Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Only possible if our society, way of life and Government are the same as those in "Burhma or Tibet".

As none of them are, you can't compare them although I'm sure you'll persist in trying to do so.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

No, that is not what it means, If it was simply a signing off, that would be the legal oversight. But the democratic oversight is a different kettle of fish.

Is that police SOP? I gather from you reply that you have also thrown disabled people from wheelchairs.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

At the end of the day, if the guy in the wheelchair was thought to be in the way of harm, the Police, I guess have a duty of care for his safety and had to remove him post haste.

What if he was in a burning building? Would he / thugs still be whinging about it?

Flame away....

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

And what about those, the vast majority, who are taking part in peaceful protest and demonstration? It seems an easy way for a government to quieten the masses, doesn't it.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

If they kick off and cause trouble, guess what?

They will get wet.

:D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Flyboy ,i am going to try to cut through you're rabid hatred of the police with some common sense .To answer your first question ,

quite self evident but here you go ,it means that approval has to be given by ministers thats the democratic bit ,once the approval is given to the head of a particular force then he/she will have the authority to approve it's use ,which will be monitored (that's the oversight bit) by said ministers

To answer the second question the person in the wheel chair was quite clearly being an idiot and refusing to move when told ,all he would have to do is stick his fingers through the wheels to stop the police from wheeling him away (again quite obvious) To prevent injury to said numpty in the wheel chair the police are quite correct in dragging him out of the chair imo ,and being a paraplegic does not give him any special leaway

You see it's quite simple realy

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

It's a classic politician back covering exercise IMO
At the end of the day if needed the Met could deploy water cannons as soon as they get their hands on them. They could deploy baton rounds and CS tomorrow if need be without Parliament being able to stop them without amending legislation.

Funnily enough I don't think it's set in stone. It is however common sense which seems to be a concept you struggle with. I've removed people from places they don't want to be removed from.

It doesn't look pretty, it is necessary on occasion though.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Are you suggesting that the Police are politicised?

The people who would be targeted would be the perpetrators of offences...

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

He was in a wheelchair, the clue is in "wheelchair."

In all the training I have had, I have never heard of anyone suggest that the most effective way of getting a disabled person to safety is tip them out the wheelchair and drag them across the road. Just think about it. You first of all have to tip them out, not that easy really. Then get them to let go of the chair. Then drag them, struggling, across a road. If we are to believe Derek about the brakes, what is wrong with,......ooh I don't know.....undoing the brakes, perhaps. Not that difficult to do, just a little lever.

I am not, believe it or not, anti-police. I do an awful lot locally to support our police and help promote their reputation, I am a member of the local neighbourhood watch and I think on the whole our police do a fantastic job. What I am against, however, is anyone with authority, abusing that power. Like tipping disabled people out of wheelchairs, especially when a far more logical, effective and safer method is available.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

first time in months for some :D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

But he wouldn't need to, would he? I can't imagine that the two policemen who were there would have been incapable of moving his wheelchair for him, do you.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

In all the training you've had, you have no idea what you would do in the situation because

a) you are not a police officer
b) you have never been a police officer
c) you have never been in that situation
d) you have never needed to physically remove someone for their own safety whilst surrounded but a riot, especially when they didn't want to be.

and

e) you are not a police officer


I don't know how much of that I believe but you seem to be living in a world of "Dixon of Dock Green" style policing. Reality check pal - life isn't like that. The police have to use force when needed and looking at an edited video clip or a still photo does not give you any idea of how to do it better.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

And by bringing in more draconian laws to suppress legal protest doesn't worry you?

I remember only just a few short months ago, the noises being made about the gradual curtailment of the right to free protest, where is that noise now?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

i knew you would ask a question.

I don't know ask the idiots that start the riots :shocked:. if they did not start the riots then they would be no need for these measures.

Secondly the people organising these protests know that there are going to be idiots, hooligans, and general doe balls at there protests so why not do what you do best and ask them as well.

As for my feelings on the subject i have no intention of answering only to have a question from you are as reply. I have better things to do with my time than engaging in your debating technique of constantly asking questions whilst not giving answers in return. I will now await the little flashing indicator in the top right of my screen with your normal retort :D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

And how was doing what they did make him safer? Why didn't they simply wheel his chair away?