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Sephiroth 27-12-2020 23:15
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36063929)
I think our lack of preparations until too late in the day suggested that no deal was not really on the menu. The tinkering with the NI treaty may well have been an attempt to sow some doubts here.

What to me will be fascinating is what happens next. Certainly, in any disputes with the EU on the level playing front, any action the EU takes will have a far bigger impact on the UK than the other way round. Equally sovereign should not be confused with equally powerful.
Still nay-saying, I see. I explained about the light-bulb moment when I introduced the Sunday Times article. Had that not occurred, there would have been no deal.

1andrew1 27-12-2020 23:17
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Something to improve upon?
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Brexit outrage as New Zealand farmers will have to go through LESS red tape to sell lamb

BRITISH farmers will have to go through more red tape to sell lamb to European markets than New Zealand ones, it has emerged.

...
As usual, though, the devil is in the detail and in the full text of the trade deal published on Saturday morning, it has emerged that New Zealand farmers will have to go through less red tape than Britain, as there is no "equivalence" agreement.

BBC Economics editor Faisal Islam wrote on Twitter: "The food industry, already smarting from events, says the lack of equivalence for Great Britain's agri-food / Sanitary and Phytosanitary Measures (SPS) is problematic.

"As it stands they say 'New Zealand has a closer relationship on SPS with the EU than Britain from January 1' with an agreement that limits checks (1 percent) and simplifies paperwork."

Sharing his frustration, a Twitter user wrote: "British farmers now have more red tape to sell lamb to the EU than New Zealand farmers do.

"We’ve put up a border within the UK. We’ve made ourselves poorer and weaker.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...ealand-sps-spt

Sephiroth 27-12-2020 23:48
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36063932)
Are you sure about this, Andrew?

If you read Article 4 (Import and placing on the market) in conjunction with Appendices A, B, C & D (page 511) you'll see the equivalences and these include organic live animals and unprocessed animal products.

Am I right?

1andrew1 28-12-2020 00:24
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36063933)
Are you sure about this, Andrew?

If you read Article 4 (Import and placing on the market) in conjunction with Appendices A, B, C & D (page 511) you'll see the equivalences and these include organic live animals and unprocessed animal products.

Am I right?
Not my research, but that of the food sector. Faisal has tweeted this and no one has contradicted him:

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Lastly food industry, already smarting from events, say lack of equivalence for GB agrifood/ SPS problematic as it stands they say “New Zealand has a closer relationship on SPS with the EU than GB from Jan 1” with an agreement that limits checks (1%) & simplifies paperwork
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/stat...40990239256576

This apparently is the extra red tape. https://www.brexit.gouv.fr/files/liv...a%20France.pdf

OLD BOY 28-12-2020 10:48
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36063932)
Even if this is true, NZ must have to pay considerably more in travel costs. Isn't this related in some way to your proximity argument as to why the EU should apply different conditions to their next door neighbours?

1andrew1 28-12-2020 11:04
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36063947)
Even if this is true, NZ must have to pay considerably more in travel costs. Isn't this related in some way to your proximity argument as to why the EU should apply different conditions to their next door neighbours?
Agreed.

It's frustrating that Faisal Islam's tweet is a bit vague on the source:

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Lastly food industry, already smarting from events, say lack of equivalence for GB agrifood/SPS problematic as it stands
Who in the food industry is saying this?

papa smurf 28-12-2020 11:13
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36063950)
Agreed.

It's frustrating that Faisal Islam's tweet is a bit vague on the source:



Who in the food industry is saying this?
Er is it Remainers:)

papa smurf 28-12-2020 13:23
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Brexit: EU nations unanimously approve deal https://news.sky.com/story/britons-w...-deal-12173984

Hugh 28-12-2020 13:35
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36063963)
Brexit: EU nations unanimously approve deal https://news.sky.com/story/britons-w...-deal-12173984
You accidently missed off the rest of the headline...

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as Britons warned over travel insurance, charges and exports

papa smurf 28-12-2020 13:52
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36063965)
You accidently missed off the rest of the headline...
It was no accident,the information has no relevance to the EU 27 agreeing to the agreement.

Once the link is opened the headline is there for all to see, looks like another failed got ya moment;)

Try this one
Brexit LIVE: EU nations unanimously approve Brexit deal - MPs to vote on Wed as SNP rebel
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...johnson-update


Meanwhile

Westminster fire: Firefighters scramble to Houses of Parliament - smoke rises above London

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...-latest-update

heero_yuy 28-12-2020 14:05
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Westminster fire: Firefighters scramble to Houses of Parliament - smoke rises above London

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...-latest-update
Remainers dreams going up in flames. :D

papa smurf 28-12-2020 14:13
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36063972)
Remainers dreams going up in flames. :D
They'll try anything to stop the vote on wed:)



It's ok it's been covered up

In an official statement, the fire brigade confirmed there had been no fire today.

Instead, they revealed it had been smoke caused by a generator.

1andrew1 28-12-2020 15:29
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Remainers dreams going up in flames. :D
We left the EU this year. Time to move on.

Sephiroth 28-12-2020 15:40
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36063978)
We left the EU this year. Time to move on.
Hardly. Those idiot Lib Dem MPs are set to vote against the deal. Plus, of course, those lunatic Scottish Nats.

jfman 28-12-2020 15:53
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36063980)
Hardly. Those idiot Lib Dem MPs are set to vote against the deal. Plus, of course, those lunatic Scottish Nats.
Nobody is obliged to back it. The Government have enough votes. It’s a Tory deal, negotiated by Tories for Tories. Hopefully it resolves the schism in their party and they can get on with sorting out the rest of the problems we face.


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