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That Evra/Suarez thing needs to be put to bed. they both have faces id love to smash. sorry but their both annoying more so Evra before all this crap.

Mark I was gunning for Lyon to exit. the clubs in a bit of a limbo. their a good side though.

Messi is just on another planet and the way Barca play real football is joy to behold. shame it often turns into a panto!

Stevenage missed their chance to progress in the first leg. iirc they had the better chances at the death of that 1st tie.

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Sir Alex Ferguson furious as Paul Pogba signs for Juventus

http://www.thenational.ae/sport/foot...s-for-juventus

:dunce:

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Neymar stars as Santos beat Internacional 3-1 [hattrick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoKFj...layer_embedded

this guys going to run riot when he explores europe

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Sporting win 1 nil against City.. 2nd legs in Manchester...

Bilbao level before HT against Utd.. thats an interesting away goal theyve got...

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Bilbao were excellent, United will not come back from this I don't think.
United 2 Bilbao 3
MOM for United............DeGea

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2-6 on agg.. shocker.

where is everyone :erm:

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Both City & United gave the ball away far too much...

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You have to hold your hands up, United actually played far better than they did on Sunday against Spurs but Bilbao were on fire, second goal marginally offside but they could have had a bagful, no shame to lose to a team playing like that.

Jim.

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Best team we have played against all season without question in my opinion.

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for the first time in awhile we came up against a team prepared to put us under pressure and really attack us.

We didn't have much midfield and it showed with the amount of ball we had.

Park and Hernandez just didn't do enough on the night and a few others could have put in more effort.

First thing I read about Pogba, will be interesting to see if he does anything at Juve

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wrong :dunce:

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I only saw the highlights, but it looked like 2-6 would have been more appropriate? Bloody Shooting Gallery, and not much shooting by Man U?

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United seem very prone to conceding goals again and again their midfield is sub standard.

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In some games we have no midfield at all. I've said before we are lucky the standard in the league has slipped over the past few years which has meant we can still challenge for the title despite being so poor.

Everyone can see it apart from Fergie it seems

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Yes Ferguson must be blind if he cannot see how poor their midfield is.

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I did wonder once if Fergie was hampered by the Glaziers and the debt. He's not stupid enough to speak out against them and lose his job but I wonder if we had no debt and were still a PLC would be still be fielding some of the dross we have to put up with

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I think it's a case of if United are able to scrape victories with the crap we've been using over the last 2 or 3 seasons then what's the point of spending £10 or £20m on new players.

I know SAF has said that if the right player is identified then the Glaziers will make the funds available but I have a feeling that it comes with unspoken pressure which says to only spend that money if there is no other option.

And while we flatulently win league titles with second-rate players then that will always be an option. We've been lucky over the last few years because no other team has looked dangerous enough to overtake us, and that has only reinforced the policy.

In a way I'm glad Man City have bought the title this year, hopefully it will be the wake-up call the Glaziers need. Sadly I can't see it happening though as despite our numerous sub-standard performances, we're still 2 points behind the top spot. As much as I hate to say this, I'd prefer we finish 5th or 6th. THAT would force a revolt.

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The glazer are a issue, they need should sell up, the owners of Man City should have bought Man U insted!

Also Fergie gets on quite well with its owners

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more recently Qatar was having a sniff..

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Are they willing to buy and how much are they worth?

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Qatar? their mega rich. they brought French side PSG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_Investment_Authority

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Since they own PSG, would UEFA force them to sell PSG if they buy Man U?

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i'm not sure

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Personally l cannot see them buying Man Utd.

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The sooer the Glazers sell the better

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Then the problems is who do you replace them with.

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Either as a PLC or to a owner who is more intrested in the club

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City will move the game on, if not this season then the one after. Once that happens can't see us living with them.

Not a fan of all these rich owners coming in buying the league in the end they will all go and then where will all the clubs be then

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There will eithe be gone or be in a European Super League, until they will spend huge amounts stadiums, training grounds, mangaers and players and them sack them! :D

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But we already have a European Super League via the Champions league and that is good enough for most people.

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I meant one that will cosist only the top clubs of Europe (who will leave their national leagues)

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17230886

And the question now must be who is next?

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please stop Alan. this has been widely debated already to which it firmly got scrapped. the EPL is healthy.. the euro comps CL and EL are good.. changes need to be made with technology.. goal line... a 5th offical having a tv set.. ref rulings where by authorties can over rule a refs desicion even if he saw it/put it in his report etc. etc.

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So why are so many clubs in financial trouble (becuase of their attempts to beat the major clubs) and why do have have to pay this guy to see a football game in the UK?

http://news4theworld.com/wp-content/...es-Murdoch.jpg

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some managers find cheap gems. most throw money. theres the support side too. some team fail to find revenue.. others dont. theres a whole wide range of issues..

the english premier league is extremely attractive and wealthy because the stadiums are filled. i cant remember the percentage but its high. thats mirrors with the appeal of the league and certain clubs, tv rights etc. which go through the authorties of the game. then come the owners/wealthy people with their cash.

its complex.. moving to some euro elite leagues solves nothing.. paper over the cracks is pointless. the issues are deeper

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But the EPL is dominated by the major clubs, much to the expence to the other Premier/Football League clubs

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it can change though. i hate to say it but look at tottenham.. low wage bills.. can improve but it takes stability to do that. newcastle too.. can the two teams carry it on and improve? or clubs just throw money from the get go.. even those at the bottom middle whatever.

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We will wait and see...

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most leagues in Europe and even the rest of the world are the same though. Dominated by the same few clubs.

Spain - Real and Barca
Portugal - The Lisbon and Porto clubs
Holland - The Amsterdam and Rotterdam clubs

It's the same all over the place and the only time it seems to change these days is when a rich owner takes over club

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or manager or players. thats if your talking simply get in amongst the top teams rather than total money domination. the latter contridicting the whole 'debate'..

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17317047

l suspect Arsenal fans will be glad to hear this.

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Sherer, in Holland the teams are not Ajax or Feyenoord anymore and havent been for a while now.

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But then reaching three champions league finals in four years tells a different story. Obviously this season is a different matter, we were caught out, especially at home in europe. The number of injuries in the period we played the group games didn't help either. I think we are only one or two players away from having an excellent team.

As for the Europa league, i think its quite clear the team and Ferguson don't really care. The league is by far the priority (as it should be). I'm suprised to see that some people think he may rest a few players on sunday against west brom for the game against bilbao. I would be shocked if it even comes into his head to do that.

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Great point. Newcastle not so long ago had one of the biggest wage bills in the league and were massively underachieving for the value and wage of the team. They threw money at 'Big' players that turned into major flops and disasters (Luque, Owen, Boumsong) Then relegation came which was probably the greatest thing to happen to Newcastle United for a long time! The debt was reduced, wages dropped and as you seen with the Championship that season it was a riot. Then they offloaded players on stupid wages and bought players cheap or free that turned into the squad today. A risk was taken with Demba Ba but that paid off massively. All Newcastle need to do now is continue to bring in worthy players and keep aiming for stability like Spurs have done over the years. It will take time but we are enjoying the season we are having and a result on Monday would keep us chasing not just the Europa League but the Champions League too.

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i know im being nice and all but come on. dont get carried away ;)

whats newcastles financial state adz.. can you share any info thats been released, found on forums, supporters trusts?

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your debt isn't as much as I thought it would be, it is high of course as is any debt but still viable

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Sadly, though thay still have an idiot of an owner who cares nothing about the club (take the renaming of St James Park for example)

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I reckon he's learning and as for naming rights, dude I know it shouldn't be done this and that but its a way to clear debt. Like I said he seems to be learning now but Adz will know more though being a fan.

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If they were building a new staduim then they can call it what they like, but that ground is a historic one, along with its name

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well Newcastle have made some bent moves, as Adz mentioned handing out huge salaries etc. they now seem to be getting back on track so it may just be one of those things you have to accept to aid getting back on the right path.

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Lets hope they sort out the "new" name for that ground

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Different types of Newcastle supporters will tell you different stories. What Mike Ashley has done thus far was necessary to keep Newcastle afloat. He pumped millions of interest free loans into the club and Supporters didn't criticise that. It was the Kevin Keegan resignation that got people riled and all because apparently Kev wasn't getting everything his own way regarding transfers. I'll be the first to say when he came back he sounded delusional and I could swear he thought he was managing Manchester United with talks over Thierry Henry and other players that wouldn't associate themselves with this club in a million years.

Then the sacking of Chris Hughton brought more hatred towards the Ashley regime and he appointed Pardew whom many questioned his ability compared to that of Hughton. Ashley then made it clear with the Andy Carroll transfer that if you don't want to be here then there's the door and brought in a massive £35million in one of the best bits of business in British transfer history if you look at how it's turned out.

Signings such as Cabaye, Ba, Ben Arfa, Santon, Marveux and Cissé for less money than what Newcastle sold Carroll for is amazing alone. 6 quality players that have done their part this season in a massive way. We have now built a squad capable of actually competing with the top teams for once. With all that talk of £35 million to spend.. Some delusional geordies (The were gonna win the league) ones need to realise that £35 million does not mean it's going to be blown on a single player or even two players, it was invested and so far invested well with the announcement of Newcastle's youth system being scrapped in the summer and millions of pounds are to be spent in bringing talent from different countries to rebuild that from the ground up.

The stadium re-naming is a big disappointment but yet may turn out to be nothing with little to no interest in anyone wanting to take rights of the stadium name. The hatred for Ashley died down some time ago bar the Chav's and Yob's at games that rip hoarding's down and vandalise the stadium over such matter, this is not the right way to do things.

To cap it all of, If Newcastle supporters are angry at the way things have turned out, just take a good look at the league position and the financial status of our club. Freddy Shepherd and his habit of spending money on crap would have ran it straight into the ground if he had kept going.

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The decision by Rangers players to take a 75% pay cut, is something that all clubs should do to prevent clubs going bust.

The amount of money players get is a disgrace for playing 180 minutes of football per week, Some players are on 250k per week. Are they worth that much to kick a ball full of air.

I blame tv companies for adding to the list for paying £50/60.000 per game to the clubs, Clubs should show an example to the fans by saying, for the entire season we will charge the fans £20.00 entrance fee to watch ANY game for a whole season.

PL clubs should also cough up money to help lower league clubs, as this is where they get future stars players from to enrich there teams.

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thats really interesting. would you say Mike Ashley is finally learning or someone or people at the club are learning striving forward?

wheres this Mr Shepherd now?

the youth system you speak of, could you explain that a little better please mate, I did fully understand.

true but it takes a massive blow for it to come to the point where players accept a pay cut within contract.

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TheSun probe Roman Abramovich, 2billion pumped into Chelsea > http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...n-Chelsea.html

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Well we shall see what comes of it thenry.

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Liverpool defeated at Sunderland and Everton beat Tottenham. I think its safe to say its now nicely set up for Tuesday nights Merseyside derby

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Very disappointing to say the least.:(:td:

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Kenny played a youngster today in defence. do you know much about him? he didnt have a good game at all and carra was on the bench.

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1-0 Den mate ;) and you can watch it on red button later on football first thought you team where very poor today and suarez is a bloody cheat dives all the time

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Well l shall miss it as l am travelling back to good old Devon early in the morning so a early night will suffice for me tonight.:D

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well have a safe journey and let hope we both celebrating wins in next weekends quarter finals of fa cup mate

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Thank you kindly Dave and a semi final clash awaits.:)

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Hoping this isn't true but given Mancini has started to make noises about it...

http://www.thenational.ae/sport/foot...bin-van-persie

If this happens then I really don't see the point in following the league anymore, given the amount of talent Man City already have upfront the idea they will continue to spent millions buying them makes me think they are just stockpiling players so others don't get them.

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i dont think they can nab Van Persie. i think Mancinis ruled this out himself anyway.

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Really? His comments in the week seemed to rule himself in.

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he said hes always looking as he always does but clearly said he thinks Van Persie will sign a new contract with Arsenal. i cant remember if he said the same about nasri. he was pretty straight up about it.

you heard about Jack getting stick because he answered one of Ian Wrights questions on twitter.. CL with Arsenal or World Cup with England.. Jack answered World Cup as you would if asked between the two.. its massive!

and Van Persie has two pieces in thesun i think.. the Milan defeat and 3rd place. i havent read them but seen the links to both.

a photoshop pic of van persie with his coat held over his shoulder with the inside emirates as the background... make what you will of that ? im posting from my phone, google 'van persie thesun' - search options last 24hours

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As Van Persie is being paid for the article (READ ALL ABOUT IT ... Robin van Persie signs for The Sun)
, I'm not surprised he says that, and even if he wasn't being paid, what else would he say but...3-4 was great result...we will get 3rd place

It would be more of a news story if he said the opposite :D

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Somehow l cannot see him joining Man City and l think he will show his loyalty to Arsenal and sign a new contract soon.

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That is if arsenal show loyalty in him denphone and if robin thinks the club are doing everything possible to bring some new talent in

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Normally you can discount about 90% of stories about transfers...as it is usually papers trying to generate interest and speculating

But when it involves lots of money..can be true..(truer) as everyone (most) likes more money :D

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And l think they will do both Doc.:)

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That would be a wonderful purchase by Wenger and would also send a very good message to the supporters that Arsenal are still big players for the future.

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If Arsenal buy a few more, I'd argue they could afford to sell Van Persie, and reinvest in a player or two.

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That did cross my mind too :tu:

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But why sell someone who is a absolute legend and also the scorer of a considerable amount of Arsenal goals.

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Didn't they say that about Henry?

teams move on..and sometimes it makes sense, both for the player and the team

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Problems is since Henry and several others players moved on Arsenal have won sod all so l think that is a message in itself.

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And here is the proof of speculation :)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...l-striker.html

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Henry went when Dein left, thats what sealed the move or whats been said. he was being paid a huge amount by Arsenal before he set off to Barca. anyway that was, looking back good business with what was coming through.

The thing with the Gotze story is his dads ruled out the move sometime ago. Its all to do with whats at Arsenal, the issue we all know of.. useless players that need shifting in favour of quality. tell you the truth i cant see Gotze signing. Hes a major part of the Dortmund setup, they will required a big chunk of money plus he'll go to the euros, thatll just inflate the fee even more. This is a bit like the Hazard link although he wants to come but its the fee which stops me believing itll happen.

Arsenal will save/generate a decent amount clearing the average out in transfer fees but more in wages seeing as their all on huge contracts for their talent (to date).
Van Persie can be offered a nice contract as well as getting others in.

Id like Arsenal to sign Hoilett from Blackburn, he's out of contract free to sign anywhere this summer i think. theres kalou on a free. gourcuff who'll for sure leave lyon for a cut fee, hes mentally like podolskis, infact his game is too by that i mean mood swings needs to be settled which Wenger cures.
Jan Vertonghen, M'Vila both players that could cost a huge amount but theres a chance they could go through cheaper than expected.

My point being theres a lot that can be done. we'll see just how ruthless Arsenal are this summer.

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Well Russ is going to be a happy chap today as results are certainly going his way.

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Swansea, oh Swansea, oh City said I,
I'll be following Swansea, til the day I die!!!

Greatest ever result in the club's history! And as a United fan I won't be complaining!!

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ouch! well done Swansea.

that said this may backfire for Arsenal. This will just add to the medias fuel for Van Persie stories :(

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One of the poorer United sides but odds on to win the title now methinks.:)

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/03/25.gif

Swansea's GOAL vs Manchester City!! 1-0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8He83...ayer_embedded#!

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Gotze's dad didn't rule it out, he said he wasn't sure, and it doesn't really amount to much what he said anyway.

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http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...act-at-arsenal




Not sure some Arsenal fans will be enamoured with this news.

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Nah Rosicky is a useful squad player and this comes after a good run of form.

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hes doing well at the moment but the question is when Jacks back, Ramseys fresh and Rosickys benched will he be able to perform coming off the bench say after a run of games not featuring? i'm not too sure but ye if he can then good squad player. i want to know how much he's on.

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den ?

http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...-a-possibility

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So would you describe Mike Ashley (as a Newcastle owner) as like Marmite?

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There is no chance those players will accept any wage cut, they have lavish lifestyles to maintain

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All that and they still find it hard to match Man U :D

Clearly he should have bought Man U instead

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When Roman came along and pumped his millions in to Chelsea, their fans were adamant that he wasn’t “buying success”.

So what happened, they instantly found success. And when he stopped spending stupid money on players, the success dried up.

So yes, Chelsea tried to buy instant success in exactly the same way Man City are trying to do now

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How about every club has same amount of money to spend...and best team wins

That would stop the arguments aboutr mine is bigger than your one

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Yes a excellent idea Colin.

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Well two goals in a minute at the Emirates.:D

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and one at the death of the game :D

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It's called Wenger time :D

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Actually it's called Krul time. Scored in one of the many minutes added on because of his timewasting. That's what that mini-fight was about at the end (or so I hear, I was in the stadium) RVP pointed that out to him. He was wasting time from the first half! Not even QPR, Blackburn or Swansea came to waste time and try and get a draw. Justice.

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Sorry. I guess that was rather Krul...

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Maybe you now know how United fans feel after all those "Fergie Time" accusations, but we didn't make excuses.............wasting time in the first half? ... give over.

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He was wasting time in the first half. I was there. He was spending ages over the goal kicks and continued to do so in the second half. Obviously the first half didn't count in the second half but if Pardew is complaining about the 5 minutes he should ask his keeper, they were completely justified.

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It appears that was what caused the Van Persie tiff. After the goal the Sky cameras should RVP pointing at his (metaphorical) watch and is alleged to have said 'Time waste now'. This followed on from a minor argument between the two after the first half.

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yup but it all paid off with our winner. Rosicky stepped up i honestly thought he lost his class but thats obviously wrong. his form before today was boarderline ok for what we have but as mentioned hes stepped up, keep it up.
Theo got on with it today. think less for him me thinks just do it like the kit tick says :D
Wengers Rosicky, Ox subs nearly backfired again! but we managed to get what we deserved nonetheless.

Pardew should be thankful his side didnt get spanked with us missing a handful of chances.

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Ah whatever. It almost worked. Newcastle have some great attacking talent, I don't know what happened in the second half because they weren't the same but Ben Afra and Ba especially are talented players.

Arsenal have a really hard game next week, at Everton. Will be happy with a draw there I think.