Cable Forum - UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

Well let’s be honest it is a premium feature. In the old regime the additional costs of providing service in foreign countries on third party networks have to be spread across the bills of all users whether or not they travel overseas. That’s an especially raw deal for people on a tight budget who choose a budget mobile operator for basic services. The EU’s roaming charges directive was always about creating the illusion of a single territory, building on the principles of free movement and the single market. The reality is that all of us have been paying for the convenience of the few.

I would be interested in how much it actually costs networks as opposed to it being easy profit before. Part of the arrangements are reciprocal, our networks piggyback of theirs but then visitors to the UK piggyback of our networks in return. Even if the networks end up paying EU operators they will be then getting payments themselves.

Also, most major networks own European networks too. Vodaphone are global yet used to charge absurd rates to use the same company's networks abroad. O2 are owned by a Spanish operator, Telefónica, who also own other networks in EU nations.

It may be different in some countries which have less developed mobile networks and/or cover more rural communities where the costs become a lot higher but the EU at least has advanced and similar network capabilities.

Anyway, I don't mind it being a premium feature if I get a proper implementation of it. Three used to throttle my connection down to be near unusable whereas on EE I can stream, download and even tether my laptop and get a proper connection.

1andrew1

29-12-2020 13:40

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I imagine mobile providers' costs are pretty fixed with marginal costs going up in steps when additional capacity is needed.

I think the issues include the fact that mobile networks don't operate 100% owned subsidiaries in every country. Many networks like T-Mobile, Telefonica O2 and Vodafone have focused their investments in fewer countries and formed joint ventures or sold their assets in certain countries instead. Even in countries like Australia, Vodafone only own half of their local affiliate and O2 in Slovakia and the Czech Republic are no longer owned by Telefonica.

Pierre

29-12-2020 14:47

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36064090)

A non doom & gloom laden bit of news.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...u-roaming.html

Of course they haven’t and the first one that does automatically puts themselves at a reputational disadvantage.

Damien

29-12-2020 15:10

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The ERG's **** STAR CHAMBER **** are happy:

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NEW: Group of Brexiteer MPs/ "Star Chamber" lawyers led by Sir Bill Cash conclude that the PMs Brexit deal "preserves the UK’s sovereignty as a matter
of law and fully respects the norms of international sovereign-to-sovereign treaties"

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/12/1.jpg

TheDaddy

29-12-2020 18:22

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36064123)

The ERG's **** STAR CHAMBER **** are happy:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/12/1.jpg

Who gives a toss what they think or if they're happy, actually come to think of it why would they give their crappy group the name of court synonymous with disregarding the most basic of human rights

jfman

29-12-2020 18:47

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36064072)

Well if the SNP conspired with others to disable the steering wheel, that doesn't let them off the hook when the bus crashes.

Their voters won't see it that way.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36064121)

Of course they haven’t and the first one that does automatically puts themselves at a reputational disadvantage.

They do indeed, but the likelihood will be that if there increased costs they will just absorb them across the price plans of the entire customer base.

I do say "if" of course as the owners of networks are often work across borders. So while Vodafone or Telefonica might be well placed in countries where they have a presence not all networks and all countries will be in the same boat.

mrmistoffelees

29-12-2020 19:24

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£6 per day to use Vodafone allowance in Turkey, US & the Far East

I’m glad work pick up my bill

Sephiroth

29-12-2020 22:14

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55479354

The British Sausage is in trouble!

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UK sausage makers face EU export ban

gba93

29-12-2020 22:29

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36064191)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55479354

The British Sausage is in trouble!

Shades of Yes, Minister and the Euro-Sausage :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzeDZtx3wUw

Chris

29-12-2020 22:46

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Seemingly we’re the only ones exporting raw sausages and other raw processed meats. I imagine it’s the sort of thing the EU would have liked to have banned and we’ve solved the problem for them by leaving.

There are solutions - the sausages can be exported frozen (which is safer anyway) or cooked.

Sephiroth

30-12-2020 10:11

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I recall having an "English" breakfast in Sydney some time ago. The waitress asked me how I enjoyed the breakfast; I replied first class except for the sausages. Upon her enquiry I replied that the sausages contained too much meat.
She duly replied calling me a "whinging Pom".

When I worked for 3 years in Poland, I brought a pack of British sausages in with me and served them up to my team together with milked tea ("herbata po Angielsku).
They loved it.

The French, who are quirky - they understand. The Germans are clueless about British gastronomic preferences having lost their past understanding of the British Kipper, preferring to process herring in a totally different way.

In Kaiserslautern in the Rhineland, the Kipper-Hof is the nearest I can find to the word "Kipper" in German gastronomy. Other than that, "Kipper" is an entiorely British affair. Smoked Herring in the EU doesn't taste a jot like Kippers.

But Kippers, being cured unlike the raw British sausage, no doubt can be exported to the EU as an example of British gastronomic elegance.

1andrew1

30-12-2020 10:28

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I can't see an obvious solution to this.

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Brexit paperwork threatens Scotland’s luxury seafood business

Last week’s long-awaited Brexit deal spared UK seafood exporters from potentially crippling tariffs on shipments to the EU, but on the banks of Scotland’s scenic Loch Fyne, Jamie McMillan is hardly celebrating.

From Friday, new paperwork required because of Brexit threatens to throw a wrench into the finely tuned export logistics system that Mr McMillan, managing director of Lochfyne Langoustines, relies on to get his live langoustines and brown crabs to high-paying customers across Europe.

The need for export health certificates costing up to £95 for every consignment and the potential for border delays threatens the survival of the family business that employs 22 people around the Argyll village of Tarbert, Mr McMillan said.

“There’s been a deal, but it doesn’t matter . . . We are still going to be faced with health certificate costs, increased paperwork costs and possible delays at the border,” he said.

“I don’t know if I will be in business by the 14 January . . . we are on the brink.”

Elsewhere in the article:
- New procedures likely to increase costs by 20%
- Checks will add an hour to travel time to the crucial trading market of Boulogne-sur-Mer. This is on top of any unknown delays in the English channel
- UK is postponing health check on imports rom the EU for six months but recipocitry has not been negotiated despite pleas from 11 industry groups.
https://www.ft.com/content/f53b8b14-...f-14fde1e50865

Hom3r

30-12-2020 10:59

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That idiot Ian Blackford needs gagging, can he say anything without whining on and on and on and on, about independence?

As pointed out, but he still doesn't get it that if Scotland left the Union and somehow manage to get into the EU they would have even less fishing rights than they will have from Friday.

Damien

30-12-2020 11:20

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36064232)

People keep getting English breakfasts wrong. They don't understand part of the appeal is grease and dodgy sausages.

Sephiroth

30-12-2020 11:22

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36064240)

Much as I disagree with Blackford's politics, I thought it was a skilfully crafted speech well delivered.

Of course his hypocrisy about fishing quotas does stand out. But it was nevertheless worth hearing.

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