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Why do they the Saudis need a governmental overseas aid department when they are clearly being quite generous and managing perfectly well to help other countries without one ,maybe we could learn a few lessons and start to ditch some of the beurocracy that seems to infest our government .

Incidentally, this sort of thing has been going on in their back yard for years and they have been giving large quantities of aid for years , sometimes putting us to shame so anybody saying that Saudi Arabia does nothing is quite frankly talking out of their ass

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Oh I thought you were citing the absence of such a department as an excuse, hence my comment.

I think we're going to have to disagree about how perfectly well they're doing because from where I'm sitting they could do a whole lot more including reforming the various rules, even temporarily, which evidently induce refugees from their own region to prefer taking their chances elsewhere, even if that means risking their lives. Frankly anyone who thinks SA is doing its fair share is talking out of their ass... ;)

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In the rush to welcome refugees and try to establish quota/numbers, I reckon a great many people are forgetting that a whole lot of those now being granted refugee status will, quite understandably be wanting to bring their families (mainly women, children & elderly) over in order to secure their safety. If these people are, as often claimed, stuck in war torn Syria and had to be left behind, how is anyone going to get them out? Alternatively, if they've been left behind in Turkey, for example, what mechanism will be used to extract these family members from all the others massing there? If they have no papers how are they going to be identified and is it really fair that simply because a relative made it to the EU illegally, they also get taken in whereas an equally desperate family who stayed together could be left behind.

Instead of making ourselves feel better in what I feel will turn out to be a short lived outpouring of sympathy and generosity in certain parts of Europe, someone needs to be considering the longer term ramifications of what's going on because if a whole lot of refugees are told their families are not going to be able to join them for whatever reason they're not going to be very happy about it. What are they planning to do if the decisions made in due course about where these people are going to go are not agreed to by the refugees? Is it going to be Hungary all over again with people forced to go where they don't want to, taken from their chosen Germany to some other place? Who's going to force refugees to go to a country they have no connection with, no desire to go to and where they're quite possible not going to be welcome? Whose going to force them to stay there?

Answers on a postcard to Jean-Claude Juncker please...

What our glorious leaders ought to have been doing over the years this crisis has been unfolding is thinking about the practical means by which they'd handle such entirely predictable and inevitable problems. It seems they've done very little thinking and even less planning, hence the awful chaos.

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Our Turkish neighbour is returning to Turkey shortly to move his mother further west away from the "conflict zone". The fear is that ISIS will enter the country in large numbers, along with PKK Kurdish and it'll all end up with a mass exodus of Turks to the west of the country.

And maybe further.

There are a LOT of Turks.....

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This is not going to end well for western civilization.:bigcry:

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I think you'll find that is the general idea and intention.

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Indeed. Oh wait.

We have provided more funds for Syria than the 'rich' gulf states combined. Our aid budget is dramatically larger than Saudi Arabia's. As we don't discriminate by religion and refuse to provide aid to states that don't share our religious ideals we also have a more complicated job of deciding where it should go.

Maybe we and the many other donor nations with a foreign overseas aid department do have a point and don't simply have them for fun and unnecessary bureaucracy?

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Probably not given the abysmal manner in which nations are dealing with the issue.

We are portrayed as heartless, presumably for not allowing 'refugees' in en masse, a large proportion of which are purely economic migrants. The UK isn't that bad. Took in more refugees than Germany throughout the 2000s and are doing a fair bit to assist those in and around Syria. More than the rest of the EU combined, and certainly more than the super-wealthy gulf states.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...015.09.04_.pdf

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The general idea and intention of many who come here and those of "their kind" already here.

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Never mind, if they become refugees we must take them in...

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Surely you're not suggesting that they may be in the slightest predisposed towards us admitting as many as possible and our enemies around the globe might also see some direct or indirect advantage to them in that end??... :confused:

Any such notion is clearly xenophobia and wicked scaremongering of the highest order. :rolleyes:

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My point was that the Gulf states are providing plenty of aid both financial and military contrary to some peoples belief that they are doing nothing or very little .The gulf states have so far this year donated $362,948,977 USD with a further $296,358,622USD pledged .The UK has donated $474,730,165 with a further $2,311,248 USD pledged as of 6th September 2015.Those figures do not include military aid to the Syrian rebels most of which comes from Saudi Arabia

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It's almost as if the Muslim countries want their fellow Muslims to flood into Western countries for some reason or other....I'll go and get my tin foil hat :D

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2 caliphates for the price of one. Steal one get one free...

Anyway, the Austrians are already planning to end the special measure which have seen so many migrants travel there in recent days and Germany seems to be realising what it's let itself in for.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34169726

I think they need to tell that to the migrants don't they?...

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Yeah, that bit in bold is kinda the problem. The Syrian rebels are Islamists much as ISIL are, just the 'wrong kind' of Islamists for ISIL. Both of them are packing tons of guns from Russia and the gulf states.

Perhaps if Saudi Arabia stopped dicking around trying to promote Wahhabism and stopped funding terrorism things wouldn't be so messed up either in the Middle East or the rest of the world.

I have no interest in taking lessons in pretty much anything from a regressive, misogynistic, frankly backwards country that competes with Qatar to be the major paymaster for international terrorism, is the driving force behind Islamism in much of the world, and whose primary contribution to human rights recently has been an attempt to enact blasphemy laws throughout the world.

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Just been listening to a BBC reporter confirming the presence of large numbers of young men of numerous nationalities trying to get across the Hungarian border. He spoke to some from Pakistan who freely confirmed their presence there as being in search of jobs in the EU. In the words of the reporter, 'riding on the coat tails' of the trail of refugees. I wonder if anyone will be applauding their arrival in town?