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If it turns out to be wildly successful they are going to regret calling it the Donald Trump drug.

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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

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I can imagine the headline.

Trump drug saves the world.

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That's what I said to Mrs DaveeB, if it turns out well he's a genius, if it all goes wrong he was being "sarcastic" again as with Bleachgate..

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Nah they will start calling it Plaquenil (its brand name) and say it is a decade old drug recommended by the WHO to treat Malaria and just forget it is the same substance.

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You think he’ll get any credit if it works? No chance.

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He'll promote himself as the savior .. :erm:

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I was going to suggest him making a self nomination for the Nobel prize in Physiology or Medicine.

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Do they do a Nobel Prize for Muppetry ?

:cool:

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If it works the majority of the credit would go to those who originally suggested it would help. Trump would certainly be able to say he was there early on though

That said it's one of many treatments being tested and people should be wary of medical advice from the guy who wondered if we could look into injecting bleach.

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Fake news!

It wasn’t bleach, it was disinfectant...

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Fox News would probably set up a daily programme - Donald Saves the World - if such treatment is ever shown to be beneficial.

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I'm wondering if he has shares in the company..

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Apparently he does own shares.

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Trump does own shares, but his overall total shares, is of little significance. He owns about $1,500 worth, the French company, (so not even American) Sonafi which makes Hydroxychloroquine, stock value went up the day after Trump promoted its use to treat Covid-19, so Trump stood to pocket $260 from his promotion of it. Trump’s net worth is documented to be around $3,000,000,000. He isn’t violating federal conflict of interest laws.

As per usual, it’s jump on the, “Trump man bad”, again. :zzz:

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Come on Mick l am even sure you must have been shocked by Donald's claim that Coronavirus might be treated by injecting disinfectant into the body.;)

Its not about being anti Trump as even the most unbiased observer's have thought some of his comments are way out.

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I don't think he's bad, just not very bright to put it politely.

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He didn’t “claim” anything, he was “asking” what was possible.

Don’t get me wrong it sounds like the ramblings of a lunatic. But the accusations that He claimed, instructed, advocated etc etc.

Are wrong.


Here is the transcript of what he actually said

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He does make it very easy to jump on though. He positively does.

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And a device that can be slid down to the lungs to administer UV light does already exist.

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Just to add to this:
- Trump's shares are held indirectly - his family trusts invest in what the US calls mutual funds similar to what we would call unit trusts.
- His mutual funds hold shares in many large companies, not just Sanofi. That's the nature of these types of investments. I'm sure his peers invest in similar ways too though perhaps with smaller sums.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tr...-99-2020-04-07

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To point out, Hydroxychloroquine is an old and relatively cheap drug. If you were purely wanting to profiteer you would choose something newer and more costly.

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Something like HydroxyTrumpochloroquine :)

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Anyone who is taking their medical advice off the President's ramblings in a press conference is probably better out of the gene pool anyway.

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Its not looking good for Donald being praised.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/corona...l_twitter_abcn

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I'd call the drug "Agent Orange"

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Is that similar to the Vietnam stuff? ;)

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The government’s daily press conference has been delayed by an hour and will now start at 5pm.

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If it’s going to be a rerun of yesterday I won’t bother.

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l nearly fell asleep a little way in.:sleep:

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What poor sod have they got lined up today?

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The PM himself if the betting is to be believed.

Not my prediction you understand.;)

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BREAKING: U.S President Donald Trump bans all travel from Brazil in to the U.S as the South American country becomes the latest hotspot of Covid-19.

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Makes sense Brazil's leader is a nut case who seems to actually want to spread it.

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BREAKING: All non-essential retail shops can reopen in England from 15 June, PM says

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Outdoor markets and showrooms from Monday.


But no news on when families can meet.

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You can meet at the local shop from the 15th.
Atm, you could meet in the park, on the pavement/path, the beach, or pretty much anywhere except inside your house. Bizarre really.

No more news on pubs, cafes or restaraunts then ?

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Pretty sure they'll announce a loosening of when people can meet before the 15th

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Pubs will be the show-stopper. There wil be pressure now for them to bring forward an announcement on those, even if it is a little while off.

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The trouble with thousands of pubs in the UK is that they are not designed for social distancing.

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But will the customers come back? A few will, but others might have got used to drinking cheaper and safer. The only benefit is the social aspect, which is the danger. Can't see them reopening until after a vaccine.

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No chance, we won’t and can’t wait for that.

I reckon we will be operating normally as a a country and society ( perhaps with a few tweaks) come September.

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I think pubs re-opening will come before a vaccine. If the virus dies out then they'll definitely open up. But I think there will be a halfway house, perhaps just the outside areas opening up. Put some turf in the car parks and you can spread those tables around to comply with social distancing. Add an app to avoid queuing at the bar and it's just the toilets you need to worry about. Hmm on that latter aspect, I thought I'd just solved it!

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Neither are people.

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So all the moaners will have to sit in the smoking area that'll be intersting.

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Not enough room..Even the smokers won't be able to socially distance.;)

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With the highest death rate per capita in the world it'll be politically and economically dangerous to do that.

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Wetherspoons always saw their customers as disposable so it may not be a problem....

It's all about food these days, that's where pubs went wrong. If you're going out to eat you might as well go to a proper restaurant. Pubs were dying before Covid.

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I don't smoke anymore but when i did i found sparking up a half corona cleared the decks pretty adequately.

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I love the taste but my kids just moan at me about my health so i gave up.

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First resignation of a minister.

Also, Gove also goes for a drive to test his eyesight for some reason.

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1265185119926706181

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They obviously must think that driving a car is the way to test your eyesight.

Call me old fashioned but I would have thought that a visit for a eye-test in a opticians might be the way to do it.

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I always test mine by taking a few pot shots at the neighbours kids with my air rifle,it's much safer than driving.

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I'm due an eye test so i may have to go out on my scooter for it. It seems like the cheaper option.

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Ok, I am guilty of this as well but let's keep the Cummings stuff to his own thread :)

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Maybe get rid of the smoking areas. Reduce social distancing requirements to one metre. Not all opens could re-open, more the countryside pubs in the Conservative home and shire counties which have beer gardens but focus more on food these days. Gives people a feel-good factor and gets a bit more of the economy going. But city pubs I suspect will have to hang on a bit.

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Maybe the smokers go inside the pub and the moaners stay outside.

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There is actually nothing special about 2 meters, its just a number the UK picked.
(I suspect more people in the UK would have understood 6 feet, rather than 2 meters).

"The World Health Organization says that a distance of one metre is safe, while others suggest 1.5m or 1.8m with the UK opting for two metres".

There isnt anything particularly magical about the often banded 15 minutes either.
Its simply a case of "the longer you spend in close proximity with an infected person, the more your chances of catching the virus go up".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-52522460

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That's the nature of arbitrary definitions though. 30 miles per hour in the car doesn't magically improve safety in a built up area over 31mph.

In air conditioned environments the virus has been shown to infect people six metres away, and infecting people entering in area up to 30 minutes after the originally infected individual has left. It's be unrealistic to make that a definition though off the back of one isolated example.

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On a personal note:

Home Bargains. 20 minute wait, OK in the shop.

Aldi. No wait, OK in the shop.

Lidl. 15 minute wait, then almost as soon as I got into the shop an elderly gentleman in front of me got peed-off with 4 Pakistani kids running amok whilst their parents blocked the aisle as they chatted on the mobiles. He swung his trolley around to stop then bumping into him, then bellowed at them at the top of his voice. A word I have not heard in over 40 years. They all got the message and squeezed themselves against the side of the aisle and let him advance. On the way to the till, 2 huge obese women blocked the aisle whilst they had a very foul-mouthed chat. So I played curling with my heavy trolley. They got the message, as did the security guard who told them to do their shopping and then chat outside.

Tesco. A huge queue in blazing sunshine, so I came home. Lucky for me that the prescriptions won't be ready until late tomorrow afternoon.

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From this:
https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/...32235705270272

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More details

https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus...a_second_wave/

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I think the second sentence is an important point:

The full article can be read free of charge here: https://www.ft.com/content/6b4c784e-...2-648ffde71bf0

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Will the 14-day quarantine process for in-bound travellers happen?
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a9536001.html

Meanwhile, what better than to make the public forget Cumminsgate? Talk up pubs re-opening of course!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/117228...n-coronavirus/

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Spot on and if i were in a position of power I'd been keen to ensure that I could not be associated with the herd immunity policy.
The key thing to learn now is what other factors may have led to this situation arising so we can ensure they're being addressed by the measures we're implementing.

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Sounds very much like "stay alert" to me, you know the very much ridiculed and supposedly confusing message from HMG.

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the first sentence is also important:

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It's the Sun, It's China...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/117379..._source=pushly

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Great they were able to trace the main source.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-52845015

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I wonder if the Korean media are crucifying their government over this obvious failure in policy.

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South Korea's huge success in controlling the virus probably gives the Government leeway. Even this is somewhat a success given how quickly they've managed to track down the new cause of infection and shut it down.

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Exactly, that’s perverse logic demonstrated by Pierre here in a veiled attempt to defend our Government all costs. That’s the system working.

Failure is what we have. As demonstrated by the death count and economic impact. The success of the South Korean system will allow its economy to thrive while we stagnate falling over bodies. Literally and figuratively.

They consider 79 new cases a credible threat. We consider 400 deaths a day success.

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It's encouraging that other countries are not seeing spikes. France and Germany opened up and so far, so good for the most part.

I think we need to leave lockdown soon because people simply cannot tolerate it for too much longer. I am concerned that we're still quite high for cases and deaths. France had fewer cases and deaths by the time they opened up, we're starting to fall behind in terms of 'weeks' as well. I.E If we were 'two weeks behind Italy' our deaths should be a lot lower be now.

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I have to admit, that's spot on on how I see this forum as a whole.

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Well, it’s apparent that some users lack objectivity. Regardless of the issue, regardless of the death count, this is the Government that will be forgiven for anything as it delivered Brexit.

I’ve asked the question multiple times what some would describe as failure in managing Coronavirus to no answer, and simply had insults thrown at me for daring to opine that the Government has managed this badly.

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Agreed. Worryingly, the track and trace doesn't seem to be firing on all cylinders.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...y-two-11996729

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In terms of the Government's handling, it's a mixed bag but the results suggest I'm being generous. In terms of what's worked, the initial messaging was great. The furlow scheme and other support packages have worked well.
But in terms of dithering for three weeks before lockdown, PPE, care homes and Cummingsgate, no.

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The economic response has been very good to be fair

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Indeed it has but l do worry in a few months when the Furlough scheme gets wound up.

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There is plenty of balance in this forum, Mr K & Jfman are equal to 10x me

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It is indeed a mystery why there are those who will forgive almost anything and, as you point out, ignore what is objective criticism and instruct you to "move on, nothing to see here". I feel it is the point that there actually is something to "see here" that is the reason why we have to move on :)

How can people be content with the highest per capita death rate in the world and not ask if the decision making process that underwrote these deaths is still the correct one?

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I agree with this point. However, the support is starting to wind down now and when the Government starts to address how the massive Covid borrowing is to be serviced, the real fun will begin.

Who pays and how they pay will be the crux of the matter ..

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I am not sure maths is your strong point :)

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No need to talk yourself down, Pierre. It can't be good waking up every morning and sticking on the news to see what you've to go in and bat for on a given day.

I've at least got solid material to work with on a daily basis.

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Tax rises and getting rid of the triple lock are two suggestions by some.

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Oh come on, 7x maybe ;)

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Like two yapping dogs is more like it;)

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There's an article here in the Daily Express that suggests that the triple lock will be retained, on the basis that Boris Johnson has confirmed he intends to meet all his manifesto commitments.

Of course, the Express does sometimes make mistakes.
11 March 2020 A study has not claimed the new coronavirus was ‘genetically engineered for efficient spread in humans’
https://fullfact.org/health/new-coro...ly-engineered/
22 May 2020 Daily Express diabetes and coronavirus deaths headline is misleading
https://fullfact.org/health/diabetes...eaths-england/
24 May 2020 Claim that 7.7% of UK goods exports go to the EU is a big underestimate
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-goods-exports-gdp/

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Not following 'the science' any longer?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...sks-reopening/

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They’re rolling the dice, but they have to.

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They don't have to.

It's a political choice to do so rather than wait a few more weeks until the numbers are more under control and test, trace, isolate is fully up and running.

Once again Britain is going against internationally recognised best practice on this. When people die - and if there's a deadly second wave - it's as you say because they rolled the dice. They left it to pure luck.

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Personally, I think they've been forced to bring their 'easing' plan forward a couple of weeks due to the Cummings fiasco (and similar).

Whether Cummings did right or wrong is of little consequence, the fact is a lot of people were quite . . angry . . at what occurred (helped along by the media), and were probably close to stepping over the 'lock down' line in protest.

Once that rock ever started rolling downhill you'd have little chance of stopping it :shocked:

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It's been widely ignored since the get go around here,and we have one of the lowest infection rates, meeting up with 6 people will be a bit of a blow when people have been gathering in larger numbers for weeks.
I Should also add the police have kept their distance and pretty much ignored the whole debacle.

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The comment in the article doesn't match the statistics.

https://thelincolnite.co.uk/2020/05/...19-infections/

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NE lincolnshire is where i am referring to not Lincolnshire as a whole.

The Scunthorpe area has had a much higher infection rate than Grimsby throughout the pandemic.

North Lincolnshire now has 510 confirmed cases - up nine in the last 24 hours and an infection rate of 296.5 per 100,000 of the population.

North East Lincolnshire continues to have one of the lowest infection rates in the country at 95.7 per 100,000 and 153 cases - up three.

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No one wants to go to Cleethorpes/Grimsby which has worked in your favour ;)

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It's me isn't it :bigcry:

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Probably not - there’s probably a genetic factor involved, and since most people in that area are related, that may be the reason for the resistance to infection... ;)