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tbf, it was more running SR71s up and down the East German & Czech borders (staying on our side) to test their reaction times, and to find out the location of their PVO Strany (Protivo Vozdushnaya Oborona Strany) Air Defence units, which we would then use to plan routes to avoid if ever there was a requirement to deliver Instant Sunshine from Bruggen and Laarbruch…

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The BBC showed ‘Bridge of Spies’ the other week - it’s probably still on iPlayer. Worth a watch if you want a flavour of the sort of stuff both sides did when they thought they might get away with it. (Also it’s a very good film, featuring Tom Hanks and Mark Rylance, who are excellent in everything).

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Yeah, seen that. Although don't remember too much these days. Due a rewatch probably.

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https://archive.ph/ZHKip

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Trump: "I'm gonna stop the war by poking the bear"

oh well :rolleyes:

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Or…

I’m going to stop the war by degrading Russia’s ability to wage war…

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while pretending not to take sides whilst helping Ukraine :D

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Well, considering the latest (2 days ago) US Defence budget* ($925 billion) contained $400 million for supporting Ukraine, and there was the signing of the PURL agreement between the U.S. and NATO on July 14, which allows for the transfer of U.S. weapons to Ukraine (funded by European countries), people would have to be very gullible and/or stupid to believe that…

*which, ironically, is below the 5% of GDP that Trump has insisted the NATO members spend on defence…

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Which goes to show that the USA (and Europe) are providing funding and weapons as part of the 'peace process'

which again brings us around to ""I'm gonna stop the war by poking the bear"

:D

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There is no ‘peace process’, just Putin saying ’sure, sure I want peace, but Ukraine has to surrender first’…

USA and Europe are proving money and weapons to stop an aggressor, who would probably (as he has recently called these countries ‘part of the Greater Rus’) then move into Georgia (further than he already has), Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia…

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It’s also worth pointing out that ‘don’t poke the bear’ is one of the most successful psy-ops of the 20th and now 21st century, perpetuating the myth of Russia as the all-powerful second greatest military on earth and, so far, helping achieve Russia’s foreign policy aim of limiting western aid to Ukraine because western governments are, on a very deep and visceral level, scared of what Russia might do if provoked.

The reality is, Russia is only the second greatest military in Ukraine, and has achieved minimal gains in exchange for vast losses of men and equipment that for the most part it cannot replace. The whole sorry episode could have been settled long ago had the escalation management obsessives in the Biden administration not been running the show prior to 2025.

And sadly, little will change in the next couple of years unless and until Europe gets over its dependence on America and its irrational fear of Russia and starts to take charge of things. For whatever bizarre and possibly perverted reason, Donald Trump craves Putin’s approval and admiration above all others and no matter what words he utters to appease US Republicans (who by and large do not like Russia, or Putin), he simply isn’t ever going to finally run out of patience or honour any deadline he seems to have set.

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I'd much rather have a better NHS, more policing, more 'social' care, and obviously much more affordable (LMAO) housing.

Oh, and some bloody jobs that involve people not AI

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Funnily enough there were a lot of people demanding social justice - including an NHS - in 1938. Unfortunately, 15 years of foreign policy failure, including appeasement of a genocidal dictator and a negligent attitude to national defence until it was almost too late, meant we couldn’t have an NHS until after we’d fought, and won, a world war.

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Ukraine's strategy with US intel has been to weaken Russia's energy assets. The country is now carrying out attacks that Biden's regime would not have approved of. It could be regretting its dependence on the energy sector or its wealth.
https://www.ft.com/content/f9f42c10-...7-3368dd831c8c

And now Trump is considering allowing Ukraine to access Tomahawk missiles in an attempt to get Putin to the negotiating table. I can imagine after the middle East deal, he will be happy to leave others to sort out the details there and move onto Ukraine. Upping the pressure on Russia now would tie in with this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93xpqgzkv0o

Putin's strategy seems to be to attack Ukranian energy assets too as Winter gets close
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgq2vnxzlvo

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I think it's a marvelous thing that both sides are targeting oil, gas and petroleum refineries and installations.

This means there is likely to be less pollution caused by the cars, buses and lorries on the roads.

The huge flames and explosions you see on the horizon will have no effect on a polluted atmosphere, nor will the tanks, planes and missiles of both sides running around blowing stuff up.

What's that Greta whatsit character doing now?

:D

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tbf, the Russians are trying to limit the pollution by focusing on civilian targets…

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Starmer and his other fellow leaders of countries have quite a pack going. They STILL wage a war while agreeing with Trumps take on things. :rolleyes:

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Mmmmm…

Pretty sure Putin’s the one "waging a war"…

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For a very good reason, if Russia (ie Putin) were to agree to a ceasefire, how does he present that to the Russian people. After all didn’t he claim that Ukraine was under ‘Nazi leadership’ and it was imperative that Zelensky et. al. be removed, to ‘free’ the Ukrainian people from tyranny?

So a ceasefire; fine, but Putin has to answer the obvious questions; you haven’t managed a regime change - the supposedly Nazi regime is still in charge, you have somewhere around a million dead Russians, you’ve gained, at best a few hundred kilometres of land!

Sorry where is the success here?

Putin can’t end this war, note that I say Putin, not Russia, Putin can't end the war because that will be his lot.

Alas a large number of Russian and Ukrainian people are going to die just to satisfy one person’s ego.

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I’m with my good friend Hugh on this one

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He should have agreed Trump’s proposal, then. Putin has over-reached.

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He over reached in 2022.

Further to Jem’s post, Putin has incorporated parts of Ukraine into Russia by modifying Russia’s constitution. If he stops now, he leaves parts of what the Russian State claims in its law to be its territory, under foreign ‘occupation’. He can’t sell that to a country that now has well over a million dead and incapacitated. What’s worse, there’s mounting evidence that he is being lied to on an industrial scale by his generals and that he might actually believe if he pushes just a little more, he can actually take the territories Russia has annexed. So he’s going to keep going because he thinks his minimum acceptable objective is still attainable.

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You’re probably right about that, Chris. In which case, the only way forward for Ukraine is to incapacitate Russia with more drone attacks and long range missiles, if he can acquire them. Otherwise, it’s just a war of attrition until one side runs out of men or money.

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There will be no WWIII. That’s just Putin bluster.

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Indeed, Russia’s problem is that they have hinted from the very start of this, that any intervention from the West would be regarded as an act of war. Supporting Ukraine - that’s WW3; supplying weapons to Ukraine - that’s WW3; supplying weapons that can hit targets in Russia itself - that’s WW3.

Except, the West has done all of these, and we still seem to be here.

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Russia probably can't trust their nuclear weapons anyway, nothing else they have military wise is maintained after all

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No, you can’t…

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Why would they waste an expensive missile (or three) on a Country that is already going under?

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To stop your constant negativity and whinging? ;)

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One mans negativity and whinging is another mans reality :p:

Anyway it's a valid point, the UK seems to be fast becoming the dumping ground of Europe (if not the World) . . which I believe was talked about (quietly, so as not to upset the easily panicked people) a few years ago. ;)

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In what way?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp85g86x0zgo

Behind closed doors at least, I hope the leaders of European nations understand and accept that we are in fact already at war with Russia.

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War *tut* what's it good for . . .

well actually, if your Country has a shortage of Jobs, Housing, and facing a growing problem with Food & Water due to an ever growing population that also needs Health Care and Education (which are also feeling the squeeze), it seems a decent enough way to solve a few problems . . as long as all parties involved don't go overboard and start throwing nukes about ;)

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Indeed, it was a legitimate target, from a Russian perspective.

NATO I would hope have done van assessment of other potential “legitimate” targets.

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By that interpretation of the Russian perspective, any weapon production site* in the UK that has produced munitions being used in Ukraine's defence against the Russian invasion could be regarded as a legitimate target...

*(Stevenage - Storm Shadow missiles, Belfast - Martlet missiles, Sheffield - artillery barrels, Bolton - RAVEN Ground Based Air Defence Systems and Brimstone 2 missiles, East Anglia - Ukrainian Army training, etc., etc.)

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Sobering thought, isn’t it.

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I’ll refine…but only a little bit…..Legitimate grey target.

The Poland incident……..might be Russia, might not …classic grey zone operation on a remote piece of infrastructure, that is difficult to attribute to the relevant actor.

A targeted attack on facilities in Stevenage, Belfast, Sheffield etc, on U.K. soil would be a lot harder to plausibly deny.

But as an ex-military individual, I thought you’d know that?

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This is a country which has attempted and committed an assassination on UK soil and killed a British citizen in doing so. I don't think they care. Obviously, an attack on British infrastructure would be a further escalation.

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I'm ok here then, there's sod all around here but crap roads and turnips . . . with the occasional whiff of fish from the East

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No they don’t, but they’ll keep it within the confines of what they think/know they can get away with.

Which, as history shows, is anything they want.

Unless we, or Poland, or anyone else is prepared to respond…………and it will also have be grey in nature……or cause greater issues.

They’ll continue.

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If you are in the County of twelve-fingered webbed hands, you have Waddington (ISTAR), Digby (Secret Squirrel), Coningsby (QRA), Cranwell (flying training), so some of the fall-out may drift your way… ;)

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We aren't daft we pay fallout tax to keep the air clean :erm:

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Nah, Dame Andrea Jenkyns cancelled that, as it was "too woke"...

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Damn, the things you learn on here.

I thought the 'fallout' tax was to cover all the crap left in the street on bin day :D

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Both are wrong. The fallout is the cost of Labour’s failed policies, which have to be paid for somehow.

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...ainst-36263256

[EXTRACT]

Russia is preparing for war against NATO warned Poland’s top general after it was hit by a massive gas explosion.

Chief of the General Staff of the Polish Armed Forces Wieslaw Kukula warned that Russia “has begun the period of preparing for war. They are building an environment here intended to create conditions favourable for potential aggression on Polish territory.”

He spoke out as Poland confirmed a key rail link between Warsaw and Ukraine - used for funnelling Western supplies - was blown up in an “unprecedented act of sabotage”. A Russian military attack on Poland would trigger a response under NATO’s Article 5 - likely amounting to a Third World War.

Putin doesn’t like it when it’s done to him, does he? He must know that we know this is all bluff and bluster. Putin doesn’t have the resources to start a Third World War.

https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2025/11/1...ng-the-tables/

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The plan is nuts. Ukraine has to hand over land to Russia that Russia doesn't even control? And cut it's army?

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Ukraine has to limit its armed forces size but Russia doesn't even have to guarantee it won't attack again, Russia gets most of its frozen assets back and are accepted back into the G8, security guarantees for Ukraine seem weak, in short this deal could've been written in Moscow its so one sided

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It probably was. The Russkies have some incriminating photos of The Donald. The new Mafia now run the USA. Not sure which country is worse.

Canada should invade Alaska, and we should support them, citing Ukraine as a precedent.

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Vitali Klitschko sums it up

“This isn’t a peace plan. It’s a surrender plan.
Imperial russia gets land for its crimes.
Ukraine gets promises, like the security guarantees of 1994, written in disappearing ink.
We don’t need 28 points.
We need one point: russia Go home!”

https://x.com/Klitschko/status/1991918986108522635

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Well at the moment, the most telling thing is Ukraine hasn’t yet rejected it. They won’t accept it, but remember Trump is a businessman, this is the initial offer in a negotiation.

Obviously unacceptable, let’s see what the counter offer is.

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He’ll be waiting for a co-ordinated response from ‘the willing’ in Europe. Starmer/Macron/etc managed to talk Trump down a couple of months ago. He’ll be hoping for similar. I’m not sure anything they say will put him off this time. Trump’s been batting for Putin all along, that much is now pretty clear. Zelensky will play for time and most likely try to work out what sort of war he can pursue entirely with European support. It ought to be possible to shape some sort of a campaign without American involvement, always assuming of course that the capitals of Europe have been paying attention and taken on board the awkward fact that the US is no longer a reliable ally.

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This on Xitter from Gabrielius Landsbergis, a former foreign minister of Lithuania (a small country, but with a lot of experience of dealing with Russia, and Russians).

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Going alone without America is difficult for Europe; they've underwritten our defence for so long that it will take a while to catch up. Do we even have the arms and money to fund Ukraine for as long as it needs to get a more transatlantic President in the White House?

We ideally need Trump to change his mind again. Apparently, the House of Representatives is more supportive of Ukraine, so domestic and international pressure might tell on Trump.

Several weeks ago, Trump seemed to have finally worked out that Putin lies to him and can't be trusted. Why has he u-turned again on that? Trump's ego seems to be the most important thing to him but he lets himself get played by Putin time and time again. Maybe Putin really does have something on him.

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Quite possibly Trump is expecting (maybe even wanting) a backlash from European leaders and the message "bugger off and leave us to it" . .

Plays nicely into his hands because nobody at home can say he pulled out, in fact Europe 'kicked' him out.

Of course Europe are then the sole defenders of Ukraine - and the free world (ha) - and where it goes from there should be a little alarming for everyone.

It *could* develop into a major escalation, with pretty boy Trump sitting waiting patiently to pick up the pieces of whatever is left of Europe & Russia when it's over.

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Trump's 'Russia First' policy for all to see. I hope AI hasn't made any mistakes when translating it from Russian.

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Follow the money…

From the Telegraph…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...plan-analysis/

https://archive.ph/QWCB0

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It’s difficult for Ukraine. They now have to work out how they can win this war without American support.

God help them if they decide to rely on us.

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They won’t win this war regardless of who supports them.

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Nobody is winning, or will win



apart from those in the business of weapon production

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Same could have been said of Poland in 1939. Ultimately it does affect us . Putin like Hitler , won't stop at one country.

All the President is worried about is how much money he can make out of it before he snuffs it.. Hopefully he (and Putin), will drop dead soon, that's our best hope.

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I wouldn’t say that’s the only thing he’s worried about. His handler in the Kremlin seems to have something on him he really, really, really doesn’t want hanging out in public.

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He hasn’t been able to start at one country, let alone stop at one.

I say Ukraine can’t win this war, and neither can Russia.


They’ve fought themselves to a standstill.

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Well this latest attempt at getting Ukraine to capitulate is beginning to unravel … GOP senator Mike Rounds says he was told by Rubio that the 28-point plan was a Russian-authored proposal. As of right now the state dept. is still furiously denying that, but as the entire internet has now worked out that the English text is riddled with Russian syntax (quite apart from it being a surrender document in all but name) that seems to be a tough position for the US government to maintain for any length of time. Especially as other world leaders are showing signs of backbone this morning and Trump has already conceded that the thing is negotiable.

The United States is being run by idiots, amateurs and two or more highly placed Russian assets.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c33m...96e4ee5f7#post

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Don’t forget the poltroons, mountebanks, and hornswagglers…

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...ines-zelenskyy

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2025/11/4.gif

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Here we go again. Zelenskyys in for another rolllocking.

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https://www.trtworld.com/article/a1a8cf593065

US officials were upbeat on Tuesday about the drive to end the war in Ukraine but acknowledged that sticking points remain over a US plan to halt the nearly four-year conflict.

The United States is pushing Ukraine to accept proposals which Kiev says concede too much to Moscow.

Talks between US Army Secretary Dan Driscoll and Russian delegates on the US plan were progressing, his spokesperson said.

The White House said that remaining issues in talks to end Russia's war against Ukraine would require more negotiation.

"The United States has made tremendous progress towards a peace deal," press secretary Karoline Leavitt posted on X.

"There are a few delicate but not insurmountable details that must be sorted out and will require further talks between Ukraine, Russia, and the United States."

Deal or no deal? Will Trump cave again when he speaks to Putin?

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Taco cave to Putes? Never! :D

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Putin is not going to agree to anything that makes it look like his plan has failed.

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Interesting how Trump's peace plan came to be
https://news.sky.com/story/trumps-pe...w-why-13475506

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Apparantly the 'deal' he came back looks to have been directly translated from Russian !
https://newrepublic.com/post/203517/...ssian-language
They are either corrupt, thick, lazy, being blackmailed
or all of the above....

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The best guess is that it was cooked up between Russian representatives and Steve Witkoff, Trump’s envoy, who speaks Russian and thinks he understands Russia (in reality Witless Witkoff is even more likely to be a bona fide Russian intelligence asset than Trump).

That’s what’s giving them just enough plausibility to claim the document is actually an American initiative, despite it obviously having originated in Russian and basically being a re-statement of Russia’s maximalist war aims.

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It’s the phraseology, rather than the words - “It is expected” is not commonly used in English in this context, but it is common in Russian…


In this context, people who use English as their first language would normally say "Russia will not invade neighbouring countries and Nato will not expand further."

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None of that means it's not typically Russian.

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All I know is that I didn't write it.

Everything else is just a meaningless 'finger pointing' game about something that will end up in the bin anyway.

Words on a bit of paper, just preliminary negotiations, not that these are the first, or last. ;)

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If that were true, why are Russian putting so much effort into getting their version out/publicised?

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Go ahead, tell me you honestly think that 'peace plan' is going to be accepted.

If it's not, it goes into the bin.

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Not the original Russian-penned one, no - but the point of it was to get Trump to be peeved at Zelensky, by publicising thing that were unacceptable/going get turned down…

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I think you'll find it's called 'negotiating' . . or bartering as us old ones know it.

It works like this:
A) Put an offer on the table wanting much more than you're willing to accept.

B) Discuss terms with the 'opponent' until you get to the stage where both are happy.

C) Shake hands, walk away satisfied with the deal, knowing you got exactly what you wanted, but gave the impression you had to 'give up' some things to get it.

No matter who wrote the first list of demands, it was never going anywhere but the bin.

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https://archive.ph/nHuah

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It usually ends up with who can make the most money from the suffering of others.

I'm sure there will be a queue to grab mineral rights and construction contracts, and obviously some weapons/defence plans in case it kicks off again.

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Apparently he's a fool :rolleyes: and this horses mouth piece alongside his allies were warmongering. Make your mind up. You might offend somebody :no:

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"Break the deadlock"?

Pretty sure Russia is still bombing and killing Ukrainians…

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That’s what the Americans call ‘blowing smoke up his ass’.

In the real world it is (hopefully) clear that Trump is trying to treat this as a property deal, with kickbacks for his handler pal Vlad and lucrative contracts for whichever American companies his bounteous grace bestows them upon.

Steve Witkoff is too stupid to see he’s being played for time, however, and the likelihood is that Putin thinks he’s doing better on the battlefield than he is, because he lives in a bunker surrounded by generals who will only tell him what he wants to hear.

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Who gives a toss what Trump wants, or Putin or the EU? What about the Ukrainian people, who's asking them?

55% of Ukrainians object to terratorial concessions to achieve peace (https://kyivindependent.com/55-of-uk...ce-poll-finds/)

The armed forces (not the commanders)have said they will carry on fighting if the peace deal is not acceptable to them.

I posted on here months ago that Ukraine ( it's people )would never give up.
They would rather go out fighting than anything less than Russia withdrawing from the terratory.

Before you go negotiating for someone, get to know them first. If Putin doesn't withdraw then thay will be left with a guerilla war for years to come.
Ukraine is not just fighing for thier independence and terratory but also their entire identity (as Ukrainians) and existance.

Make of my post what you will.

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I care. Seeing as our own resources are being aided in Ukraine. May be withdrawing support is logical so Russia can eat Ukraine up as it should have done so by now.

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At least they are talking.

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What about the Ukrainian people? Don’t they count for anything? Their country has been invaded, so why should they have to concede anything at the bequest of anyone?

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If Russia couldn't "eat up Ukrain" by now, why sould it be handed to them on a plate? As regards your own resources it has nithing to do with the rest of the country or me.

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They shouldn't have got themselves in the situation in the first place. Excuse me for not crying for Ukraine.

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What are you trying to say? It was Russia who invaded Ukraine. How does that make Ukraine the guilty party?

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The only plate being used is the rest of the worlds aid to Ukraine.

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Russia had its reasons.

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No, they are telling Ukraine, and bending over to the Russians

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Why don't you get over there then and change everything :rolleyes:

Customized for Ukraine. Of the willing my arse.

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Such as ?

(Dont forget to ask Putin what your reply should be). :rolleyes:

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OK, Vatnik…