish it would, regardless of what actual facts might transpire in the meantime.

1andrew1 14-07-2022 10:17
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Boris is leaving there is no dignity in kicking a man when he is on the floor.
I would usually agree with you but I think Maggy's link will be useful for those struggling to understand why he's been effectively sacked from yet another job.

jfman 14-07-2022 10:53
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Boris is leaving there is no dignity in kicking a man when he is on the floor.
It’s a good laugh tho, innit?

Sephiroth 14-07-2022 11:26
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36128263)
It’s a good laugh tho, innit?
Well I think so, with a proviso that the next cabinet gets down to proper work. There should be a shakeout with most of the old guard removed.

In my book there's a place for Truss in her current role and Gove in a role where his ability to deliver is most effective. I would keep Wallace, of course.
The rest of the cabinet - sod 'em.

1andrew1 14-07-2022 11:59
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36128272)
Well I think so, with a proviso that the next cabinet gets down to proper work. There should be a shakeout with most of the old guard removed.

In my book there's a place for Truss in her current role and Gove in a role where his ability to deliver is most effective. I would keep Wallace, of course.
The rest of the cabinet - sod 'em.
Truss cannot be trusted and has tarnished the UK's global reputation. She's all slogans and no delivery. Like Johnson tells the Party what they want just to keep her job, however contradictory it is.

jfman 14-07-2022 12:02
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36128272)
Well I think so, with a proviso that the next cabinet gets down to proper work. There should be a shakeout with most of the old guard removed.

In my book there's a place for Truss in her current role and Gove in a role where his ability to deliver is most effective. I would keep Wallace, of course.
The rest of the cabinet - sod 'em.
Of course, it’s up to the next Government to move the country on, with their belated recognition that the economy isn’t working I’m very intrigued to hear how any plan on addressing it.

I, for one, cannot wait for the prophesied high skill, high wage economy after the largest fall in living standards since the war. In particular how any wage rises will match the current levels of purchasing power, and not simply be eroded by housing costs, energy costs, childcare costs, etc.

007stuart 14-07-2022 13:03
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I think Boris started to believe his own hype.
He did the job most elected him for, and a reasonable job in the pandemic.
In the end, he had no choice but to go, I dont see the potential replacements standing out as much better TBH,
If you define over 200000 dead reasonable.

1andrew1 14-07-2022 13:25
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If you define over 200000 dead reasonable.
Did a reasonable job in supporting his mates' PPE bids and the booze industry during the pandemic. :D

Mick 14-07-2022 16:19
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If you define over 200000 dead reasonable.
Erroneous figure.

That died with Covid, not of.

Any person dying of something, like being knocked down within 28 days of a confirmed covid result, would be included in such statistics.

True totals of persons dying of just Covid are as follows:

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Please see below for death registrations for 2020 and 2021 (provisional) that were due to COVID-19 and were recorded without any pre-existing conditions, England and Wales.

2020: 9432 (0-64: 1557 / 65 and over: 7875)

2021 Q1: 6483 (0-64: 1560/ 65 and over: 4923)

2021 Q2: 346 (0-64: 153/ 65 and over: 193)

2021 Q3: 1142 (0-64: 512/ 65 and over: 630)

Official stats from ONS.

jfman 14-07-2022 16:29
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The 28 day count doesn’t apply to the death certificates - whoever writes I it up has to have cause to record it as a factor in their death.

Julian 14-07-2022 16:35
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Suella Braverman eliminated from the candidates for next PM.

How nice of the vile rigby on sly news to refer to Kemi Badenoch as "The dark horse"

jfman 14-07-2022 16:40
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Suella Braverman eliminated from the candidates for next PM.

How nice of the vile rigby on sly news to refer to Kemi Badenoch as "The dark horse"
Oh dear. Sky are usually good at being woke too.

Mick 14-07-2022 18:04
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36128297)
The 28 day count doesn’t apply to the death certificates - whoever writes I it up has to have cause to record it as a factor in their death.
It still matters and yes the 28 day was included in statistics, it matters because 200,000 people did not just die of Covid alone, other serious mitigating factors necessitate a requirement to correct the record that significantly less people died of just COVID as per the stats from the ONS.

jfman 14-07-2022 18:30
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36128306)
It still matters and yes the 28 day was included in statistics, it matters because 200,000 people did not just die of Covid alone, other serious mitigating factors necessitate a requirement to correct the record that significantly less people died of just COVID as per the stats from the ONS.
We can agree to disagree but it’s a different metric, just as excess deaths is a different metric, suspected Covid is a different metric.

The 28 day count doesn’t relate to the death certs - even still 180,000 is the figure there.

Nobody would claim nobody has ever died of HIV or AIDS because it’s pneumonia that usually gets them or other condition arising from immunodeficiency that they wouldn’t have had without HIV/AIDS.

Minimising the impact of COVID to only those who died as a result of COVID alone is absurd - as demonstrated by the extremely low figures of such cases.

I’ll say no more on it as the level of detail is veering off topic.

007stuart 14-07-2022 18:40
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Erroneous figure
Ok let's look at the level of deaths throughout Europe with stats produced by the World Health Organisation. Only Russia has a greater number deaths recorded and you can understand why given the size of population and I think it's safe to the UK can't claim to have the second largest population size in Europe

Still think he handled the Pandemic well?

Mick 14-07-2022 18:58
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Ok let's look at the level of deaths throughout Europe with stats produced by the World Health Organisation. Only Russia has a greater number deaths recorded and you can understand why given the size of population and I think it's safe to the UK can't claim to have the second largest population size in Europe

Still think he handled the Pandemic well?
I wasn’t disputing his success or not, I was disputing the death toll of 200,000 as not a accurate figure and I stand by it, given true ONS stats show, less than 20K have died of COVID.

007stuart 14-07-2022 19:54
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36128311)
I wasn’t disputing his success or not, I was disputing the death toll of 200,000 as not a accurate figure and I stand by it, given true ONS stats show, less than 20K have died of COVID.
So what's your point?

Mick 14-07-2022 20:29
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Originally Posted by 007stuart (Post 36128315)
So what's your point?
Um, are you being deliberately obtuse? :dozey:

Your 200K Covid Death figure is erroneous, for reasons already explained.

007stuart 14-07-2022 21:29
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Show me where the stats I posted said of COVID and then justify your comment Erroneous figure.

You chose to quote stats that focus on one specific area, some people may think that you're trying deflect attention from the main point of my argument that actions taken by the government led by Boris Johnstone were not reasonable as evidenced by the figures I quoted.

Perhaps it's you that's being obtuse?

Pierre 14-07-2022 21:47
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Originally Posted by 007stuart (Post 36128322)
Show me where the stats I posted said of COVID and then justify your comment Erroneous figure.

You posted a graph that shows deaths with COVID as the cause of death on the death certificate. That is “ of COVID”. This has already been evidenced to be a highly inaccurate metric, as Mick pointed out.

It’s a matter of public record that a very high % of people with COVID on their death certificate did not die purely of COVID. There is a massive grey area. But the fact remains 200,000 is an erroneous figure.

Mick 14-07-2022 22:26
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Originally Posted by 007stuart (Post 36128322)
Show me where the stats I posted said of COVID and then justify your comment Erroneous figure.

You chose to quote stats that focus on one specific area, some people may think that you're trying deflect attention from the main point of my argument that actions taken by the government led by Boris Johnstone were not reasonable as evidenced by the figures I quoted.

Perhaps it's you that's being obtuse?
You posted a blanket statement saying “if you think 200,000 is acceptable”

200,000 have not died of Covid, this is not a specific area, it is a matter of scientific and biological principle, you cannot add a deaths tally which includes other causes linked to the deaths and just say, that amount died of covid, it’s not a factual statement, they have died with it but they had other mitigating conditions which contributed to their deaths and that these also would have been put on their death certificates.

jfman 14-07-2022 22:46
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36128324)
You posted a graph that shows deaths with COVID as the cause of death on the death certificate. That is “ of COVID”.
So neither he, nor the graph, actually said “of COVID” despite your dubious use of quotation marks?

007stuart 14-07-2022 23:03
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So you also think less than 20.000 people died of COVID, really?

Normal NHS services were effectively suspended for over 2 years for 20,000 COVID deaths? Take a moment just to think about that. Tens of thousands of routine operations cancelled because of an extra 196 deaths every week that are a result of COVID, that's what you are saying if you believe the figures previously quoted. Look at where the source data comes from for the figure I quoted, it is from the ONS. i.e. the UK Government.

Perhaps you both should take a look at this page:

https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2022/01/26/t...ly-misleading/.

Hopefully you'll realise that blindly quoting figures without doing research is a recipe for disaster.

I have proven my figures are taken from reputable sources as I did my research before posting and the article above disproves your assertion that no more than 20000 people died of COVID

Mick 15-07-2022 00:32
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Originally Posted by 007stuart (Post 36128331)
So you also think less than 20.000 people died of COVID, really?

Normal NHS services were effectively suspended for over 2 years for 20,000 COVID deaths? Take a moment just to think about that. Tens of thousands of routine operations cancelled because of an extra 196 deaths every week that are a result of COVID, that's what you are saying if you believe the figures previously quoted. Look at where the source data comes from for the figure I quoted, it is from the ONS. i.e. the UK Government.

Perhaps you both should take a look at this page:

https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2022/01/26/t...ly-misleading/.

Hopefully you'll realise that blindly quoting figures without doing research is a recipe for disaster.

I have proven my figures are taken from reputable sources as I did my research before posting and the article above disproves your assertion that no more than 20000 people died of COVID
I’m well aware of the issues in the NHS, given it’s part of the health service I work for. :rolleyes:

It does no such thing because I got my earlier figures, highlighting Covid as the one “singular cause of death”, also from ONS. So no, I didn’t just blindly follow figures, another erroneous claim from you.

You assume a lot of rubbish don’t you, I don’t think of anything less of the 20K that have died, each death is tragic, but it is a far better number than 200K, which is not a correct figure of pure COVID deaths. It is misleading to say 200K died of Covid, when they did not. They had other contributors that led to their deaths, those who died of cancer, but tested positive of covid, was a statistic added to covid deaths, even though it was the cancer which actually killed them.

TheDaddy 15-07-2022 02:19
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Before anyone falls out, I'm sure I'm not saying anything we don't already know but the easiest way to get a rough idea of the genuine figure is to check the pre covid ONS figures for deaths and compare them to now, for the record I'd say it's any where between 20k and 200k

OLD BOY 15-07-2022 07:56
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36128335)
Before anyone falls out, I'm sure I'm not saying anything we don't already know but the easiest way to get a rough idea of the genuine figure is to check the pre covid ONS figures for deaths and compare them to now, for the record I'd say it's any where between 20k and 200k
Yes, but none of these figures are straight forward. Don't forget that health reviews, operations, etc were largely suspended during Covid, and that will have contributed significantly to excess deaths.

jfman 15-07-2022 08:14
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36128347)
Yes, but none of these figures are straight forward. Don't forget that health reviews, operations, etc were largely suspended during Covid, and that will have contributed significantly to excess deaths.
Evidence?

Maggy 15-07-2022 08:15
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Let's get back to the real issue which isn't the number of Covid deaths.Mind at this point I'm not sure exactly what the topic is.;)

Ah yes Boris and his efforts as PM and what he's going to do next?

jfman 15-07-2022 08:16
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36128350)
Let's get back to the real issue which isn't the number of Covid deaths.Mind at this point I'm not sure exactly what the topic is.;)
Plenty of triumphalism with a few polishing the turd that is Johnson’s legacy. A task requiring such cognitive dissonance that simultaneously COVID doesn’t kill people but the vaccine rollout has saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

Maggy 15-07-2022 08:17
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36128351)
Plenty of triumphalism with a few polishing the turd that is Johnson’s legacy.
Should have waited ;)

Mr K 16-07-2022 10:13
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That Mordaunt has nice hair, and that's the main factor after Boris' 'hairstyle'. So she's a shoe in.
Rishi's is neat but too much brylcreem.
Truss's is very limp -poor effort.

Sephiroth 16-07-2022 10:22
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36128459)
That Mordaunt has nice hair, and that's the main factor after Boris' 'hairstyle'. So she's a shoe in.
Rishi's is neat but too much brylcreem.
It’s not Brylcreem. .

Mr K 16-07-2022 10:24
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It’s not Brylcreem. .
Natural slime then ? ;)

papa smurf 16-07-2022 10:29
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36128462)
Natural slime then ? ;)
Slither au natural

Mr K 16-07-2022 10:35
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36128463)
Slither au natural
David Icke was right about the Lizards taking over. If only we'd listened to him.

Maggy 16-07-2022 11:19
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36128459)
That Mordaunt has nice hair, and that's the main factor after Boris' 'hairstyle'. So she's a shoe in.
Rishi's is neat but too much brylcreem.
Truss's is very limp -poor effort.
Mordaunt will probably get the Armed services around here voting for her.

denphone 16-07-2022 11:51
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36128473)
Mordaunt will probably get the Armed services around here voting for her.
Not my father's vote according to him on the video link the other night.:)

TheDaddy 16-07-2022 12:49
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36128473)
Mordaunt will probably get the Armed services around here voting for her.
Makes sense considering half her time in the naval reserves was spent on the "can't commit to training" list, Tougendhat pn the other hand was in both Iraq and Afghanistan

Mr K 16-07-2022 17:25
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Bozza is true to form:-
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Boris Johnson is set to miss an emergency Cobra meeting on the UK heatwave to host a party at Chequers.

Ministers are meeting this afternoon as the UK faces deadly extreme heat over the coming days.

The Met Office is saying 40C could be on the cards next week for the first time in UK history, with temperatures set to rocket on Monday and Tuesday.
https://www.independent.co.uk/climat...-b2124607.html

Wonder if anyone has explained to him that he is still the PM and in charge of running the country? Good time for Putin to launch his nukes this evening, nothing must get in the way of Bozzas party!

Sephiroth 16-07-2022 17:50
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36128508)
Bozza is true to form:-


https://www.independent.co.uk/climat...-b2124607.html

Wonder if anyone has explained to him that he is still the PM and in charge of running the country? Good time for Putin to launch his nukes this evening, nothing must get in the way of Bozzas party!
You really do pick on unimportant detail.

Boris is now yesterday's man and the empowered ministers could prolly deal with this mini-crisis quite effectively.

You've got a stange way of visiting a pox on Boris!

Julian 16-07-2022 18:17
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Meanwhile thousands of people jet off to countries where the temperature is regularly as high as anything we are likely to see next week.

All without the need for headless chicken mode to kick in.

Mr K 16-07-2022 18:19
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36128511)
You really do pick on unimportant detail.

Boris is now yesterday's man and the empowered ministers could prolly deal with this mini-crisis quite effectively.

You've got a stange way of visiting a pox on Boris!
He's still being paid, he should still should do the job. He's not paid to have parties, no matter how much he likes them, lockdown or otherwise.
As a tax payer I'm sure you agree. He's a public sector leech.

papa smurf 16-07-2022 18:56
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36128508)
Bozza is true to form:-


https://www.independent.co.uk/climat...-b2124607.html

Wonder if anyone has explained to him that he is still the PM and in charge of running the country? Good time for Putin to launch his nukes this evening, nothing must get in the way of Bozzas party!
As i understand it Boris has deputised the now infamous slice of cake that the gutter press are so obsessed about to oversee the matter.

Paul 16-07-2022 18:59
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He's still being paid, he should still should do the job. He's not paid to have parties, no matter how much he likes them, lockdown or otherwise.
Actually, he is paid to have parties, its part of the job when meeting leaders of other countries. He also is allowed time off, like the rest of us (and like in this case).

What exactly do you think he would do at this meeting that no one else can ?
In the unlikely event a decision (only he could make) was needed, he is perfectly contactable (much as I am, its called being on call).

JFYI, it will be the second Cobra meeting Cabinet Office minister Kit Malthouse Malthouse has led on the issue.

OLD BOY 16-07-2022 19:27
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36128514)
He's still being paid, he should still should do the job. He's not paid to have parties, no matter how much he likes them, lockdown or otherwise.
As a tax payer I'm sure you agree. He's a public sector leech.
The cake was a 9-minute surprise event between meetings. Get a grip, man!

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Actually, he is paid to have parties, its part of the job when meeting leaders of other countries. He also is allowed time off, like the rest of us (and like in this case).
.
It’s just a pity that someone forgot to invite a world leader to Boris’s cake event!

Mr K 16-07-2022 19:37
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Actually, he is paid to have parties, its part of the job when meeting leaders of other countries. He also is allowed time off, like the rest of us (and like in this case).

What exactly do you think he would do at this meeting that no one else can ?
In the unlikely event a decision (only he could make) was needed, he is perfectly contactable (much as I am, its called being on call).

JFYI, it will be the second Cobra meeting Cabinet Office minister Kit Malthouse Malthouse has led on the issue.
He's not meeting foreign dignitaries today, just a bit of a piss up for his mates, on public property, at public expense. No change there. Just when a National Emergency has been declared and he should be chairing the planning meeting.

OLD BOY 16-07-2022 19:55
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36128520)
He's not meeting foreign dignitaries today, just a bit of a piss up for his mates, on public property, at public expense. No change there. Just when a National Emergency has been declared and he should be chairing the planning meeting.
No, Mr K. This is a morale boosting exercise. :D

Paul 16-07-2022 20:13
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He's not meeting foreign dignitaries today, just a bit of a piss up for his mates, on public property, at public expense. No change there. Just when a National Emergency has been declared and he should be chairing the planning meeting.
Public Property ?

Chequers : The 16th-century Buckinghamshire mansion and its 1,000-acre estate in the Chilterns were gifted a century ago to whoever holds the office of prime minister as a retreat from the bustle of Downing Street.

Public expense ?

Your source ? or perhaps you have seen the bills yourself, and know who is paying ?

I think your just bitter (more than normal) because you didnt get invited.

Damien 16-07-2022 21:32
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Chequers is public property. It's owned by the Government. Its maintenance and staffing is paid for by the Government. I think it's the same deal as No 10 where the staffing, security, maintenance and so on are paid for by the taxpayer but the food is paid for by the PM apart from official events.

tweetiepooh 18-07-2022 09:22
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Is the meeting likely to cover anything that the outgoing PM is required? We have some hot weather that isn't likely to stay that way. That is more longer term, less urgent topic best left to cabinet and those who are more able to make any immediate tweaks required now.

Mr K 18-07-2022 09:50
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36128634)
Is the meeting likely to cover anything that the outgoing PM is required? We have some hot weather that isn't likely to stay that way. That is more longer term, less urgent topic best left to cabinet and those who are more able to make any immediate tweaks required now.
It's normal for the PM to chair Cobra meeting. A National Emergency has been declared and thousands of extra deaths have been forecast. This isn't just another heatwave. He could at least take an interest.

The UK is leaderless atm, he's not doing the job he gets paid to do. Tbf he never has.

1andrew1 18-07-2022 10:14
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36128540)
Chequers is public property. It's owned by the Government. Its maintenance and staffing is paid for by the Government. I think it's the same deal as No 10 where the staffing, security, maintenance and so on are paid for by the taxpayer but the food is paid for by the PM apart from official events.
I hope nothing historical gets damaged by adult partygoers as Downing Street took a bit of a bashing during the Partygate season (better known as "lockdown" for us plebs.) ;)

OLD BOY 18-07-2022 10:23
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36128636)
It's normal for the PM to chair Cobra meeting. A National Emergency has been declared and thousands of extra deaths have been forecast. This isn't just another heatwave. He could at least take an interest.

The UK is leaderless atm, he's not doing the job he gets paid to do. Tbf he never has.
It is normal for the PM to chair Cobra meetings just as it is normal for someone else to be delegated to do them.

My word, Mr K, you have got it in for the PM, haven’t you?

Well you should be as pleased as punch that he is going, so maybe you should move on now.

Mr K 18-07-2022 10:33
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36128645)
It is normal for the PM to chair Cobra meetings just as it is normal for someone else to be delegated to do them.

My word, Mr K, you have got it in for the PM, haven’t you?

Well you should be as pleased as punch that he is going, so maybe you should move on now.
The country will be better for it OB , thought looks like his replacement will be a tax raising slime ball or an air head. Still an improvement though.

Damien 18-07-2022 11:43
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The Sky News Leadership Candidate debate has been cancelled: https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-...l-out-12654286

That's disappointing. It was great fun watching them tear chunks out of each other. It was also quite interesting to see the performances against what people expected of them.

Sunak was pretty polished and accomplished, makes sense he was the front runner. Kemi Badenoch was probably the breakout candidate, talks very well and is well suited to debating. She would be a big problem for Labour if she got the job I think. Tugendhat was good but I can't see Tory Members picking him.

I have no idea why Truss is rated so highly. I thought she performed terribly and didn't have a grasp on the issues she was talking about when challenged on them. I think Thatcher really maintains a hold on the Tory mindset that anyone who can even be vaguely compared with her - i.e a middle-aged white woman running for the leadership from the right of the party - gets an instant boost.

The worst thing for the Tories in these debates is how the candidates talk as if they're in opposition. Talking of how they can't find a dentist or the state of the economy as if they haven't in charge for 12 years is going to cause some people to throw stuff at their television.

Mr K 18-07-2022 11:55
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36128659)
The Sky News Leadership Candidate debate has been cancelled: https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-...l-out-12654286

That's disappointing. It was great fun watching them tear chunks out of each other. It was also quite interesting to see the performances against what people expected of them.

Sunak was pretty polished and accomplished, makes sense he was the front runner. Kemi Badenoch was probably the breakout candidate, talks very well and is well suited to debating. She would be a big problem for Labour if she got the job I think. Tugendhat was good but I can't see Tory Members picking him.

I have no idea why Truss is rated so highly. I thought she performed terribly and didn't have a grasp on the issues she was talking about when challenged on them. I think Thatcher really maintains a hold on the Tory mindset that anyone who can even be vaguely compared with her - i.e a middle-aged white woman running for the leadership from the right of the party - gets an instant boost.

The worst thing for the Tories in these debates is how the candidates talk as if they're in opposition. Talking of how they can't find a dentist or the state of the economy as if they haven't in charge for 12 years is going to cause some people to throw stuff at their television.
You think any of these candidates use NHS dentistry?

Its been brilliant for the opposition. Loads of ammo, to throw whoever they choose. Your Chancellor said you were a ********* in the leadership contest :D

Julian 18-07-2022 12:11
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36128661)
You think any of these candidates use NHS dentistry?

Its been brilliant for the opposition. Loads of ammo, to throw whoever they choose. Your Chancellor said you were a ********* in the leadership contest :D
Unfortunately for Britain there is no effective opposition. :rolleyes:

Maggy 18-07-2022 12:29
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36128659)
The Sky News Leadership Candidate debate has been cancelled: https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-...l-out-12654286

That's disappointing. It was great fun watching them tear chunks out of each other. It was also quite interesting to see the performances against what people expected of them.

Sunak was pretty polished and accomplished, makes sense he was the front runner. Kemi Badenoch was probably the breakout candidate, talks very well and is well suited to debating. She would be a big problem for Labour if she got the job I think. Tugendhat was good but I can't see Tory Members picking him.

I have no idea why Truss is rated so highly. I thought she performed terribly and didn't have a grasp on the issues she was talking about when challenged on them. I think Thatcher really maintains a hold on the Tory mindset that anyone who can even be vaguely compared with her - i.e a middle-aged white woman running for the leadership from the right of the party - gets an instant boost.

The worst thing for the Tories in these debates is how the candidates talk as if they're in opposition. Talking of how they can't find a dentist or the state of the economy as if they haven't in charge for 12 years is going to cause some people to throw stuff at their television.
Delighted.I have no need to be harangued about a process in which I have no input.I can't vote and it's only for a smaller portion of the electorate anyway.Why should they get preferential treatment?

GrimUpNorth 18-07-2022 12:46
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36128641)
I hope nothing historical gets damaged by adult partygoers as Downing Street took a bit of a bashing during the Partygate season (better known as "lockdown" for us plebs.) ;)
It'll be OK as long as they didn't invite the cake, as we all know the cake has still got a lot of questions to answer. When historians we look back over the last decade or so, they'll find the cake was always there in the background, quietly plotting it's next political move.

And, don't forget, one of the cakes ancestors helped bring about a revolution in France and as any brexit MP will tell you, anything a French Baba Au Rhum can do our Victoria Sponge can do better! We have been warned :shocked:.

1andrew1 18-07-2022 12:51
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36128661)
You think any of these candidates use NHS dentistry?

Its been brilliant for the opposition. Loads of ammo, to throw whoever they choose. Your Chancellor said you were a ********* in the leadership contest :D
That's why they won't be doing any more.

Mr K 18-07-2022 13:07
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36128667)
Delighted.I have no need to be harangued about a process in which I have no input.I can't vote and it's only for a smaller portion of the electorate anyway.Why should they get preferential treatment?
Why should 67,000,000 plebs get to say who runs the country? Leave it to 358 MPs, they know best, I should think.

Paul 18-07-2022 14:13
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67,000,000 ?

There are only 56 million [so called] adults in the UK.

Dave42 18-07-2022 18:10
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Best for Britain
@BestForBritain
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Boris Johnson: "I have no idea why" Labour has "insisted" on a confidence motion in the Government today

Commons Speaker Lindsay Hoyle: "It's actually the Government that has put it down for today"


he can never say one thing thats true

1andrew1 18-07-2022 18:41
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36128679)
Why should 67,000,000 plebs get to say who runs the country? Leave it to 358 MPs, they know best, I should think.
Leave it to Conservative Party members. Third time lucky! 😂

Hugh 18-07-2022 20:27
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Tom Tugendhat out of the race as Sunak still leads field

Tom Tugendhat has been knocked out of the Tory leadership race after only receiving 31 votes in the third round of the vote.

Graham Brady said 357 votes were cast in the third round of the vote.

The results for the other candidates are as follows: Kemi Badenoch received 58, Penny Mordaunt got 82, Rishi Sunak got 115 and Liz Truss received 71.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...tugendhat-live

Pierre 18-07-2022 21:44
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These debates are another unwanted US import.

Sephiroth 18-07-2022 23:47
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I'm off Mordaunt now. She went woke on Dad's Army and other BBC comedy shows that we all loved. Also she went woke with here negative views of the UK's colonial past.

So, she's off my list. I dread Truss.

1andrew1 19-07-2022 00:19
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36128733)
I'm off Mordaunt now. She went woke on Dad's Army and other BBC comedy shows that we all loved. Also she went woke with here negative views of the UK's colonial past.

So, she's off my list. I dread Truss.
Truss is a poor man's Johnson.

I reckon it's in the bag for Sunak but he's inheriting an economy burdened by the trinity of a Covid hangover, Ukraine invasion and Brexit trade friction. A thankless task but he's at least more realistic than the other chancers.

Mr K 19-07-2022 07:29
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36128733)
I'm off Mordaunt now. She went woke on Dad's Army and other BBC comedy shows that we all loved. Also she went woke with here negative views of the UK's colonial past.

So, she's off my list. I dread Truss.
Yes Dad's Army is sacrosanct, and you're right about the BBC being brilliant. I've heard nothing from any of the candidates on how they are going to improve comtemporary sitcoms. Poor.

So Sunak for you then, enjoy !

Except:-

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"hate isn't the word I'd have used, What I dislike about Sunak is threefold:

1/
His commitment to the UK is in question for reasons we all know.

2/
His personal wealth renders him disconnected from ordinary people (who know how to put petrol into a car and then pay for it).

3/
At the end of the day, he's up there with worst of the poor judgement lot. His petrol pump stunt would not have been performed by a more savvy person.
What a dilemma , if only Fabricant had run....There's no end of talent to choose from. ;)

OLD BOY 19-07-2022 07:55
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36128694)
Best for Britain
@BestForBritain
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Commons Speaker Lindsay Hoyle: "It's actually the Government that has put it down for today"


he can never say one thing thats true
You do realise that this was in response to Labour’s attempt to get a motion of no confidence in Boris Johnson, don’t you?

But yes, the Speaker’s response was very funny.

Ha, ha.

1andrew1 19-07-2022 08:21
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36128742)
What a dilemma , if only Fabricant had run....There's no end of talent to choose from. ;)
Redwood can't recommend any of the candidates so no help for Seph on that front.

It looks like we could well be getting Britain's first Asian Prime Minister so a historic moment. In part due to Cameron's successful efforts to get BAME candidates into safe seats.

Chris 19-07-2022 09:49
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Our next Prime Minister is either BAME, female, or both. All in all the supposedly nasty Tories seem to do rather well at this sort of thing. I wonder when Labour will stop lecturing the nation about equality and diversity and elect someone other than a middle class white bloke to lead it.

Sephiroth 19-07-2022 10:05
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36128744)
You do realise that this was in response to Labour’s attempt to get a motion of no confidence in Boris Johnson, don’t you?

But yes, the Speaker’s response was very funny.

Ha, ha.
At least Boris' days of meaningful lies in Parliament are now at an end.

It's a great pity that the only candidates in the PM race are vegetables.


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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36128748)
Redwood can't recommend any of the candidates so no help for Seph on that front.

It looks like we could well be getting Britain's first Asian Prime Minister so a historic moment. In part due to Cameron's successful efforts to get BAME candidates into safe seats.
My private interactions with Redwood remain private!

tweetiepooh 19-07-2022 10:09
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At least Boris generally did things in style. If you are going to be a buffoon, make mistakes do it properly. I prefer that to the normal political weasels on either side of the political divide.

1andrew1 19-07-2022 10:11
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36128760)
Our next Prime Minister is either BAME, female, or both. All in all the supposedly nasty Tories seem to do rather well at this sort of thing. I wonder when Labour will stop lecturing the nation about equality and diversity and elect someone other than a middle class white bloke to lead it.
Ironically, all the Conservatives whingeing about other organisations' woke positive discrimination are members of an organisation which under Cameron's guidance did exactly this. They have helped make Johnson's cabinet so diverse in ethnicity albeit not diverse in class.
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The next year, Cameron introduced a priority list of female and ethnic-minority candidates to be selected, many for safe Conservative seats. By the next election, the number of Conservative female MPs had risen from 17 to 49, and ethnic-minority MPs had increased from two to 11. Today, those figures stand at 87 and 22, respectively. By diversifying his party “at the top and from the top,” Katwala said, Cameron succeeded in transforming its image as a seemingly more inclusive and representative party, even if, in reality, it continued to lag behind the Labour Party in the diversity of its parliamentary caucus. In the House of Commons, more than half of Labour’s nearly 200 MPs are women and 41 are of ethnic-minority backgrounds—although Labour has so far failed to elect a woman or minority leader.
https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...ersity/670507/

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36128767)
At least Boris generally did things in style. If you are going to be a buffoon, make mistakes do it properly. I prefer that to the normal political weasels on either side of the political divide.
I prefer my buffoons to be on the small screen not heading up the country.

Sephiroth 19-07-2022 10:13
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36128768)
<SNIP>

I prefer my buffoons to be on the small screen not heading up the country.
Like on this forum?

ianch99 19-07-2022 10:18
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36128763)
At least Boris' days of meaningful lies in Parliament are now at an end.

It's a great pity that the only candidates in the PM race are vegetables.
They are vegetables as a direct consequence of reducing the political gene pool due to the mandatory qualification to be a Brexit nodding dog.

Sunak - certain to be one of the last two. Labour pick for the next GE due to being a non-dom, elite, out of touch billionaire who really wants to be an American

Truss - a mindless joke; literally nothing behind the eyes

Badenock - untrustworthy (!) She "moved to this country 30 years ago, I'm here to be honest with you" but she was born in Wimbledon. She is also supported by the facist Britain First section of the Conservative party membership - says it all really

Mourdant - the most sinister choice given one so anonymous can likely govern the country. A cos-play soldier who has one of her backers claiming she "fought for the country"

The important thing to remember is that they all:

- knew about Johnson's character when they selected him
- supported Johnson time & again when he lied
- lied about Johnson when asked if they supported & believed him

One word to remember for the next GE: "Liars"

1andrew1 19-07-2022 10:26
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36128770)
Like on this forum?
:D:D:D

Sephiroth 19-07-2022 10:30
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36128772)
They are vegetables as a direct consequence of reducing the political gene pool due to the mandatory qualification to be a Brexit nodding dog.

Sunak - certain to be one of the last two. Labour pick for the next GE due to being a non-dom, elite, out of touch billionaire who really wants to be an American

Truss - a mindless joke; literally nothing behind the eyes

Badenock - untrustworthy (!) She "moved to this country 30 years ago, I'm here to be honest with you" but she was born in Wimbledon. She is also supported by the facist Britain First section of the Conservative party membership - says it all really

Mourdant - the most sinister choice given one so anonymous can likely govern the country. A cos-play soldier who has one of her backers claiming she "fought for the country"

The important thing to remember is that they all:

- knew about Johnson's character when they selected him
- supported Johnson time & again when he lied
- lied about Johnson when asked if they supported & believed him

One word to remember for the next GE: "Liars"
It's a pity that your valid words are marred by your ideological chucking in of your Brexit remark.

Hugh 19-07-2022 10:57
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At least Boris' days of meaningful lies in Parliament are now at an end.

It's a great pity that the only candidates in the PM race are vegetables.


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My private interactions with Redwood remain private!
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1658224595

1andrew1 19-07-2022 11:25
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Meanwhile, Conservative MP Tobias Ellwood has been stripped of the whip by BoJo for missing the no-confidence motion last night. What does Ellwood say? He couldn't return from Moldova at a meeting to re-start grain exports due to unprecedented disruption.

https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1549325198297538565

Hugh 19-07-2022 11:46
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Meanwhile, Conservative MP Tobias Ellwood has been stripped of the whip by BoJo for missing the no-confidence motion last night. What does Ellwood say? He couldn't return from Moldova at a meeting to re-start grain exports due to unprecedented disruption.

https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1549325198297538565
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1658227568

ianch99 19-07-2022 12:21
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It's a pity that your valid words are marred by your ideological chucking in of your Brexit remark.
Am I wrong then? Did not a large number of good, decent, Tories get ruled out of Government due to this ideological constraint?

007stuart 19-07-2022 13:25
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Nads decides to wing it in yesterday's vote of confidence after her speech writer forgot to hand her briefing notes

https://twitter.com/i/status/1549072300003233792

Sephiroth 19-07-2022 13:32
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Am I wrong then? Did not a large number of good, decent, Tories get ruled out of Government due to this ideological constraint?
I don't think so. Boris brought only loyalists into the cabinet (and prolly the rest of the government).

ianch99 19-07-2022 14:42
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I don't think so. Boris brought only loyalists into the cabinet (and prolly the rest of the government).
I appreciate the honesty, a rare virtue at the moment

Hugh 19-07-2022 15:10
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Gove’s prediction at lunchtime

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12:26

MPs arriving to cast leadership votes

Pete Saull
Political Correspondent, BBC Westminster

As has been the case for several days now, a queue formed outside Committee Room 14 shortly before voting got under way.

Among the first to cast their ballot in this latest round is Defence Secretary Ben Wallace.

“Military punctuality”, quipped one of his colleagues.

Michael Gove also turns up early. He’s backing Kemi Badenoch, who’s currently in fourth place.

When asked if she's going to be knocked out today, Gove says, smiling, “she’s going to make it to the final two!”

Mr K 19-07-2022 15:22
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12 years of the Tories.

This is how they themselves think its going:-
https://twitter.com/i/status/1549337977704402954
Fairly honest I thought.

Paul 19-07-2022 15:53
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Well I suppose they could lie about it instead.
Then of course, you would complain even more.

Would Labour (or Liberals) really have done any better ?
The same issues would have existed (e.g. Russian Invasion, Covid).

The economic (and other) issues are worldwide, not unique to the UK.

ianch99 19-07-2022 16:57
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Crunch time: the ERG & Media power brokers behind the Truss campaign will now deploy tactics, both fair & foul to knock out Mordaunt. They are desperate to have a far right Brexit puppet in place to try and win the membership vote.

1andrew1 19-07-2022 17:29
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36128822)
Well I suppose they could lie about it instead.
Then of course, you would complain even more.

Would Labour (or Liberals) really have done any better ?
The same issues would have existed (e.g. Russian Invasion, Covid).

The economic (and other) issues are worldwide, not unique to the UK.
The economic issues are also driven by UK decisions.
eg if we'd built more power capacity to replace the coal-fired power stations we've closed down then we wouldn't be at the mercy of global energy prices and their impact on inflation and consumer spending.

denphone 19-07-2022 17:55
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36128818)
The wise money is on Truss to win in the final contest.

1andrew1 19-07-2022 18:03
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The wise money is on Truss to win in the final contest.
One clown as PM is enough, please not!

Mr K 19-07-2022 18:53
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36128838)
The wise money is on Truss to win in the final contest.
Oh jolly good. A former Lib Dem and a Remainer who is no good at public speaking and has no talent whatsoever.... The perfect choice.
(must be Sir Ks birthday !)
.

daveeb 19-07-2022 19:17
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Oh jolly good. A former Lib Dem and a Remainer who is no good at public speaking and has no talent whatsoever.... The perfect choice.
(must be Sir Ks birthday !)
.

I'm sure she's feeling confident and is out buying some more Maggie inspired fetching outfits as we speak.


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