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More leftist claptrap I should think Andrew (just to save Mick et al posting ;) )

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"All the scientific polling that has been done at national level... has shown the overwhelming majority of people on both sides would vote pretty much exactly as they did before.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7494421.html

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I think that's plausible as nothing much apart from the value of the £ has changed and the economy has performed very well. The test will be a year from now...

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Thanks. But I prefer to actually say that I think it's a load of bollocks. ;)

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Hey Mick, you banned me once for saying the 'B' word, are you going to ban yourself?
Cheers and :xmas:
Mr K

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My guess is he didn't ban you for saying the 'B' word, but for actually talking bollocks :)

:xmas:

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With friends like wilbur we don't need enamel

http://news.sky.com/story/donald-tru...trade-10707632

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To gloss over the facts? ;)

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So, even now, the opinion polls are being quoted to try to give credibility to an untruth. I would take no notice of them, Andrew, as the manner in which they are carried out is flawed. Given that 52% voted in favout of Brexit when the opinion polls were confidently predicting 'remain', it just shows the degree of inaccuracy that occurs.

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No because that's just not accurate. You really want to go over your infraction record here ? Ok. Good job we keep all details logged isn't it ? ;)

Actually, you received 0 point infraction for Pushing your luck at a CF Team action / Decision : Which included the use of the word "bollocks". Btw... 0 point infraction does not ban you.

You received a subsequent infraction for abusing / sending offensive remarks via the Reputation System to another forum member, that got you 3 points. That would not ban you or even suspend you. Had you got 5 points that is a 1 day suspension of your posting privileges.

Therefore : No ban was issued as per our records. Now, if I was really bothered, I should escort you to the door for telling blatant lies, but I'm not.

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As long as we've kissed and made up Mick, that's the main thing :)

Nice to see your best buddy the Donald making the most of Brexit. No wonder he was keen on it.

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The Queen 'said she backed Brexit' in run-up to EU referendum
Laura Kuenssberg, the BBC's political editor, said she was told about the alleged comment months before the eventual appearance of The Sun's "Queen backs Brexit" headline in March.

Ms Kuenssberg said that her "jaw hit the floor" when an unnamed contact told her that the Queen had told a private lunch that she could not see why Britain could not simply leave the EU.

The BBC political editor told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "In a casual chat with one of my contacts, they said 'Do you know what? At some point this is going to come out, and I'm telling you now and I don't know if the BBC would touch it, but the Queen told people at a private lunch that she thinks that we should leave the EU'.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...-a7495926.html

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The Evening Standard's reveals its most-read story of 2016 and it's about Brexit.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3280361.html

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It's what most people suspected I think. The Sun went with that story before based on what people assumed was a leak from Gove. She is right not to report it based on a single source though, people expect less from The Sun and they openly advocated for Leave anyway. The BBC reporting the Queen backing Brexit would have been a bigger story and one they would have been risky to report based on the say-so of one person.

EDIT: To be clear I am not saying they're the same source.

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:dunce::dunce::dunce:

Only that is not the Donald saying that, that is an adviser and he is supposed to have said it in the coming days after Brexit and way before he was appointed by Trump. It's a non-story seeing as Trump has said we will be at the front of the Trade Queue, as opposed to the back of it, where the useless outgoing President threatened to place us if we voted leave.

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It's the company he's keeping Mick ,it says a lot about Trump as a person.Some of the people he has used and still using are not very nice people ,such as his campaign manager from New York

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Didn't think we liked facts in the post brexit say what you like without consequence utopia

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Yes and wilbur is the guy negotiating said trade deal...

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TheDaddy, As I said, we were suppose to be at back of Trading Queue and Hillary would have kept us there, if she had won. So if we even get to a negotiating table with the US Trump Administration, it's far more progress than a Clinton / Obama Administration.

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Read your previous post again...*sigh*.

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That was just Obama trying not to influence our national vote and I think it was the best of his few achievements since I believe his statement caused a good number of people to vote the other way. :D

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Ugh poxy predictive text, it's about as good at predicting words as pollsters are at predicting election results

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I didn't believe Obama and his threats and if anything I'd say they had the opposite effect on the electorate, if I'd have taken him seriously I'd have voted leave.

Just like nigel farage did at the American election when he tried to influence the vote there, just because he added that he wasn't trying to influence their vote doesn't mean it was true, people might take you more seriously if you weren't so selective and one eyed with your agendas

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Linky

Remainers won't like that.

Linky

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Do you mean that a man who supports a hard Brexit has come out saying he supports a hard Brexit? ;)

BTW, is he RESPECTED becuase he supports Leave or because he was a past head of the Bank of England? If the latter, then isn't Mark Carney also RESPECTED?

Also, isn't he in danger of qualifying of being an "Expert"?

Maybe they could put this on the side of a bus?

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What for ?

Some Remoaners still living in fantasy land I see but let's face reality, the campaign period is long over and now the sensible result of leaving the EU hell hole is happening.

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it was a joke ..

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Given that the remoaner's experts have been proven wrong on just about every count I think Mervyn King's prediction is a breath of fresh air.

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Well you see folks just can't help banging on about a statement made by a campaign group with no actual political power and which they dismissed as a pathetic joke, whilst conveniently overlooking what those who were running the country (like the PM & Chancellor) actually told us they would do if we dared to ignore them - emergency budget, tax rises, blah, blah, blah...

Yeah I can see how they're on entirely the same scale of credibility and duplicity... :rolleyes:

Anyway, I'll be waiting for these people to contribute further on the wisdom of remaining part of the EU as it flounders from one crisis to another but I dare say they'll continue to be conspicuous only by their absence in such discussions. It's really no surprise that they love to pick up on every bit of bad news here and cite is a consequence of Brexit yet never seem to have anything to say about all that's going wrong in EUtopia...

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Respect has to be earned; it's not an automatic appendage to a job description. Mervyn King has it.

Mr Carney needs to start getting his interest rate forecasts right or his Brexit predictions or apply for a job as a Mountie back home :D.

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Maybe Carney ought to be as respected as the outcome of the referendum. That'd be something eh? :D

Back in the real world:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/m...-go-heres-why/

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Oh, you mean this respect?

Sir Mervyn King admits policymakers made 'major mistakes' in financial crisis

Mea culpa? Mervyn King admits financial crisis mistakes

Really guys, just admit it: you "respect" him because he agrees with your point of view. No more, no less.

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I think you should get a girl friend ;)

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I've got more respect for someone who can admit they got things wrong and had some responsibility for events then the never ending line of continually incorrect who blame everything and everyone else rather then take any responsibility.

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My wife may object ;)

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I can't reply or your father will tell me off ;)

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Doubt it, he's been dead for 35 years ..

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At least he is safe from the likes of Gary Lineker.

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Yeah it's not like the referendum losers to carry on quoting opionions which agree with theirs is it It's not like they can't accept and keep challenging the outcome of the referendum result is it... :D

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It's not like they keep insulting those who disagree with them, is it?

(with the notable exception of Mr K, who seems to be trying for 'sore loser of the year' award)

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Bit uncalled for Hugh ! Yes, I am a 'remoaner' and proud. I think what's happened is a disaster. Time will tell and everyone is entitled to their opinions but they shouldn't be silenced as a result of this vote.

However it's not about winning/losing. That sort of American mentality is for football louts which seems to be increasingly spilling over into everyday life. Everyone might lose in the end; I genuinely really hope I'm wrong.

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I'm confused now. You seem not to think of yourself as a 'sore loser' whilst Hugh has cited you as being one. If you're not a sore loser it seems unfair and personal for anyone to suggest that you are.

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You've confused me too Kursk, if it's any consolation ;)

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I've taken to insulting remoaners because of the torrents of abuse that I started receiving from them right after the outcome of the vote. If they can't handle it, they shouldn't dish it out in the first place :shrug: :)

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Well, since you voted remain, it's a given that you're easily confused. ;):D

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And then people say the same about you after all many of the 'remoaners' you insult would be people who didn't insult others....

In the end you'll both still be in the gutter, what does it matter who fell in first?

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I get the distinct feeling that those who I insult will all have been 'guilty' of the same thing first.

At least I'll be looking at the stars, whereas remoaners are always contemplating the drains. :D

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Can you give us some examples of these "torrents of abuse" you personally received?

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Ah now it is a "feeling" that you have been insulted .. Mmmm ... if we're not careful, you will be driving around in a bus with the offending remarks writ large

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Can't be bothered to revisit all that. You'll just have to use your imagination.....but be sure to include the words 'idiot', racist', 'stupid' in your musings.
No, it's not a feeling that I've been insulted. If you read my post carefully, it's a feeling that the person that I'm insulting has already done the same to a brexiteer Better than this then? :dozey:

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Ah, so says an "honest" post-truther ... 2017 will be fun :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-truth_politics

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Wrong, we would have been in gutter had we remained in EU, it is a sinking ship, not a question of if it fails but when ?

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Everything fails in the end Mick, even us. The EU isn't perfect, however if we think we're better off outside the biggest single market in the World, then we're living in cloud Cuckoo land.

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There's plenty of evidence to suggest that the single market has actually held us back over the years in terms of trading with other nations ,this report goes into great detail to explain why the single market isn't as good as it is made out to be

http://www.civitas.org.uk/email-reso...nd-paradox.pdf

Basically the single market only really benefits those countries that are net recipients of the EU ,net contributors like us don't really benefit ,we have more expensive goods and we take more economic refugees than most other EU countries .There's also the problem that the single market makes no account for the differences in a countries social infrastructure ,we have the NHS and a comprehensive welfare system free and open to any EU citizen because of the single market free movement rules ,where is the same system in France or Germany

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I wasn't referring to the EU but how we treat each other.

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Who is this 'we?'

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Everyone. I was referring to the difference between people who insult each other (in the gutter) and those who don't. More specifically it was just an analogy that points out 'who started it first' ultimately doesn't matter.

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So *if* you were insulting me then that means I must have called you "racist", etc. I certainly don't recall calling anyone on this forum racist so you are either mistaken or just overreacting ..

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Well, you are so fundamentally wrong. When EU fails and it will fail, do you think the single market will still exist or be worth staying in it ?

Stop thinking in such small terms as that is living in cuckoo land.

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And they haven't on here - but you still insist on doing it here.

I have been on a number of sites where the "alt-right*" members are very insulting to those who do not agree with them, but I do not treat members here badly (well, I try not to) just because they did.

(*aka fascum, a diminutive of fascist ****)

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That's not entirely accurate Hugh, that certain sore loser award recipient, you spoke of, routinely suggests the Brexiteers as uneducated on here, this can only be construed as a insulting term by a remoaner.

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The EU is suffocating us all with its over regulation and bureaucracy. We reached the point a while ago where we were better out than in.

The EU may be a big market, but the rest of the world is bigger and freer in market terms. We would be foolish not to embrace it. The 'common market' is only worthwhile to Britain if it can be accessed without tariffs and without restricting our freedoms as a country (eg to trade with whomever we please, to allow in only those we believe can contribute positively to our country without impacting negatively on our ability to support them, to throw out criminal elements from abroad who threaten our citizens, etc).

Theresa May is attempting to achieve the right balance for this country which includes a tariff free common market, which would give us the best of both worlds, and those who are attempting to obstruct her should be ashamed of themselves.

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Ok I'll bite Mick.

All I can find I have done is link to Torygraph article (that noted anti-Brexit rag) saying that those who voted remain, tended to have higher educational qualifications. That doesn't make their vote any more valid. It was just a statement of fact, not an insult.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ucated-old-an/

Certainly in no way does it equate to the regular abuse/barbs thrown at anyone on this forum that has a differing viewpoint to Brexit.

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Hope you're right Old Boy and St. Theresa is playing a very clever game where even she doesn't know that tactics...

Theresa May lacks courage to admit complexity of Brexit, say civil servants

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...y_to_clipboard
We've made so many cuts to our own governments infrastructure that it looks as though we'll find it difficult to deal with Brexit and take on all the extra tasks.

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There has been plenty of abuse thrown around since the referendum on both sides i know i've had plenty of it but not so much on here it's more suggestion and insinuation then outright and it's rare. I have tried to be polite in the debate wherever I've become involved in the debate but have slipped a few times, there is not a single thing added to this debate by insulting each other and we all need to raise the bar a bit.

Amongst most of my european friends where there was once a large majority with the view the EU was a positive thing and worth retaining it's now about 50\50 with the german contingent changing their view more then others. The UK had to deal with this issue the organisation we joined in the 1970's was worlds away from what we ended up with and the public needed a voice. Euro scepticism is on the rise in most EU member states and I don't see that stopping anytime soon the UK is far from unique in it's views on the EU.

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Love the complaint about someone using an insulting term by using a term intended as an insult ;)

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That isn't a complaint, also, a remoaner is not actually a derogatory term, it is a summary term which best describes a person who has serious issues with Brexit. I did actually cover this a while back.

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Yes, contradictions about insults, have come a few times in this thread e.g.
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...postcount=3539

They are only insults if they are in the wrong direction...

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I haven't heard remoaner used in a positive sense. It's meant as a derogatory term by others.

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With the UK out of the damned EU the rest of the world will be bigger economically and the EU represent a correspondingly smaller proportion. Without substantial reform, I know which I'd rather be part of.

As for terminology, I can think of far worse insults than 'remoaner', including a good number of unpleasant adjectives routinely levelled at the likes of Nigel Farage by some of the very same people who're now complaining about name calling. That's OK though because someone who believes in the independence of the the UK is fair game for any amount of abuse eh?... :rolleyes:

It's a well known tactic of the left to employ the most appalling abuse, intimidation and worse in pursuit of their goals whilst at the same time playing victim whenever it suits. A good deal of that is going on right now in the context of the Brexit debate.

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No it's not OK. It doesn't make personal abuse ok. What it doesn't do is justify turning that abuse against others. People are responsible for their own actions.

I think one problem is that the obvious one in that the internet dehumanises people so it's easy to talk at people in a way you would never do in person because basic empathy kicks in. The other problem is that once you put people into a 'group' then it makes that problem worse since you're not even referring to a specific person then. It allows you to concoct a caricature of the person you're arguing against in your mind and make you angry.

The 'left' is a pretty wide group of people for example, it's not one monolithic group. There is a bigger difference between people on the left than there probable is between most people in the country. The left shouldn't be defined by it's fringes anymore than the right should, less those on the right who do so are then in turn happy to be associated with the likes of Thomas Mair.

I doubt the country is as divided as it seems it's just the louder voices have hijacked the debate. Most Brexit voters probably voted with some concerns and most Remain voters probably voted with some reservations but we talk as if they're two diametrically opposed groups.

We can't stop other people doing it but we can stop ourselves doing it.

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We thought that explanation was a load of bollocks back then too :rolleyes:

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Spot on.

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Ok, don't be a coward. Who are these people on this forum who "employ the most appalling abuse, intimidation and worse in pursuit of their goals whilst at the same time playing victim whenever it suits"?

Come on name names and show us evidence of your claims?

If you can't, take the chip off your shoulder and debate the points raised like an adult ..

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So in using the term to describe yourself as you do under your forum name, you are actually making a statement about it as a derogatory term with negative connoitations?

You fooled me, I thought you were using it with admirable abandon to identify yourself as a proud 'member' of the Remain group. In fact, you may have encouraged its use on the forum being a mod and all that.

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I think everyone else saw the irony in his use of the term ... so maybe he did fool you?

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Yes he certainly did, although not sure you can speak for everyone else.

I need to become a mind reader. Like you remoaner (just being ironic ;)).

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Fair point. OK, maybe the others can say if they were fooled like you ;)

I have a request: in the spirit of fairness, what derogatory term should be used when talking about people who voted Leave? I mean, we don't want you missing out on all the hilarious fun do we?

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Derogatory terms are not encouraged on this forum young man. You should know better :)

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Brextremist :shrug:

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UK in 2030: older, more unequal and blighted by Brexit, report predicts

https://www.theguardian.com/business...y_to_clipboard

Depressing reading, you can only hope they are wrong.

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Should be used not would be used :)

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More Project Fear from a remain institution hyped up by that Liberal lefty newspaper The Guardian that doesn't want us to make a success of Brexit! When we're free of the shackles of EU red tape and the EU 27 realise that they need us more than we need them then we'all be five grand a year better off.
I'd better just get a link to prove that these so-called experts hand-picked from the global elite are in the pockets of the Remoaners so Mr K doesn't call me out. :D
Wait!
Actually, it's quite a balanced report and Brexiters will find favour with its talk about the impacts of high levels of immigration. It mentions Brexit alongside other important factors like automation and an ageing population. The article makes an interesting read.

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They are and will be !

You are depressing, keep harping on about the Country going down the pan once we leave, if you don't like reading depressing stuff, don't bloody read a biased crappy entity, such as the guardian, which, as we know by now or should do, is opposed to Brexit. Simples. :rolleyes:

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The remoaning Minnie's seem intent on trapping this previously interesting thread in their Groundhog Day of doom and gloom. Talking up failure into an art form is what they do best.

Their penchant for statistics does have merit though: the referendum accurately identifies those stuck in the past. Perhaps they would like to include Remoaner in their CV? For the irony of course.:D

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Gotta love predictions for 2030 when most experts struggle to be right a couple of years from now yet come brexit we have all these predictions of gloom how do all those countries outside the EU manage to survive. Honestly no one has the first damn clue about whats actually going to happen it's all guesswork most of it driven by whatever side they are on it's boring and predictable. Until we are out and have a trading position in place no one can predict doom and gloom or rainbows and unicorns far too many volatile factors that haven't been set yet and that ignores the problems the EU is going to have in the coming years which may end up making brexit look like a genius move on our part. The way so many remain supporters completely ignore the gaping problems the EU is facing and insist it's the only way to a prosperous future is truly incomprehensible.

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It's worth a thorough read of the article. As I explained in an earlier post, the article is not by a pro-leave or a pro-remain organisation. Many leavers in this thread have asked for independent reports. This is one such report so it deserves their attention even if some parts are not to their liking. I guess some people imagine that independent reports agree with their views. Sorry but they don't.
Yes, it's impossible to forecast perfectly so far into the future but the report does an interesting job in looking at trends like an ageing population and automation. Some things like an ageing population cannot be easily repudiated.

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Seriously - No it isn't Andrew.

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This is a report from an organisation which was neutral on Brexit. People from either side of the debate should invest time in reading it as oppose to just handpicking articles and sources that reinforce their views.
But if people don't wish to read The Guardian article itself, the report was also covered by Sky News http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-is-...finds-10710800

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I think Rizzyking nailed it by saying no-one really knows what will happen. I think reading something that is only a pessimistic foresight, just fans the flames and feeds a remoaners appetite that they want Brexit to fail.

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It's not just a pessimistic forecast, it does highlight the areas where jobs are being created.
And I don't know anyone (Brextremist or Remoaner) who wants Brexit to fail, that wild theory comes from the same people who said we send £350m each week to Brussels.
I don't think anyone wants the country to go to the dogs just to prove people wrong but many appreciate that a long-term economic price (which means less money free to be spent on the NHS, armed forces, education, infrastructure) will be paid by leaving the EU, imperfect though that organisation is.

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Your assuming a net loss over a prolonged period of time and that cannot just be assumed without knowing what trade talks we are unofficially involved with now or in the future let alone official talks once we get out. Nobody knows what measures this or any future government may take to capitalise on our greater freedom to negotiate future trade deals or to stimulate the UK economy. There are simply too many unknowns for anyone to make realistic predictions for 2030 with a straight face no matter how well worded it might be.

This is not even taking into account the feelings of many european businesses that currently trade with the UK who do not want an over penalising of trade by the EU as some punitive measure. If nothing else you can hardly be surprised that "gloom" fatigue has well and truly set in with many people. Your also wrong as there are quite a few remain supporters who would love nothing more then for the UK to fail so they can feel superior as their ego is far more important to them then anything as silly as national interest I've met quite a lot over the last few months.

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Balanced? lol!
The IPPR is simply trying to create anti-Brexit noise

:D

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That's nort what the Spectator says:

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Your really going to use an avid foaming at the mouth Brexiter like Ross Clark to show that an article is biased. :rolleyes:

In actual fact the report ,the actual report not a newspapers interpretation of the report ,is simply a musing based on current trends like Brexit,the ageing population,global warming and advancements in technology.It is simply highliting the fact that these trends will shape the world in the comming years ,Brexit being just one of them.The closing paragragh says it all

Quote:

This is the world hurtling towards us, with very different futures and modernities becoming possible. Critically, there is immense potential for technological and economic change to be shaped to create a more abundant, democratic and equal society. However, we will have to better understand how our world is changing, and by what forces those changes are driven, if we are to build that future. As David Bowie said, ‘Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming'.

http://www.ippr.org/publications/fut...n-in-the-2020s


http://www.ippr.org/news-and-media/p...-2020s-britain

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Good illustration of practical implications of applying WTO rules.

UK mobile users face return of steep roaming bills after Brexit

Google headline or subscription link at https://www.ft.com/content/b39105a0-...9-9445cac8966f

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The IPRR did not recommend people vote to leave or remain in the EU and I repeated this important point. Nothing you have posted contradicts this statement.

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These mythical creatures usually only appear in the columns of the Daily Express and the more extreme Brexiters' vivid imaginations who are seeking scapegoats for any poor economic performance. I think you must have been unfortunate enough to meet the entire population of them!
Some people may joke along these lines but people losing jobs etc is no laughing matter and when push comes to shove they will want Brexit to be as successful as it can be.

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Considerint that it's a report about the implications of brexit, it's odd (and telling) that the closing paragraph doesn't even mention brexit.

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It's not a report about the implications of brexit ,it's a report about what the UK could look like if the current trends continue ,Brexit and the current trend of anti establishment being just one part

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They are not mythical creatures don't be so stupid or do you maintain the equally stupid position that only leave has it's extremist fringe that you as well as others on this forum have ridiculed so often. There are idiots on both sides of the divide and i very much doubt I've met the entire population on the remain side anymore then I've met the entire population on the leave side. I've tried to be balanced and rational much as i could in the whole brexit thing apart from my total belief in our being better out of the EU then in but whats really starting to get up my nose is people doing their best to come across as balanced when they are anything but and clearly have an agenda examples of which can be found on both sides just like everything else.

I'd also question why nothing but gloomy rubbish makes a regular appearence in our media whilst anything positive is totally ignored. I'm not sure there is any point in anymore debate until we have something new to debate apparently we should around march time.

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I am using it ironically or sarcastically. As I said it think it's obviously meant to be a disparaging term but I am not one for easily getting triggered or taking offence (which might also be why I am less likely to see why Brexit supporters are offended when someone says something disparaging).

Negative news sells. Ebola was a big crisis until it wasn't and suddenly it didn't matter anymore. You wonder how many massive problems we've had which we were quietly solved and we simply forgot. It's not unique to Brexit anyway, the EU ways always the recipient of bad news too.

Agreed.

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Fair enough. If I use the term in future it will be for the irony ;). To be honest though, I'm calling it a day on this thread, it has nothing more to say.

Remoaning and out.

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Sorry, I intended to phrase that better, something like mainly mythical creatures. I maintain that these rare individuals - none of whom I've met - will want it to be as successful as it can be.
I've not ridiculed anyone or even called them stupid. I prefer to focus on the issues.
The latest being another legal challenge:

The Guardian Fresh Brexit challenge in high court over leaving single market and EEA
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...gle-market-eea

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Brexit transition deal may avert UK economic ‘catastrophe’
It will be “totally impossible” for Britain to wrap up a trade pact with the EU within two years and a transition deal will be needed to avert “a catastrophe” for the British economy, according to one of the EU’s most eminent lawyers.

Jean-Claude Piris, the head of the EU Council’s legal service from 1988-2010, said a trade deal would comprise “thousands of pages and hundreds of articles” and there was no chance of it being completed before a scheduled Brexit in 2019.

The comments by Mr Piris, the legal architect of a succession of EU treaties from Maastricht to Lisbon, directly contradict claims by Theresa May, Britain’s prime minister, that both a divorce deal and a trade accord can be signed within two years of Article 50 being triggered.

Google headline or subscriber link https://www.ft.com/content/5b423566-...3-7e34c07b46ef

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Well Jean-Claude Piris can feck right off (imHo) :D

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Indeed. As a committed Europhile I would not have expected any other response.

TBQH I would stop all this sodding about and just leave. This would give the clarity that industry needs and a 2 year period to prepare for it.

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Exactly. I'm sure that if we just invoked article 50 the EU would suddenly sit up and say "oh sh*t, we need the UK" and knuckle down to a deal.