Cable Forum - Brexit (Old)

Yes there was plenty of information, information that was half true or totally false along with the other information that was true. People had a vote based on that, it's not undemocratic to want a second referendum based on what we now know..

What do we know now, that we didn’t before the referendum, that would have fundamentally changed how people may have voted?

Sephiroth

22-12-2018 09:24

Re: Brexit

Which ever way the Remainers try to cut it, they are desperate to overturn a valid referendum result. They play the ‘democracy’ card with only one aim - reverse Brexit. They pretend to be reasonable by conceding that a Leave result will decide the matter.

They conveniently forget that a Remain result could not have led to a 2nd referendum as nothing would have changed bar a few new EU laws.

Perversely, the ‘what we know now’ information is based around how awkward and perfidious the EU has shown itself to be. Yet the Remainers want to stay in bed with Macron (who has threatened us), Merkel (who represents a hegemonist regime), Juncker (arch federalist) and Italy (the country likely to drag the edifice into semolina).

The Remainers in this thread never properly address the points I’ve made in the previous paragraph other than to mock me for reminding you that the EU is run for the benefit of hegemonist Germany and its running dog France. They would just rather chug along being dominated by Germany and France. Shameful.

arcimedes

22-12-2018 09:32

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35976510)

The Remainers in this thread never properly address the points I’ve made in the previous paragraph other than to mock me for reminding you that the EU is run for the benefit of hegemonist Germany and its running dog France. They would just rather chug along being dominated by Germany and France. Shameful.

Well given the choice between May or Corbyn even the Italians would be infinately better

Hugh	22-12-2018 09:33

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35976483)

I have long criticised the EU's anti-competitive Working Time Directive, which was rammed through by France under qualified majority Health & Safety banner. And now it's rearing its ugly head again.

CMS Law Now has reported that employees who receive e-mails and calls in the evenings / weekends and during holidays carry the risk that employees are "always online" in violation of working time regulations.

How stupid such unintended consequences are. We need to leave on a No Deal basis. They are terrified of that because we can institute policies, without reducing workers' rights, that make us more competitive.

Nothing says "freedom" like being made to be available by your employers out of normal working hours, especially in these days of ever-increasing work-related stress.

"Boo hiss" to those who want people to have a reasonable work/life balance, the nasty bar-stewards...

Mr K	22-12-2018 10:14

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35976512)

You're getting a bit socialist these days Hugh, there's a Liberal Democrat in there somewhere ;)

Angua

22-12-2018 10:47

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35976485)

If this country doesn't get away from 'winners' and 'losers' and realise at the end of the day then we're all on the same side, then we're doomed. Having a divided country will be even more disastrous when we're standing alone in the World.

Some will only be happy when we are all on the losing side, isolated and overwhelmed by the likes of China, USA and Russia. Rather than being part of the EU where there is strength in numbers.

Mr K	22-12-2018 10:53

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35976526)

Some will only be happy when we are all on the losing side, isolated and overwhelmed by the likes of China, USA and Russia. Rather than being part of the EU where there is strength in numbers.

Now then , you're talking common sense, no need for that on this thread !

nomadking

22-12-2018 11:08

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35976512)

You're totally missing the point. The fact of the matter is that it should be the UK that decides UK matters. Especially when we are supposed to have already been told in the Maastricht Treaty that we didn't have to follow the EU rules on these matters. Let's face it, if it was that beneficial to business, they wouldn't force it upon us. The EU is constantly going on about "levelling the playing field". IE No EU country is allowed to have an advantage over France and Germany. No surprise that Germany had working hours limits before the Treaty imposed them on most other EU countries.

If working hours is a health and safety issue, then that should include what you can and cannot do outside working hours. Eg Little point in having a working hours limit if the person also does another job or hobby that isn't resting. What would have the biggest impact on H&S, working 50 hours in a week, or going out each night till the early hours at a club(or whatever) and drinking heavily and/or taking drugs?

Angua

22-12-2018 11:53

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35976516)

You're getting a bit socialist these days Hugh, there's a Liberal Democrat in there somewhere ;)

Corbyn's stance on Brexit should put a stop to that. ;)

1andrew1

22-12-2018 13:11

Re: Brexit

No surprise where JC has parked his car. Next to Putin's tank and BoJo's bicycle.

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Jeremy Corbyn has vowed Brexit will still go ahead even if the Labour Party wins a snap election in the new year.
There is pressure from Remainers within his own party to back a second referendum on the terms of the UK's withdrawal deal with Brussels.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...still-13766113

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35976516)

You're getting a bit socialist these days Hugh, there's a Liberal Democrat in there somewhere ;)

I wondered where the Liberal Democrats were hiding. ;)

Sephiroth

22-12-2018 13:18

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35976512)

You invented the notion that the employees are made to be available outside working hours. People just leave their corporate mobiles on and react, sometimes, if they receive an email or something. And now that is mooted as a breach of an EU regulation made to suit the French way of working.

You're just being contrary for the sake of it.

Mythica

22-12-2018 13:32

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35976509)

What do we know now, that we didn’t before the referendum, that would have fundamentally changed how people may have voted?

If you need to ask that then I don't believe this topic I or you.

Sephiroth

22-12-2018 13:41

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 35976549)

If you need to ask that then I don't believe this topic I or you.

Not very cleverly dodged.

djfunkdup

22-12-2018 13:53

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35976551)

Not very cleverly dodged.

+1

It's just the usual remainer nonsense bollocks init ;)

Mythica

22-12-2018 14:05

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35976551)

Not very cleverly dodged.

I'm not answering a question that people should already know or if they don't a quick Google should help. It's been widely reported on many times and I don't want to get drawn into an argument over it. My original point still stands. This isn't a game to me, there is no winners or losers but a second referendum based on what we know now is not anti-democratic. That goes for people who voted leave or remain.

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