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Mr K 22-04-2023 09:03
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First it was the EU, then the BBC, then the last Govt, then remainers , then the NHS and now Civil Servants.

The Govt is running out of others to blame for the shambles this country is in.

12 years of failure.

Hugh 22-04-2023 09:07
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I think these comments from a couple of Ministers in today’s Times summed it up.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9...47097bf07c0a4f

Quote:
However, a cabinet minister said he had brought it on himself by being “too much of the alpha male, too little empathy”. “This notion that it’s a conspiracy and that everyone will claim bullying is ridiculous,” the minister said. “In the end the flaws are on his side. Most good ministers should be completely comfortable. I’m not nervous at all. If you behave decently you shouldn’t be criticised like that.”

Another minister said Raab had messed up by failing to realise the power he wielded and the scrutiny he faced. “If you’re a minister you’re going to be under intense scrutiny, you have immense power and people are going to fear you, the only way to conduct yourself is with absolute goodwill and courtesy,” the minister said.

“We should be treating people with courtesy and respect and we shouldn’t be asking for sympathy if we don’t.”

For Raab, a martial arts black belt, “everything is karate”, the minister said. “He’s treated civil servants like karate opponents in the ring.”

Chris 22-04-2023 09:17
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36150313)
I think these comments from a couple of Ministers in today’s Times summed it up.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9...47097bf07c0a4f
Be nice to people, don’t be a d*ck. Whodathunkit. Not Raab, apparently …

1andrew1 23-04-2023 08:37
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36150307)
Dozens, indeed hundreds of Conservative ministers have led departments over the vast majority over the last 40 years without much incident. Raab, and Patel, are the outliers here. Not civil servants who have served Conservative ministers for the vast majority (or indeed, perhaps all) of their careers.
This is the essence of the issue.

TheDaddy 23-04-2023 14:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36150312)
First it was the EU, then the BBC, then the last Govt, then remainers , then the NHS and now Civil Servants.

The Govt is running out of others to blame for the shambles this country is in.

12 years of failure.
They're trying to blame the victims, it's pathetic, much the same as when they try and excuse it by saying he's only a bit of a bully, bit of a racist, bit corrupt because not all the charges are found guilty, broke the rules a bit, broke the law a bit

GrimUpNorth 23-04-2023 21:16
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36150410)
They're trying to blame the victims, it's pathetic, much the same as when they try and excuse it by saying he's only a bit of a bully, bit of a racist, bit corrupt because not all the charges are found guilty, broke the rules a bit, broke the law a bit
Well he looks so gormless I'm surprised he was even capable of being a little bit guilty.

Hugh 25-04-2023 20:45
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https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www....itional-roots/

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Time Britain returned to its traditional roots

Decline is not inevitable. National conservatism could set us on a path to post-Brexit prosperity

DAVID FROST JACOB REES-MOGG

Next month the first National Conservatism Conference in the UK will take place in London. We will both be speaking, alongside a wide range of conservative scholars, commentators and other politicians, including two current Cabinet ministers. We are doing so because we are excited to contribute to the development of a movement that can bring new life to our conservative traditions in Britain and new energy for the challenges ahead.

What is the NatCon movement? At its heart, it is a belief in the nation state and the principle of national independence.
NatCon?

Mmmmm - I can see that being shortened to NatC… ;)

jfman 26-04-2023 10:33
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65308769

The race to the bottom continues for Britain on its journey towards a failed state. Just accept you are poorer, people! Please don’t blame 40 years of failed macroeconomic policies. Enjoy your 90p bag of rice.

ianch99 26-04-2023 11:00
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36150609)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65308769

The race to the bottom continues for Britain on its journey towards a failed state. Just accept you are poorer, people! Please don’t blame 40 years of failed macroeconomic policies. Enjoy your 90p bag of rice.
But ... small boats! :D

Sephiroth 26-04-2023 11:32
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36150612)
But ... small boats! :D
These people on small b oats have no right to be in the UK, especially when they're already in a safe country (that they also have no right to be in).

1. Mainly fit young men;
2. They throw away their documentation;
3. They throw away their mobile phones;
4. They thus intend deceiving the authorities;
5. We don't know who they are;
6. They get 4 star accommodation &d immediate access to medical facilities.

My family have paid into the system for decades yet my young grand daughter cannot get a blood test for four months and has to live with here headache.

Your sarcastic joke is in extremely poor taste.

jfman 26-04-2023 11:41
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I doubt there are four months worth of small boat refugees in the queue in front of her, so that’s a red herring.

What is perhaps a far greater factor is the chronic underinvestment that underpins many aspect of public life in the UK. The health service. Water infrastructure. Rail. Digital infrastructure. If profits can’t be extracted - and sometimes offshored - in this country it doesn’t happen.

The family silver has been plundered. All that’s left is to extract the wealth of citizens through further privatisation and price hikes.

ianch99 26-04-2023 13:01
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36150617)
These people on small b oats have no right to be in the UK, especially when they're already in a safe country (that they also have no right to be in).

1. Mainly fit young men;
2. They throw away their documentation;
3. They throw away their mobile phones;
4. They thus intend deceiving the authorities;
5. We don't know who they are;
6. They get 4 star accommodation &d immediate access to medical facilities.

My family have paid into the system for decades yet my young grand daughter cannot get a blood test for four months and has to live with here headache.

Your sarcastic joke is in extremely poor taste.
You know I really thought that you were smarter than this. The clickbait triggers pushed out (small boats, culture wars, etc.) are designed to deflect from the reality of the state the country in it. It is the latter, not the former, that is the cause of the reasons that your grand daughter cannot get a blood test for four months.

The cause of the broken country we now have? The party you belong to and vote for, not those who have no legal route to seek asylum in this country.

Sephiroth 26-04-2023 13:13
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36150627)
You know I really thought that you were smarter than this. The clickbait triggers pushed out (small boats, culture wars, etc.) are designed to deflect from the reality of the state the country in it. It is the latter, not the former, that is the cause of the reasons that your grand daughter cannot get a blood test for four months.

The cause of the broken country we now have? The party you belong to and vote for, not those who have no legal route to seek asylum in this country.
Not at all. You know what I think of the state of the country and how my government has totally let us down.

I'm on about the sheer unfairness of there being a top medical service for illegal immigrants and a rubbish NHS for my grand daughter.

Hugh 26-04-2023 13:18
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"top medical service"

Citation, please?

btw, sad to see you parroting the CCHQ line about "illegal immigrants" - under current U.K. and International law, they are not illegal.

daveeb 26-04-2023 13:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36150629)
"top medical service"

Citation, please?

btw, sad to see you parroting the CCHQ line about "illegal immigrants" - under current U.K. and International law, they are not illegal.
My thoughts exactly. Perhaps they have a crack team of highly qualified clinicians living onsite ready to attend to any medical issues. :rolleyes:


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