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downquark1 15-03-2020 12:02
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36027394)
The implication is there because otherwise how long are you expecting the elderly to self-isolate? Six months, a year , two years etc.
In the absence of a vaccine the plan will be to have 60 to 70% of under 50s get the virus at the rate the NHS can deal with complications (which there will be).

They will be aiming for a fast but controlled burn.

nomadking 15-03-2020 12:08
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36027395)
In the absence of a vaccine the plan will be to have 60 to 70% of under 50s get the virus at the rate the NHS can deal with complications (which there will be).

They will be aiming for a fast but controlled burn.
So "fast" and "quickly" don't mean the same thing?

papa smurf 15-03-2020 12:15
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36027394)
The implication is there because otherwise how long are you expecting the elderly to self-isolate? Six months, a year , two years etc.
Imprisonment in your own home for the crime of being old,yes that sounds like a winner to me,also these months/ years may well be all the lifetime these people have left, i can't imagine anyone agreeing to this.

Hugh 15-03-2020 12:39
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36027394)
The implication is there because otherwise how long are you expecting the elderly to self-isolate? Six months, a year , two years etc.
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36027399)
Imprisonment in your own home for the crime of being old,yes that sounds like a winner to me,also these months/ years may well be all the lifetime these people have left, i can't imagine anyone agreeing to this.
When the alternative is being infected and a higher probability of dying, it may seem a reasonable option - it is, of course, up to them...

downquark1 15-03-2020 12:43
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36027399)
Imprisonment in your own home for the crime of being old,yes that sounds like a winner to me,also these months/ years may well be all the lifetime these people have left, i can't imagine anyone agreeing to this.
It's worse than that I'm afraid, you are being imprisoned for the crimes of the Chinese and Western officials who covered up this issue until it got this bad. And they won't get punished.

denphone 15-03-2020 12:43
Re: Coronavirus
 
THE UK Government is preparing to introduce a package of emergency laws which would give police the power to detain infected people.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18...laws-outbreak/


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The laws, which aim to limit the spread of the virus, will be brought in after the number of confirmed cases in the UK rose by 200 in 24 hours, according to documents seen by The Times.

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The powers, which would last for two years, would also allow councils lower standards in care homes in efforts to deal with staff shortages.

RichardCoulter 15-03-2020 13:49
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36027394)
The implication is there because otherwise how long are you expecting the elderly to self-isolate? Six months, a year , two years etc.
I was told I must self isolate for at least four months.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36027399)
Imprisonment in your own home for the crime of being old,yes that sounds like a winner to me,also these months/ years may well be all the lifetime these people have left,i can't imagine anyone agreeing to this.
When the government pass these emergency laws, it won't matter if people agree to it or not, note the word 'instructed' not 'asked'.

There's been talk of using the police and the army to ensure compliance.

pip08456 15-03-2020 14:04
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36027405)
I was told I must self isolate for at least four months.

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When the government pass these emergency laws, it won't matter if people agree to it or not, note the word 'instructed' not 'asked'.

There's been talk of using the police and the army to ensure compliance.
I think Dr Michael Head of Southampton university puts it well.

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Significant disruptions need high population compliance. People already can’t be trusted to buy toilet roll properly.

nomadking 15-03-2020 14:15
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36027405)
I was told I must self isolate for at least four months.

---------- Post added at 13:49 ---------- Previous post was at 13:46 ----------



When the government pass these emergency laws, it won't matter if people agree to it or not, note the word 'instructed' not 'asked'.

There's been talk of using the police and the army to ensure compliance.
You seem to be the only one using the word "instruct".
Link

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Mr Hancock declined to give details of when the over-70s would be asked to self-isolate or how long the advice would last, saying: "We want to be ready to say that when we judge, based on the scientific advice, that the time has come."
"We know that when you ask people to do this sort of thing that they can tire of it, it also has negative impacts," he added.
...
So officials will ask those at most risk of developing severe illness to stay at home.
They believe if they get the timing right and people adhere to it the move could reduce the number of deaths by up to a third.
The compliance aspect is aimed at those WITH the virus.

RichardCoulter 15-03-2020 14:20
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36027408)
You seem to be the only one using the word "instruct".
Link
The word 'instruct' was used by Robert Peston, ITV Political Editor, after his interview with the government.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-14/...__NxjyiWCEVesk

Mick 15-03-2020 14:23
Re: Coronavirus
 
This guy in this video explains in laymen terms why the government is doing things different to other countries...

nomadking 15-03-2020 14:24
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36027409)
The word 'instruct' was used by Robert Peston, ITV Political Editor, after his interview with the government.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-14/...__NxjyiWCEVesk
So nothing official then.

RichardCoulter 15-03-2020 14:27
Re: Coronavirus
 
Sainsburys U turn:

Just received an email from the Sainsburys CEO. They've now scrapped their policy of letting people buy what they want and have put restrictions in place in line with the other supermarkets.

He also makes a plea for everyone to only buy what they need, unless they are shopping for elderly or vulnerable people.

denphone 15-03-2020 14:31
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36027412)
Sainsburys U turn:

Just received an email from the Sainsburys CEO. They've now scrapped their policy of letting people buy what they want and have put restrictions in place in line with the other supermarkets.

He also makes a plea for everyone to only buy what they need, unless they are shopping for elderly or vulnerable people.
l had that email early this morning as it would have been sent to everyone on their shopping database.

RichardCoulter 15-03-2020 14:36
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36027411)
So nothing official then.
Following his fall out with the BBC & Channel 4, Robert Peston is one of the few (only?) journalists that Johnson will talk to.

I imagine it's right as, if it were to be voluntary, lots would ignore it. Isn't the plan to let about 60% of under 50's get it, whilst the elderly/ill are put into a virtual bubble?


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