Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

So here we are long after the witching hour and thus judgement day has now arrived and we have lost 4 channels thus from last night and what have Virgin replaced them with and the answer to that is sweet nothing and again it seems the case of Virgin taking their customer's for mugs whilst raising their prices again and again for the same or even less content whilst SKY and BT roar on with their gleaming new battleships at their disposal it seems Virgin have only one weapon at their disposal and that is the trusty old water pistol.:sniper::sniper:

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

The reason I have it is because of the BB nobody can get close to even the slowest of virgins speeds in my area, but the loss of ESPN's 4 channels is I believe a serious break of contract on Virgins part, I will be getting my business partner to look into this today as he deals with company law.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

If you aint a Sports fan it means nothing, but like yourself decidedly unhappy about losing, what, a third of our normal weekly football, with nothing as ever coming out of Virgin HQ :mad:

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

VM the tv choice of ladies. Less football and coming soon......

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

ESPN gone, no BT Sports, no new channels... :(

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

+2

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

I'm not bothered about sport, but after 13 years of glorious cable TV I have decided to give sky a go for a year. Going to keep the BB. Just want to see how the other half live, then in 12 months time they might have got their **** together and welcome me back with open arms.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Unless something happens before 6pm (or new channels are anounced later today) this is a MAJOR failing by VirginMedia! The lack of information from VM does not help either :(

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

I am honestly surprised that a company aspiring to be the best in the market has told customers NOTHING... I'm off work today so will be on the telephone trying to find out what the competitors can do.... Not happy at the loss of espn, I don't want to pay any extra so having at least some sport included was ok (ish) for me...

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

And he will just tell you it was beyond Virgins reasonable control, it's not as if they have had the choice that the channels left the service and that BT wont give them new ones. So good luck trying to take them on!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

The best person to ask about the in's and out's of contracts is Chad.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

You have literally no idea whether that's true or not, so don't make out like it is.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Virgin don't own any channels so any of them closing are beyond its control. It's not about that though. It's about whether any changes VM makes are 'significant changes' and paragraph J3 applies. To lose a set of channels which VM sold separately for £8 a month would probably count, in my view.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

I think my 17 year relationship with Blueyonder/virgin could soon be coming to an end. As I write my broadband is down again, Im a sports addict, especially the womens game, and it sadly looks like that will be gone off my TV screens. BTs first womens game is on saturday, should Virgin not have coverage by then I`ll be off. It seems like this happens every time there is a new provider.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Well folks hate to say I told you so,new channels were never on the cards,was always losing espn and after me brew and toast it's a call to vm to downgrade this poor excuse of a TV provider and believe in better .
The yanks are ruining are football clubs now there ruining our chance to watch premiership live footy and to make it worse charging the same.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Anyone spoke to BomberAF to see what happened? He seemed so sure of what was happning, did one of his insiders jump the gun to quick?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Are the 4 testing channels still there this morning?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

BomberAF is dead to me

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

No one has seen head or tail of BomberAF since his announcement and l am sure somebody will have sent a PM to him during this period.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

J3 says "any changes Virgin Media makes". Again, they have not made that decision. As as been said here multiple times and by Virgin Media themselves, you will not be able to leave your contract over the loss of ESPN

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

no doubt a wind up merchant with the false in the know garbage

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Could do with an update from RichardCoulter, he should check why there appears to be a confidentiality agreement on a contract that has never existed.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

I think you could as Virgin Media have had many opportunities to keep ESPN but have failed with poor negotiation with BT - therefore it is completely there fault in making these changes as they could have kept ESPN if agreed to BTs offer.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Or as someone said last night a schoolkid who spent the last 12 hours laughing at everyone. Saying he/she is dead to you is a bit harsh though. If it was me saying that I'd be slaughtered for saying it. Best thing to do now is put him on ignore list, he/she will soon get bored if no-one bites.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

That's not true. As channels are wholesale contract is with virgin therefore can cancel. But what date were you informed by virgin espn would be leaving is the key question

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

The internet is full of people who are "In the know" that actually know nothing. It's a look at me look at me thing, twitter being the biggest culprit

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

It is normal that all parties sign a confidentiality agreement prior to any discussions/negotiations on a major contract. I work under these type of agreements every day.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

lets see if UPC announce anything today

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

VM has made the changes Ocav. The reasoning behind their decision not to get BT Sport is utterly irrelevant.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

That's not what he said though, but nice try.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

That little troll was a skyhd customer anyway,clearly new nothing and as now crawled back under is rock:mad:

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Yes but the channel closed at the same time said wholesale agreement was up, all of this is of no choice to virgin. ESPN shut down and was transferred to a new broadcaster, the existing ESPN contract would be worth diddly-squit.

Who says BT have made an offer?

---------- Post added at 08:43 ---------- Previous post was at 08:40 ----------

No they haven't. ESPN have shut down. How is that Virgins decision?

The name ESPN has transferred to BT, therefore any existing contract for ESPN doesn't exist. Again it is not in Virgin Medias control as to whether the channel shut down.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

On the plus side, you can all go outside now - none of you have seen any sunlight in days! Take your sunblock - it's going to be a hot one!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Libertys earnings call starts at 9, will dial in and see if they have anything to say on the BT thing.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

It doesn't matter if its in their control. Jeesh.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

I hate to say told you so but this is defiantly the reason VM have phoned, mail shotted and emailed me constantly over the last 3 months so they can tie me into a new deal so I can't bugger off the day they became 3rd rate (today).

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

They do need to get their act together now and sort it out. It's bound to be £12 a month, I guess they just can't agree on who gets what out of that.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Who says BT have made an offer?[COLOR="Silver"]

Well you can't really have negotiations without an offer! Or have Virgin and BT just been sitting in room saying nothing to each other for last x months? BT would have to at least put their starting offer on the table £12 for SD and £15 for HD and discussions would have gone from there?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

BT bought the rights to ESPN therefore VM lost them. All VM would have to show is that the cost of retaining those rights or getting the channels through BT was not in their shareholders interest (a legal requirement) and they could justifiably claim the loss of the rights was outside of their reasonable control.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

You hope.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Read J3. There is nothing about it being in or out of their control.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Just logged on but its tomorrow at 9am damn!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Yer totally agree been saying that for weeks,they were telling customers only yesterday that espn was staying just to get them on new contracts or stay.disgracefull behaviour but I suppose that's how they operate in America we are now yank owned remember

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

I'm more angry with BT than Virgin over this. IMO we would have had a deal long ago if VM had just done what Sky did & added it as an extra sub for £15 a month like Boxnation. How many people would have subscribed to it though? I'd fall into the category of a mad sports fan but I wouldn't pay it. What VM are trying to do, is engineer a move whereby Virgins product (VIP/XL) offers the best deal possible to customers (better than Sky). This would also boost viewership for BT, problem is, unlike most TV operators they don't seem that worried (right now) about the lack of people watching the channel. They're more concerned with selling broadband & BT vision or whatever it's called. BT's numbers will significantly drop off next year once the people with broadband stop getting it for free. Sooner or later I think BT will come round, how long that will take is anyone's guess though, could be 2 weeks or maybe a year, possibly even longer than that!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

This is the latest from someone who has close knowledge on the in's and out's of what is happening at this present moment.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

If we and/or Virgin Media Payments:
a) increase our charges under this agreement
b) make significant changes to the services so the services you are entitled to receive in return for the charges you pay are significantly altered or reduced; or
c) make significant changes to the terms and conditions of this agreement (including the other legal stuff),

Disseminate the above and it states "If we virgin make significant changes". They are not legally making the changes and if you note they put the term "Services" in bold - nowhere in these terms to they quote content.

May or may not be fair but legally they cannot be challenged under these conditions.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Denphone - Would be nice for VM to actually come out and say something like that to its customers. HELLO... COMMS TEAM... ANYONE...

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Everything within your contract is without reasonable control. I'm sure it says at the top!

BT may not actually want Virgin to have the channels, Virgin may be putting an offer in and BT just flat out denying it!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

As I said a few days ago, I am sure VM view August the 17th as the key date rather than today. They'll leave striking a deal until as late as possible to get the best deal they can, it's what they've always done.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

OMG, :shocked:

Retensions are going to be busy today.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Thats accurate Den - my mate the Tech has got that message on his device as a message to tell customers if asked.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Eljay, are you serious?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Indeed one suspects the phone's are overheating this morning.:afire::walk:

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Are the 4 channels still testing? If so does that suggest that something is going to be launched soon or were they testing BT Sports on the assumption of a deal being done?

Personally I don't think 1 August was the absolute deadline for a deal, more like the first EPL match on 7 August(?). I'm not giving up hope just yet.

If it doesn't arrive then BT won't get any money from me and I'll use my VM broadband to stream one of those dodgy footy sites ;-)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

BomberAf last activity was yesterday at 5.09 probably watching all the carnage he created.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

The sky box and card is about to come out if the attic but is BT Spprts a 12 month contract? Ooh might have to hold fire.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

What a bad day for VM and it's customers, just proves false rumours happen!. SA, anyone, wasn't that supposed to be happening from today!.

Never thought I'd say it, but I am losing faith in VM's ability to negotiate anything. Very poor from a so called Market Leader.

Not a big sport fan myself but do appreciate this must be really frustrating for many.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Absolutely. I deal in contract law every day of my working life.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Ha! Now that I don't believe!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

The only way I can see BT Sport coming to virgin media is for everyone to pay for it like you do on Sky. I know VM are probably trying to get it free for the top pack / s but if BT play hard ball and refuse to let them do it thats there only other option

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Has anyone called up to cancel?
Did they offer you anything to stay?

?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Can anyone on sky check espn is still on,latest crap vm are saying on Facebook and twitter tha channel doesn't exist anymore

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Here is a great example of how we are all different and have different demands. VM have launched Sesame Street into the on demand channels. On DS there are comments such as


Quote - Come on Sky - play catch-up with Virgin. I'd love my daughters to watch Sesame Street whilst they're still young enough to appreciate it. I always wondered why it had been pulled from UK TV scheduling.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

If you don't like the answer then ignore it or me - but don't call me a liar on a public forum.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

ESPN still exists on Sky its now officially run by BT

But VM's line of ESPN not existing anymore isn't true because it does

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Come on lads keep it civil.:handshake

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

VM are really missing a trick, appreciate them holding out for a better price but at the end of the day they should let the customer decide.

According to reports, Premier Sports, BT Sports and Sky Atlantic* were not taken up because VMs stance on price. I would have thought that quite a few customers would have been prepared to pay extra as stand alone or even an XXL TV pack.

I think I've got to the point with VM that I feel they are always going to be handed the scraps and last in the queue for content. As much as I love Tivo and their broadband service I have to say content (in particular HD) is king. So having suffered no Sky Atlantic, over a year without ITV HD, other HD channels missing I find that losing ESPN and not getting BT Sports is the last straw for me.

But you know what really f***s me off, no statement or update from VM!!!!

* less sure about that one.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

If you really don't believe that the content VM provides comes under the provision 'Services' in the terms, then I don't believe you're up to much on the contract front.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

yes i got sky and espn on sky bt have how got espn hd to

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

I called up to cancel yesterday (although I had no intention of doing so as I had 6 months left on my current contract and can't get Sky in my flat).

I got a £15 p/m discount, reducing my TV XL, 60MB BB & weekend phone package from £63 to £48.

Personally I think people are being a bit quick to jump down Virgin's throat on this one. BT want to get as good a wholesale price as possible from Virgin. Virgin want to keep it low to hopefully include it free on XL. By not doing a deal early Virgin will have lost quite a few customers. However this puts them in a very good bargaining position with BT in the coming weeks.

BT need the extra money that Virgin will bring in, both via wholesale subscription and additional advertising revenue from the extra viewers they will get. I would be very surprised if a deal is not done within the next few weeks.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Nice one Catesby. I think a few people will be doing that

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Might I be so bold as to ask, from which University you got your law degree?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

It appears the main problem is BT don't want wholesale they want to control the sign up's them selves like there doing on Sky. If VM could get that system on cable like Sky have BT Sport would have been announced ages ago

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

If you are that sure you are right and I am wrong then there is nothing more I can say or is worth saying. Even if the subject and my knowledge of it has kept me employed for the last 35 years.

Never know maybe VM will take the moral ground rather than the legal one.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Any one know if the 4 "test" channels are still testing?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

l simply don't know as it would not show on my box.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Same here

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

At least the person who writes the channel guide has a sense of humour - I missed this as on Tivo but my friend posted this picture from V+ last night!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...8_939577_n.jpg

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Gavin-D,

Personally I think BT would not get as much money through individual sales than they would through a package deal. They would certainly get less viewers, which means less ad revenue. I doubt there's many who'd sign up for 12 months at £12p/m and if people could sign on a monthly basis they'd probably only do it for the games they wanted to watch then cancel.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

This is where i get frustrated!

I still believe we will get BT Sport before the PL starts but a very important date has passed and there is silence from VM about the issue.

99% of the time they are a pretty good all round company as far as customer service is concerned but this lets them down massively!

Apart from this is guess!

https://twitter.com/virginmedia/with_replies

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Well, it turns out that I can't get BT where I live.... No fibre optic cable!!!! So, I have to go VM or Sky, and the best BB speed Sky can offer is an estimated 2.5-4.9..... Might as well go back to dial up!!! Looks like I'm stuck on VM then..... Gutted

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Its not a degree but an HND gained at Brunel University in 1972.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

virginmedia 2m
@brtoon Hello! We're in talks with BT Sports about bringing it over to the crew :D No plans for Sky Atlantic, ^JM
Hide conversation Reply Retweet Favorite More

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

I posted tweet ages ago about no plans for SA ages ago as I told John there was no chance in hell we get that

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Looking at Virgin's Facebook page this morning, almost every post is customers complaining about BT Sport/ESPN, and the same copy and paste message in response. Working on that today must be hell :D

You'd have thought VM would have had a backup plan if they didn't get BT Sport, but since nothing new has launched they obviously didn't.

No news on UPC adding BT Sport, although on their website under premium channels the Setanta pack has disappeared since yesterday.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Well Im stuck in contract if I downgrade cheapest I can get it to is £50,and anyone hoping for any developments today regarding bt can forget it.i have been told by retentions they are not expecting any change of stance with bt today and when I asked about sky Atlantic he confirmed still in talks but like I was told over several weeks ago possibilty of autumn if in fact we do see it

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

The same old page in the book then.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

told you Den was no chance of that was more chance of snowing forever in hell

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Calm down my young padawan , all good things come to those who wait ;)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

This thread has gone beyond ridiculous. Only yesterday and after 11 hours today there have been over 50 pages of nothing besides what's NOT coming soon. God knows how many there will be at the end of the day.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Still nothing from upc.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

no

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Am i ****ed off with virgin not getting bt sport..not really,,as looking at the football that they have on in the coming months they are covering the 12,45pm slot on a Saturday dinner time i will be out then on my way to watch the team i support...there is always match of the day to catch up on the goals
for them who want to know here is bt first couple of months matches
Aug 17, 12.45 ko Liverpool v Stoke
Aug 24, 12.45 ko Fulham v Arsenal
Aug 31 12.45 ko Man City v Hull City
Sep 14 12.45 ko Man Utd v C Palace
Sep 21 12.45 ko Norwich v A Villa
Sep 28 12.45 ko Tottenham v Chelsea
Oct 5 12.45 ko Man City v Everton
Oct 19 12.45 ko Newcastle v Liverpool
Oct 26 12.45 ko C Palace v Arsenal

is it worth it for these games when sky have majority of the top class games

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

They have the Liverpool derby match,gutted !!!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

nov 23rd hopefully virgin will have bt sport by then lol

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

well bt shareholders not be happy all that money no return and losing over 4 million customers from vm

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

I'll be watching the Doctor Who 50th on that day but no doubt the 3D version will be an exclusive to Sky!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

si2008,

BT have top picks in 18 of the 38 rounds in the season. So far they have only had 5 of them. I would imagine that they'll have more appealing games in the 2nd half of the season. Sky did a good job of choosing theirs in the early games to make the BT offering look poor.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

no it not the 3D version be on vm too

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 

Well we hope bud,anything is possible now :(