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And the opinion polls , have Tory voters stayed at home there too?

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 45% (+2)
CON: 31% (-4)
LDEM: 11% (-)
GRN: 3% (+1)

via
@Survation
, 06 Jul

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The Tories do seem to think the next election is in the bag whatever they do.

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I dont agree with certain things from either parties but I think a change is definately needed. Too many old boys with too much money who have no clue about real world living.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...eadership-bid/

Rees-Mogg to enter? Presumably on a policy to reintroduce chimney sweeps

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Good i could use one

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I have a good one but he's based in Falmouth so no good for you sorry.

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The kids are too big to get up there these days too much junk food:)

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Only way that pact will happen imo is with a proper system of proportional representation coming in with it, which suits me fine, no more minority governments dragging the country down with agendas or ideology

But there must be a secret conspiracy to thwart it, how else can the complete car crash be explained otherwise

He's the answer to a question no one asked, bozo really did a good job of stuffing that cabinet with no marks, leightweights and z listers and why, so they'd ve loyal to him because everyone else would think them unemployable and unfit for government and even they still turned on him in the end :rofl:

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Totally agree. If UKIP had been given a more proportionate share of seats compared to their votes, we wouldn't have had uncontrolled immigration from Eastern Europe which kickstarted Brexit.

Shh, don't give the game away! Are you still on for that call with Soros at 7pm? :D

Exactly.

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BREAKING: NEW: 1922 committee election results:

Sir Graham Brady, chair
Nus Ghani & Will Wragg, vice Chairman

Executive:
Aaron Bell
Miriam Cates
Jo Gideon
Richard Graham
Chris Green
Robert Halfon
Sally-Ann Hart
Andrew Jones
Tom Randall
David Simmonds
John Stevenson
Martin Vickers

Three other 1922 vice chairs - Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, Bob Blackman and Gary Sambrook - were re-elected unopposed.

New 1922 committee executive is meeting *now* to decide leadership contest rules. Conservative party board then meets at 6:30pm to sign off. - Sebastian Payne, Financial Times.

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At last, a proper candidate.

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The reason Brexiteers don’t want a remainer is because they don’t believe that remainers have a clue as to how to implement Brexit.The job is only partially done. We may be out, but the advantages of Brexit have not really been exploited at all.

Having said that, Liz Truss was a remainer and she threw herself into getting the continuation trade deals sorted in the first year, which was commendable. But she appears to be an exception.

This is now becoming urgent. Covid has delayed implementation and we now need a PM to prioritise this over everything. Our economy depends on it.

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:rolleyes: In the same way you'd never be able to exploit a chocolate fireguard in front of a roaring fire.

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BREAKING: Sir Graham Brady is providing an update following a meeting of the 1922 Committee on the rules of the upcoming Conservative leadership election.

He says: "Nominations will open and close tomorrow, we will have a first ballot on Wednesday and a second ballot is likely on Thursday.

"We expect 20 supporters for each candidate... we'll also expect that on the first ballot any candidate to proceed must have won at least 30 votes from parliamentary colleagues."
Sir Graham adds the '22 is trying to find a "balance" in which the parliamentary proceedings are completed "reasonably quickly before the summer recess but we do believe we can have that proper discussion within the party."

He says the Conservative Party will get down to the final two candidates "as quickly as that happens".

Sir Graham says it is possible this could happen by Monday.

"I would hope that we would do it relatively quickly," he says. "We will have the first two ballots this week."

Sir Graham adds we should have a new prime minister by 5 September. -Sky News.

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Always the chance they get down to 2 and the remaining candidate drops out, ala 2017, to speed things up.

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I thought this was one of BJ’s three success stories?

Our economy depends on having someone competent (probably ruling out them all). How they campaigned in a referendum six years ago is irrelevant - they work within the frameworks in front of them.

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Please keep up!

He had many successes: not increasing taxes, not caving into Labour's windfall tax on the utilities, building 40 new hospitals, maintaining the triple pensions lock...:D

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He himself credits greed and capitalism for the vaccine rollout suggesting he doesn’t consider the state a significant factor. Which only really leaves throwing billions at NATO’s conscript army in the disputed parts of Ukraine.

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There's a good reason that no one has been able to find these Brexit benefits. And it's not the war in Ukraine or whatever the latest excuse might be.

As I understand it, the candidates are focusing on tax cuts and culture wars. Though whether our current debt levels can take a further bashing remains to be seen.

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BREAKING: Three Tory Leader Candidates have already reached 20 MP nominations threshold:

Rishi Sunak
Penny Mordaunt
Tom Tugendhat

Currently 70 Tory MPs yet to declare who they are backing.

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So they upped the nominations from 8 to 20 knowing full well who had enough votes, this whole process stinks from the get go.

There's no chance of a wild card candidate making it to the first round.

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How terribly exciting it all is. :zzz:

Maybe the electorate should decide who runs the country not a few easily bribed MPs. Democracy in action , UK style.....

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Someone could pop up tomorrow sometimes the outsider wins after a weak start, personally i think quite a few of them are dreamers, if Sunak wins I'm finished with the party.

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It's like watching the worst ever episode of the apprentice, with the worst ever candidates...

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What do you guys hate about Sunak? He seems the most fiscally conservative candidate. Some of them are going on about 20% cuts to each department, massive tax cuts on fuel, corporation tax and income tax.

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At least one candidate has come out against the online safety bill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwkeLYgEsqA

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Never even heard of 'Mordaunt' ..

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Which one ?

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But isn't that "democracy" (Tory-style) and don't you have to "accept the result"?" :)

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Badenoch, I was being lazy and trying to avoid typing it. :D

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I think he would be more at home in the labour party spending other peoples money on all the wrong things and taxing the arse off them.



He craped on pensioners, I'm one of them

He is too disconnected from the people and their problems

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Yes, papa, but if your 'wild card' can't find 20 backers now, there's no chance they are going to win, so it would be a waste of valuable time including them.

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Penny Mordaunt is MP for Portsmouth North which ain't far from the sitting MP in my parents area Braverman.

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Who do you want as the next leader, OB?

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It seems he’s also been secretly campaigning for leadership since at least December 2021, ready4rishi.com was registered last week, but readyforrishi.com which forwards to the first url, was registered in December 2021. He had a polished, professional campaign video ready to go as soon as Boris resigned. He’s super rich, a botched photo op when he didn’t know how to pay for an item at a petrol station, borrowing a car and filling it with petrol, a car that wasn’t even his.

I’m sorry but if Sunak gets in as leader, then I’ll be one of those demanding we have a General Election too.

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Criticism of leadership challengers for being prepared swiftly in the case of Johnson stepping down. But surely that's what we want from our leaders - thinking ahead and preparing for the challenges of the future rather than being in a kerfluffle when they happen.

Any politician who thought Johnson would be a safe pair of hands and wouldn't be a car crash PM shouldn't really be in politics.

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My son pointed out to me that the first url was registered in July 2021,this treachery has been long in the making.

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Come off if Andrew, we’re in a cost of living crisis, but here, we had a chancellor far more interested in his personal ambitions than helping the nation out & those in need.

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I agree with the analysis of Sunak. So out of touch regards most people's lives, it is a joke. His commitment is to himself .. that's it, it is all you need to know here.

There is a good argument that since the Tories are only in power because of Johnson then a GE should be called. This is a quite unique situation I feel.

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I am not holding my breath in the hope that we get someone better who isn’t working to protect the status quo.

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Not sure I under this? The (traditional) Tory Party raison d’etre *is* to protect the status quo.

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I agree with the criticisms of Sunak but the URL thing is a bit of a nothing burger. I am sure most of the candidates had plans in place to run for whenever a leadership election is called. Politicians usually do.

Same with Labour. Whenever Starmer is in a bit of trouble (bad polling, beergate) you can bet Andy Burnham is about to give an interview on national politics to a national newspaper/outlet.

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I like Andy Burnham, is mayor of my city. Manchester. If he was leader of Labour Party, I would instantly switch back to Labour. I just cannot in all good conscious, support a Labour Party, with Starmer and Rayner at the helm, they’re still old remnants of Jeremy Corbyn.

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BREAKING: Labour Party to table No Confidence motion to oust Boris Johnson and call a General Election.

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Apparently Boris Johnson and his supporters are out to get Sunak and stop him becoming leader.

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Current table from Guido Fawkes showing current backers tally:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1657618771

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I totally agree with you, Mick, on Sunak's handling of the cost of living crisis. He made it even worse with increases in NI whilst reaping the benefits of more VAT on high petrol prices. Not a man worried by the £2 litre.

But I don't criticise ministers for preparing in advance for Johnson stepping down as he was promoted way above his station. Politicians of all colours do need to plan for the future so I won't criticise them for this.

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Will their endorsement prove beneficial or be negative?

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Dominic Raab and Grant Shapps back Sunak.

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Yeah, Dominic Raab, backing Sunak, tells launch event the polling shows "he's the only one who can beat Labour"

Utterly laughable.

I’ll have what he’s smoking. :devsmoke:

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Penny Mordaunt and Kemi Badenoch are current top two on conservative home poll

https://conservativehome.com/2022/07...eight-hundred/

but of course up to the tory MP's to vote for who gets on final ballot to tory members

Priti Patel rules herself out of race

https://news.sky.com/story/conservat...hnson-12649823

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Good news for you: https://conservativehome.com/2022/07...h-rishi-sunak/

Personally, I like Mordaunt the most of the candidates anyway. Seems to be normal and more focused on actual issues rather than guff.

Zahawi I dislike the most due to the number of scandals he has already and his bizarre promise to do 20% cuts on every department to fund massive tax cuts. There is no way he'll do that so why so brazenly lie to the membership? They're not that stupid.

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How can the party select someone (Badenoch) whom 90% of the country have never heard of, to run the country when they (the country) elected someone totally different. This is banana republic territory.

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Tugendhat has vowed to cut 10p off fuel duty for a litre of petrol, I mean gee, thanks, it’s double what Sunak gave, but it will be swallowed by the greedy refineries.

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we need to ditch VAT on fuel.

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BREAKING: In an unprecedented move Government blocks Labour’s no confidence motion

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Thems the breaks

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labour didn't call for a VONC in the government only they cynically tried to include a VONC in the prime minister.

This breaks constitutional precedent by calling for the PM to step down before a leadership election’s concluded.

The last thing they can do is cry about it not being allowed in it's current form.

They have been told that they can have their pointless vote but just as a VONC in the government.

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It's weird they've blocked it as it was doomed to fail. It's probably the better outcome for Labour to have headlines it's been blocked.

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You say that but they did elect Johnson as leader despite knowing his weaknesses.

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Just increase the tax threshold; the rich benefit most from a cut in petrol duty.

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Sunak out ahead (36%) in the FT Reader Poll trailed by Tugendhat (23%). Zahawi, Braverman and Chishti just get 2% each! Confess I've only heard of Zahawi out of those three and that's for the tax investigation.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1657643721

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Ouch. (For Sunak).

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1657644755

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The eight MPs who have got through to the first round are:

• Rishi Sunak
• Penny Mordaunt
• Tom Tugendhat
• Liz Truss
• Suella Braverman
• Jeremy Hunt
• Kemi Badenoch
• Nadhim Zahawi

first MP's votes tomorrow could we be down to final 2 by Friday

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I don't understand why they can’t be appointed in August? I appreciate that it's usually a holiday month but why wait until September 9th to start the job?

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Have any promised to spend on healthcare/dentists? Stuff 10p off a litre, what are they going to cut to fund that? Or are they going to borrow yet more and bankrupt the next generation, whilst destroying the climate?

None of it is remotely believable. Lies are the new and accepted norm, thanks to Boris. Get elected, then lie more to cover the lies.

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It's all smoke and mirrors, as the price of petrol rises so does the VAT take. The 5p duty cut they made a big fuss about had already been eclipsed by the increased VAT from the price increases leading up to the cut. It's just the same as the NI cut they were talking about on the 6th July, they seem to forget they put it up in April. They must think the public (or more to the point Conservative party members) are as thick as you know what. I suppose anyone who sucks it up deserves what they get.

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Agreed. The public already got what they deserved when they voted for Boris ! His track history of dishonesty, laziness and incompetence was there.

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Well we saw the error in our ways in Wakefield, and I wouldn't be surprised if many more do too, particularly next door in Morley & Outwood now their MP has shown how uncouth she truly is.

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I am worried that you are regressing into a Labourite, Seph!

Sorry that you have lost the faith and the perceptions to what is important. Humans are not perfect. You have to concentrate on their policies, old chap. As for their financial tappings - oh, please! We are all the same when it comes to it!

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He got us out of the EU. That’s good enough for me.

Now that’s look at how we make it work. What? You don’t care about the opportunities that this presents and the need to pursue them?

Of course you don’t! You just to make a case for an (unelectable) Labour government.

OK, you’ll have to find the hard way!

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As my late dad used to say, in politics, the trick to being a successful leader is to surround yourself with people more incompetent than yourself. I think he would have felt this very strongly about this government. Like you Steph as a paid up member he would have been spitting feathers.

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If the intellectual heavyweights of the ERG say it could take fifty years why should Mr K bother with such long term aspirations?

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You do have a tendency to tar others with your standards…

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He didn't even succeed in that. The brilliant NI oven ready deal he agreed, he now says is rubbish, and negotiations with the EU will go on forever.... Meanwhile we have the slowest growth in the G7, and a higher inflation rate than any EU country. The Tories ignore all this and concentrate on their own personal power grabs, and who can tell the biggest lies...

By any standards he's been the worst PM ever and has caused enormous and everlasting damage to the UK. Any prospective candidate that propped this muppet up should be discounted by default. ( so that excludes all of them).

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I think it's a pretty well accepted that Johnson is the worst UK PM we've all lived under.

Private Eye has a nice summary picture of his legacy. I won't attach the photo as it may prove disturbing to some but here's a link: https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/stat...622529/photo/1

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Depends how you define worst. He did at least do some things of note. May on the other hand did nothing at all. So I would put his tenure above hers. A very low bar I know.

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First round result

88 | Sunak
67 | Mordaunt
50 | Truss
40 | Badenoch
37 | Tugendhat
32 | Braverman
25 | Zahawi
18 | Hunt

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She negotiated a much better deal with the EU than Bozzo did.

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Expect The Daily Mail and the Daily Express to run a campaign trying to stop Rishi Sunak becoming leader in these coming weeks.

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She set a low bar. But Johnson has managed to limbo dance underneath it with the Brexishambles, corruption and Partygate all denting the Party's and country's reputation.

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He wouldn't win against any of the others anyway ;)

The membership don't care for him apparently.

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Boris vs May depends on how you're rating it right? In terms of election success and execution of policy then Johnson would outrank May in having won a big majority in 2019 and passing Brexit.

What I think will stand out about Boris Johnson's tenure is how quickly he threw away a commanding position to make a bigger legacy though stupid mistakes.

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I think Boris started to believe his own hype.
He did the job most elected him for, and a reasonable job in the pandemic.
In the end, he had no choice but to go, I dont see the potential replacements standing out as much better TBH,

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Confirmed television debate with the Conservative leadership candidates so far:

July 15th:
Channel 4 from 7.30pm

July 17th:
ITV, UTV and STV from 7pm

July 18th:
Sky News from 8pm (Broadcast time TBC)

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She didn’t, because she didn’t do a deal.

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I personally don't understand why they do this for any of the parties. The debates aren't aimed at the general public and the internal debates they have within their own party will be different to whenever the election comes around next.

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The person who wins becomes our PM though so there is a public interest to see what they say even if it's pitched to the membership. I think it'll be interesting anyway because they'll probably have to pitch to that membership whilst being aware this might be the first exposure they're getting to the wider electorate.

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if you’re referring to the NI Protocol, that’s still not resolved

What corruption?

Poor yes, should we talking about it 7 months later, absolutely no. It is now totally irrelevant. Only the deranged would refer to it now.


People can’t separate from who the man is from what the man did, not perfect no, but neither the devil incarnate.

God forbid, now he’s gone, Labour may now have to have positions on things and policies and stuff. Look forward to hearing them.

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Nobody, anywhere, can seriously expect a politician who lies and breaks the law to simply allow 7 months to pass and it’ll be all over.

The opposition would be howling it from the rooftops from now til the next election. A fact so transparently obvious to the party who have deposed him a mere four weeks after backing him.

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That and other aspects of this bungled Brexit. eg
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2116440.html

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:D:D:D

Where have you been the last couple of years?

Feel free to take your choice from any of the examples below.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2002869.html

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...-lied-24419765

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That's yet another good thing to come out of his "resignation" then.

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He crossed the line many many times and paid the price. He'll do ok with lots of speaking engagements in the US, Asia Pac and the Middle East so no need for anyone to get the Kleenex out just yet.

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Do you. Have actual evidence of Boris Johnson being “corrupt” and I mean “corrupt”.. your term. If you do, you should advise the police and give them that evidence so he can be prosecuted.

If you don’t have that evidence, but just like throwing around the term “corrupt”, (which is what you are doing)

Then you’re just being a Richard.

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The man who tried to get his mistress a job isn’t corrupt?

We are either through the looking glass or Pierre’s at the bottom of his wine glass. Probably the latter from the post above.

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The evidence is all in the public domain and there are many examples detailed in this thread.

In summary:

There is more corruption and corruption risk in and around this government than any UK government since the Second World War.

- Robert Barrington, Professor of Anti-Corruption Practice at the Centre for the Study of Corruption in the University of Sussex

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Yes, and that is why the Opposition will not get to power. Boris Johnson will be gone, the Conservatives will have moved on and actually started implementing the rest of their mandate, and still Labour will be bleating on about the unfairness of it all with Partygate instead of putting forward policies that people can relate to.