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So a headline like " The Perfect Storm " could be looming ;)

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dave will probably extend the voting time by two days to encourage his followers to get off the sofa .

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A nation of scroungers? Where the hell did that come from?

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Don't worry if leave win the result will be void due to London having bad weather.

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We have a Labour/Plaid government that loves EU handouts, keep people in poverty and they keep voting Labour.

My local area has been Labour controlled for almost 100 years, they get voted in and almost everyone except those who work for them complains about them, election time comes around again and they vote them in again, almost everyone complains....... you can guess the rest, repeat cycle over and over.

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I think you are right about Wales voting remain. My area, NorthEast England however are likely to vote leave. There's around 15 million in what is known as NE England. I'd say anything between Newcastle and Middlesboro and across to the Pennines was North East England but what do I know?

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well, Sunderland are supposed to be declaring first, so we'll see if you're right Brian. Personally I think the only region that will vote Brexit will be SE England and who cares about them ;)

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LOL. My wife is from SE England. Yes Sunderland are usually first. That's about the only first we'll get. Certainly won't be the Premier League.

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I don't want to derail this thread; I tried to get discussion going on the faith thread regarding the EU. That seems the most appropriate place for it?

We're talking about leaders here, not the people who work in the EU.

The aim of some of the leaders of the EU is global government, and to them, the EU is a stepping stone along that route. Biblically we know that in the end times we will have global government, with a leader powered by the devil. Therefore there is a spiritual link between the elitists pushing for global government and those actually running the EU. Babylon was the first attempt at global government.

Germany has the Babylonian Ishtar gate, with links to occult deities; No one questions which country really runs the EU. The Bible is very clear that any occult idols or symbols should be removed because their presence can invite in demonic influence.

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The Ishtar Gate & Deities The Ishtar Gate is named so, because it was dedicated to the Babylonian goddess Ishtar, although Nebuchadnezzar pays homage to other Babylonian deities through various animal representations. The animals represented on the gate are young bulls (aurochs), lions, and dragons (sirrush). These animals are symbolic representations of certain deities: lions are often associated with Ishtar, bulls with Adad, and dragons with Marduk. Respectively, Ishtar was a goddess of fertility, love, war, and sex, Adad was a weather god, and Marduk was the chief or national god of Babylon.

The question remains: Why would the EU purposely decide to put symbols associated with Babylon in their buildings and posters and include symbols commonly associated with the occult?

From the book of Revelation speaking of end times:

Revelation 18:3-5New International Version (NIV)
3 For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”

Warning to Escape Babylon’s Judgment

4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
“‘Come out of her, my people,’[a]
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
5 for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes

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Why anyone would wish to bring religion into a political debate is beyond me.

Old rule, "Never argue about religion or politics" seems to fit.

Whatever there's only 2 1/2 hrs before the polls close and we will get the result soon. Either in or out the will of the people will prevail and we must accept it.

As an aside this was posted by a Texan friend of mine on a site I Admin

"Being a native born Texan, I've long had a romantic affection for the idea of Texas seceding from the Union & becoming an independent nation of its own. Most Texans are fiercely independent & most feel the same way, but due to the immigration of so may Californians, fleeing their oppressive state government with ever increasing taxes & regulation, & Michiganders, fleeing their failed economy due to the loss of the manufacturing industry, our population has become quite diluted with Liberal minded folks who flee the damage they've caused in their home states, to a state that doesn't suffer those ills, only to immediately begin supporting precisely the same policies that ruined their state of origin.

It seems Great Britain may be suffering the same plight. I don't know much at all about the internal issues of GB. I only known what I see & hear on TV & the Internet, most of which is skewed one way or the other & hardly unbiased. So, I'm not sure what to think of Brexit, though, deep down, I favor any people who love independence & have a desire to 'make it on their own' & run their lives themselves.

There has been an active secession drive ongoing in Texas for years, called The Texas Nationalist Movement (TNM). I'm a contributor, though of late, I've become a bit disillusioned by comments coming from the upper echelons on their vision of a free Texas. They're starting to sound a bit Utopian & I fear they've been bitten by the bug to trend away from what made the United States the most successful nation in the history of the world, until recently, that is."

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Wow,

Reading your current posts and your post history you are the most hateful biggoted person I have come across in maybe 5 years.

Your anti English racist comments appear to go unpunished, just go and read your own posting history.

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Being anti-English/British is, sadly, fashionable amongst some sad folks, just like skinny jeans. They wear it like a badge of honour and it's OK because they feel it makes them look like exactly what they're not. It's cool to indulge in puerile stereotyping just as long as you're targeting your own...

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You're not related to somebody called 'Tweddle' are you? Your posting style is strangely similar and you joined at the same time he left/was booted out!

As for anti English, I'm just anti the self interested elite that are behind Brexit; fortunately the campaign has exposed them for what they are, and the public have seen through it.

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As it happens i haven't seen you write a good thing about Britain in any thread you take part in ,i even commented on it a few pages back

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I guess tweddle disagreed with you? Yes that's right There is only one person on earth could possibly disagree with you lolol........

No my names Mark I love F1 and I'm A red bull fan. Hence the name.

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What about the self interested Elite in the Remain camp? Are you Anti them too?

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Ooops! Better shut this thread down then; way too political for me :D

Because religion, or more correctly, the spiritual battle going on behind the scenes, is more relevant to what is happening politically around the world today, than you can imagine.

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I'm glad I decided to follow my own religion and vote to leave... :)

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No, it's the religious beliefs of certain people around the world today.

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This referendum has empowered the silent many, it's has made many British realise pride in your nation is not racist. Both sides were vile, but remain were hurt the most.

When push came to shove remain voters exposed themselves!

Whatever the result, Neither side can take back things they have said thanks to the Internet. Thankfully it looks like Leave will win. KEEP VOTNG LEAVERS!!!!

This referendum has left British politics In a vile mess, UKIP May well take advantage!

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Methinks thow doth protest too much Twaddle;)

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Well l have just spoken to my parents and all the family have voted today and 4 voted to remain and 4 voted to leave so its pretty much split down the middle with our family.:)

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No, I just replied to a question you asked, had I ignored it you would of stated my silence proved my guilt.

I suspect you have an agenda to get me removed, such a shame you feel the need to do this.

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that'll make xmas lunch interesting this year;)

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The Remainers called police on woman who was lending out pen to voters. so the government couldn't rub the Leave out and change it to Remain!


http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...=mailsignoutmd

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Not really papa as we generally have amicable reasoned conversations about many important issues of the day when we all get together.

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We are probably going to remain, but a huge portion of British citizens feel a sense of being united like never before. So things are going to change, I suspect labour will be the biggest losers in a remain vote, and UKIP the biggest winner.

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In our family we just fight over our differences.

not really. we all hate the same things and same people :D

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There was actually some comments about the use of pencils at my polling station too. A trust worthy lot, aren't we.

I think this will be all down to demographics and the grey votes rules!!

Take a look at the link below, but roughly 20% of the population is under 18 and can't vote. A few % are over 80 and may not be able to vote. I think a majority of people over 40 will vote leave, which gives a figure of roughly 44% and those between 18-40 is under 40% of the population who may vote remain.

If, as in Scotland, 16-17 years could've voted, that would've been key.

I think this result will be pretty clear cut and it will be for leave and my local bookies will be very, very, happy if I am wrong!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...#Age_structure

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Does the Good Book not also tell you not to get involved in Politics as these people are put there by God and will have to face His judgement?

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In our family, we had (Scots) 2 for Remain [because Tories...] I know...
Rest: 5 for Leave

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Our Family in this house are 4 for leave. Think my parents and brothers are for leave too so it's pretty unanimous.

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You're very lucky Den, I'm from a family of 5 daughters and 4 sons. We have family members who have converted to Islam, we have Jamaicans married into our family, with have Spanish married into the family and all that is not even going into sexuality as I believe that is not important.

But let me tell you, we have some heated intense uncivil debates when we are all together and I would not change it for the world.

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Send those two back to their homeland.;):D

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They're going on Monday :D (damned postal votes lol)

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I know quite a few Scots and I think the result up there won't be as clear as everyone thinks. Most of the Scots I know are voting leave, so I await the results from Scotland with interest.

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The Leavers car was driving around blasting Coloney Bogey March earlier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB8F8g1-4Uw

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It tells us their is a spiritual battle going on and we need to resist the devil.

I know the devil is behind the move to world government (and at some time in the future it will happen), and I know there is a link behind a United States of Europe and a future world government, so I figure I resist the devil by voting against a United States of Europe :)

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Your religion has no place in this discussion and if you voted on that basis I feel very sorry for you.

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you might find this interesting

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/...ays-David-Icke

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because in the UK you vote for a party and the party manifesto, not for an individual like in the US.

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Well we might have an idea in 20 mins. Good luck everyone.

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:wtf:

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Have you ever tried to rub out those pencils? They are water proof so stand a better chance of surving a pen in event of ballot papers getting wet.

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You can use a pen but the reason they don't want a pen to remain in the booth (or be lent out) is in case of invisible ink being used. They can't rub out votes because they're opened in public.

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I'm not sure where David Ike is coming from, so don't watch his videos, of which there seem to be quite a few of on Youtube concerning the EU.

I stick to people who have a solid Biblical perspective. Jesus warned us that many false prophets would come towards the end, warning that even some of the Elect would be deceived. I may be doing him an injustice, and I am very sorry if I am, but I seem to recall that he had some pretty weird ideas years ago. Of course, he may have changed and accepted Jesus as his Saviour?

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Can we not have religion in this thread and talk of the devil seriously there are no shortage of threads for those types of discussion and this isn't one. Our local polling station was absolutely manic when I went up with a neighbour had to queue to get in the building never ever had that before in nearly 30 years of voting. If there is as it appears to be a high turnout for this referendum then our political class have to see they are the problem in elections with low turnout as this referendum shows the British are not politically apathetic they just need to have something they believe in to vote.

Stay in or leave (please please leave win) we need serious change in the uk or either path we voted today will be littered with problems if we don't have the right people handling things. If nothing else comes from this referendum it has finished Cameron and Osbourne so a decent start there now just got to clear the rest of the professional politicians out and get ordinary decent people into political positions.

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I'm not going to read the Christian articles about Tower of Babel and other signs of the evils of the EU/Congress/other institute in the sight for that time, I've heard it all before.

I'm not saying that (some of) it is wrong, it may even be all true but the attitude of those that bring these things to light is not usually very loving or helpful.

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Farage thinks remain to "edge it" Farage is not going away.

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YouGov say remain win with 52%.

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YouGov say that's their final poll and it's not a prediction. Tonight will be close.

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I also voted out because I believe Britain should have complete control of laws, taxes and borders etc. under the control a parliament that can be elected and unelected by British people alone. I feel sure that I've posted that elsewhere in the thread.

But the post seemed to be asking for spiritual reasons.

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But it is those spiritual forces that are making the EU "a more liberal and secular Europe", one of the reasons you stated as a reason for voting out. And I agree with you, the EU is having an influence on Britain; all the more reason for breaking any spiritual ties.

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I have no idea what just happened to the thread. That Jesus bloke managed to make an appearance. If he brings One Direction.. Then I'm out.

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Leave are getting massive postal votes....

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Eh?

Postal voters voting leave?

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BBC tweet suggest 62% for leave in Sunderland. That would suggest leave winning big overall

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Farage implying vote is rigged shocking

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Source?

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We can but hope, a leave win is not just the first step for us to improve the uk but also the first step for millions in Europe to get the same vote and collapse the EU. After that's gone we can start rebuilding something across Europe that is far more democratic and accountable to the people of Europe and doesn't have the goal of a federal Europe.

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Source?

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he was on both bbc and sky given a speech

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Newcastle isn't as strongly remain as expected either. Remain are in big trouble now, betting markets going away from them too

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I don't understand it? Sunderland voting leave suggests a big leave vote overall? I don't fully understand how this pans out. Just seem to be watching a pretending I know...

I mean I assumed Sunderland would vote leave because its overun with chavs and a corrupt police force forever ruining a potentially nice city and annoying the genuine people. That's a stereotype but trust me I've been. It didn't have the worst council estate in the country for nothing. Naturally not everyone voted leave because they're a yob but I'm sure the Facebook warriors posting 'We're voting leave because we're tired of 'racial slur' explicit and so forth' helped boost those figures.

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I remembered the issue at the time.

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#IVotedLeave is trending on twitter with over 100k tweets.

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Sunderland has come along and messed with any predictions.

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Remain is collapsing on the betting markets, leave seem to have done it

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Relax Damien. Leave have won by a majority. a poll down the street represents the rest of Britain.

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It's very early days, but Remain ought to have done better in Newcastle and Leave has done a tad better than expected in Sunderland. There is also apparently a slightly low turnout in Scotland, which is likely to deprive Remain of more votes than it would for Leave.

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Indeed and the Newcastle vote is more interesting than Sunderland for the reason you say. It was meant to be a strong remain area and they only just won it.

That comment on the BBC about the millions of postal votes I think blew everything wide open in that they're meant to be older voters all voting leave.

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Rumours of massive Leave votes in Warwickshire ...

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And elsewhere!!!

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Best wait until they've counted the postal votes.;)

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That'll only make the Leave vote bigger, as postal votes are disproportionately the plaything of pensioners who are more likely to be leavers.

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Here comes Swindon ...

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Leave has it

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Leave is 10,500 to the good in Swindon.

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Not what I was alluding to. The outcome of presidential vote in Austria was "changed" by the postal votes.

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Portsmouth and Southampton originally projected at 50/50 now looking like 60/40 for Leave.

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Damien will remember his team being 4-0 up once and drawing the game. Remain clearly need a Tiote right now. :erm:

Oh and Trump is running for the White House... Are these signs Harold Camping warned us of? On the wrong date every time. After taking everyone's money and of course never giving it back.

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Normally I'm a day trader, but there's no going to bed tonight!

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BBC say leave will win Yorkshire/Leeds areas.

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I'm hooked. Should have been in bed at least a hour ago :D

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Would the North East heavily favouring leave be a Surprise? I get the Newcastle one was close but was Sunderland expected to be anything other than a landslide? Notorious Tory haters. As reported earlier in interviews. People that haven't voted since Thatcher have turned out to get one over.

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Am I being dim or is the statement of "16.8 million votes needed to win referendum" nonsense when there may of only been 23 people that went out to vote?

where's he got 16.8 million from?

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Turnout percentage vs those registered?

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A long way to go yet.

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Would've been interesting if the vote was hypothetical in nature. IE Vote on the issues, but wouldn't necessarily leave the EU. How many people agreed with "Leave", but voted "Remain" scared of the possible impact?

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That's why this vote is so interesting. It's not Conservative vs Labour, but more the People vs The Establishment.

And just as I type this, the BBC think Hartlepool, a strong labour area, will vote strongly leave.

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I think Labour are using the scenario of people voting against the Tory government as an excuse. They have completely lost any sense of where working class Labour voters are coming from and how much they dislike interference from the EU.

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WTF is she up to! lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/JOHNROB79...862337/video/1

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Leave now favourites with Betfair

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FTSE 100 down almost 6%, Pound down almost 5%.

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Starting to look like leave might have pulled it off.

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As I predicted, it seems that whatever is decided will be close (according to BBC forecasts).

If people have voted to remain, no matter how small the margin, that will be the end of the matter as it will be a case of "The people have spoken".

If people have voted to leave, I think that Cameron will invite the leaders of the main opposition parties for talks upon the best way to deal with the situation.

Their 'united' response could be to say that the margin was so close that it would not be worth the risk of leaving, so they will "put the country first".

Alternatively, the PM may go back to the EU and say that the public need more concessions to convince them to vote the 'correct' way. After these concessions have been agreed, the PM could either hold another referendum or say that as it was such a close vote that the concessions will be deemed to be enough to satisfy the majority of people.

To summarise, I think that a remain victory will be accepted as evidence that the public wish to remain.

A leave victory will be treated as 'work in progress' until they can either spin the leave decision to mean exactly the opposite or tinker with the rules (immigration, benefits etc) until the public finally accept that remaining is for the best.

I believe that Cameron only scraped into power by promising this referendum, but it will probably be his downfall one way or another- but I very much doubt that we will be leaving the EU, regardless of the result of the referendum.

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Gone back the other way now with remain in lead with their Glasgow and S.London wins.

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Pound on track for the largest slump in history...

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... it had recovered, now changed again.

I'm either gonna make a lot of money tonight, or it'll be baked beans for dinner for a long time.... I still think that England (not London which is majority foreign) will vote leave and that's where my dosh is. Although I have hedged just in case.

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If remain wins with less then 500k I think that mistake of sending votes out to people who shouldn't have voted is going to cause a big problem.

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Remain leading again...

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G.Manchester/North West areas, Labour strongholds, strongly showing in the leave camp.

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"You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave" (Hotel California as quoted by Yanis Varoufakis)

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Leave is doing better than expected atm.

The winning post is 16.8 million, leave passed the halfway mark (8.4m) first.

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Absolutely.

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...and if leave wins it will be an excellent excuse for the Government to declare the result as unsafe so that they can ignore it.

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I think if the government attempts to nullify this referendum there will be big trouble likewise this referendum has been so heated the usual EU tactic of insisting on another referendum will also not be acceptable. Those 500k "mistakes" were seen as likely remain voters so it's not a thing the government can really use and not be accused of shenanigans.