Cable Forum - Coronavirus (OLD)

Perhaps use less sarcasm, jfman. I know you can, unlike one or two others.

There's an interesting debate brewing about whether or not we are turning into a "Stasi state".

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/lord-s...herings-fines/

In the discussion, it was pointed out that Sweden with no lock down and Spain (et al) with stringent lockdown was better off in statistics terms than Spain.

The discussion held out the prospect of Covid Marshals peering through windows to check on how many people they could see! Only half-ridiculous in the wider picture.

Pierre

13-09-2020 11:37

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36049815)

It wasn’t a serious suggestion. We all, or almost all, know herd immunity is a bad idea and doesn’t protect the economy.

Well according to this scientist, and former chief advisor, we already had 30-50% herd immunity, and there is no second wave coming.

Other opinions are available but he doesn’t come across as some quack that the likes of Fox News would usually wheel in.

https://youtu.be/Su0wMysBYPM

jfman

13-09-2020 11:47

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36049824)

Yet he's in direct contradiction of the current Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Advisor to the UK Government who view it as a serious risk without mitigation.

The proof will be in the pudding I suppose, not long til we find out. Cases rising and it's not simply due to testing rising according to Whitty. Maybe it's just a blip. Hopefully.

Other countries are in a second wave and Israel is into a second lockdown. Why will it be different for us?

pip08456

13-09-2020 12:29

Re: Coronavirus

Oxford Uni Professor of Evidence Based Medicine ⁦@carlheneghan recommends watching this video.

jfman

13-09-2020 12:34

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36049835)

Oxford Uni Professor of Evidence Based Medicine ⁦@carlheneghan recommends watching this video.

Started watching, got bored. Let me guess open everything back up and we will be fine because someone manipulated a couple of graphs and selectively compared sets of data that aren't directly comparable with each other?

Carth

13-09-2020 12:52

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Fer gawds sake, don't open the can of worms that is "manipulated graphs and selectively compared sets of data"

People will be accusing the media of bias next :D

Mad Max

13-09-2020 13:31

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36049839)

Fer gawds sake, don't open the can of worms that is "manipulated graphs and selectively compared sets of data"

People will be accusing the media of bias next :D

:D:D

Taf	13-09-2020 13:43

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Masks to be a legal requirement to enter shops and indoor public areas in Wales as of tomorrow. The Labour-led Welsh assembly has been dragging its feet over this for several weeks.

And, as expected, local forums are filled to the brim with anti-maskers spouting the crazy conspiracy theories they have accepted as fact from "internet sources".

Forum moderators are stripping their posts and banning those that repost after warnings, but they just push another of their ilk to post the same idiocy.

Hugh	13-09-2020 14:44

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36049822)

Perhaps use less sarcasm, jfman. I know you can, unlike one or two others.

There's an interesting debate brewing about whether or not we are turning into a "Stasi state".

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/lord-s...herings-fines/

In the discussion, it was pointed out that Sweden with no lock down and Spain (et al) with stringent lockdown was better off in statistics terms than Spain.

The discussion held out the prospect of Covid Marshals peering through windows to check on how many people they could see! Only half-ridiculous in the wider picture.

that’s hyperbolics, up there with "subjugation" and "enslavement" (not things you’ve said, but others have).

I lived in West Berlin for 3 years at the height of the Cold War, and saw what a "Stasi state" was - use of terms like this in the article just use emotive hyperbolic statements to inflame passion and cause anger, thus making rational debate about real issues difficult.

Sephiroth

13-09-2020 15:27

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36049854)

Yes I agree it’s hyperbole. But it frames a scene succinctly. With the brains on this forum, I don’t see that framing as inflaming passion, etc.

nomadking

13-09-2020 15:36

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All the restrictions should be considered the same as if there was a severe storm going on. People cover themselves up in cold or bad weather, so what is the real problem? People find themselves locked in by bad weather, eg "Beast from the East" of 2018, so again what is the real difference? It may be lasting long, but that is all. The longer people flaunt the restrictions, the longer the whole thing will go on for.

Kushan

13-09-2020 19:15

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Has anyone linked this discussion point yet? I think it's rather interesting: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-h...y-researchers/

Quote:

Face masks may be inadvertently giving people Covid-19 immunity and making them get less sick from the virus, academics have suggested in one of the most respected medical journals in the world.

The commentary, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, advances the unproven but promising theory that universal face mask wearing might be helping to reduce the severity of the virus and ensuring that a greater proportion of new infections are asymptomatic.

TL;DR - Wearing a mask and having others around you wear masks seems to be granting people immunity to the virus by minimising exposure to it.

Completely unproven at this point, of course, but yet another good reason to wear a mask.

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