Cable Forum - UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

The European Parliament and the Council on Friday reached agreements on final details of the EU’s next €26 billion education programme Erasmus+, and funding of almost €3 billion for the European Institute of Innovation and Technology (EIT).
In parallel, the agreement of the next research programme, Horizon Europe was finalised. EIT’s €3 billion includes a €279 million top up from a €4 billion pot of antitrust fines.

That's 4bn more than planned at the start of this year, and 2bn more than in May. Instead they've increased the budget for it.

RichardCoulter

24-12-2020 20:15

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36063711)

ZOMG - imagine blaming the people who wanted this, won an election on promising this, negotiated this, and are taking all the credit for completing this, if there are any problems.

Totally unfair!! :D

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"About us"

https://facts4eu.org/about

Seems legit... ;)

Twice as many students benefit, with seven times the population...

The only figures that matter to the UK are the amount of foreign students coming here and the amount of our students going abroad. A fairer system would be a one out, one in policy.

Gove has been critiscised for saying that this scheme (and EHIC) would continue after 1/1/21:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1768576.html

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36063704)

You could say the same about any students in an EU University sitting next to a U.K. student...

It’s part of the Exchange Programme, no matter where it is - my son spent his 2nd Year at University of South Carolina, Columbia, and he paid U.K. fees (£3k at the time) - his fellow students paid around $30,000 per year for the same course.

So the students aren't actually getting completely free education, they continue to pay as if they were staying at their own educational establishment. That's fair enough then, but if we have more coming in than going out it's still costing us in resources.

If it's a simple (albeit unbalanced) swap of students, apart from the extra cost of resources in us subsidising the costs of educating overseas students, where do all the extra costs that the scheme is said cost come from? I think that they are responsible for any extra costs of accomodation that are incurred themselves.

Hugh	24-12-2020 20:21

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They are

1andrew1

24-12-2020 20:52

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Pesky French! ;)

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TV Services
France successfully kept the audio visual sector out of the deal in a major blow to the UK, which is home to around 1,400 broadcasters, about 30% of all channels in the EU.

Britain’s thriving TV and video-on-demand service providers will no longer be able to offer pan European services to European viewers unless they relocate part of their business to an EU member state.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...he-brexit-deal

Damien

24-12-2020 20:59

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The worst part of the deal is that lack of access for the services industry which is our biggest sector. You can no longer start a services-based business in the U.K and have the entire European market instantly available to you.

Sephiroth

24-12-2020 22:29

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https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pres.../en/ip_20_2531

Pending release of the full agreement text, the attachment is the EU's official statement on what the agreement covers.

Sephiroth

24-12-2020 22:50

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https://assets.publishing.service.go...UMMARY_PDF.pdf

The UK Guvmin version is attached.

EDIT: I've read the 34 pages and they look OK to me. Thus the devil, if any, will be in the detail. Anyway, I'm pleased.

Chris

24-12-2020 23:02

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36063729)

This is dull as ditchwater, but worth a go if you’re worried about the single market in services. Spoiler: such a thing barely exists in reality, notwithstanding any rules that supposedly enable it:

https://www.civitas.org.uk/content/f...andparadox.pdf

The fun begins around page 90 and gets right to the point near the bottom of page 93. There’s also some interesting comparisons between British services exports within the EU and to several non-EU countries,

We’ll be fine.

1andrew1

24-12-2020 23:41

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36063737)

Should be noted that Civitas is not impartial - they're anti-EU and linked to Vote Leave and Business for Britain.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a6866011.html

Chris

24-12-2020 23:48

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Indeed, however their statistical analysis is compelling. If the single market in services is so good, how are so many of Europe’s major economies doing as well, if not better, selling their services outside the EU? It’s hard to argue with their conclusion: the regulatory regime really doesn’t create an especially advantageous marketplace for those selling services. And as more and more business is done online, it’s equally hard to see where the barriers to trade in services within the EU can exist. You hire someone online, they do the work. You send cash, they send output of whatever kind. All that actually crosses borders are electrons.

papa smurf

25-12-2020 08:31

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IRISH fishermen have reacted furiously after the UK and the EU struck their last-gasp trade deal yesterday - with the head of a prominent trade organisation claiming they had been "sacrificed" by Brussels.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ishing-ireland

Merry Xmas

Carth

25-12-2020 11:20

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Considering many were complaining that the 'fishing issue' was a very minor point during the negotiations, it's strange how some of the EU fishermen are now annoyed at the deal struck . . maybe it wasn't such a minor point after all :D

Hugh	25-12-2020 11:27

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As we all know, a small minority can make a lot of noise out of all proportion to their relevance.

Merry Christmas, one and all.

Sephiroth

25-12-2020 11:35

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Doesn't the Labour Leader look like a right chump? He can't find anything wrong with the trade agreement so he has to invent criticisms around what's not in the agreement.

https://labour.org.uk/press/full-tex...eu-trade-deal/

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It does not provide adequate protections for British manufacturing.

Our financial services.

Creative industries.

Or workplace rights.

It is not the deal the government promised.

Far from it.

And there are serious questions about the Government’s preparedness for the new arrangements.

Leaving everything to the last minute has made it even more difficult for businesses to be ready.

A better deal could have been negotiated.

What is that cobblers about workplace rights? It's a frigging trade agreement not an arm of the ILO.

He says that "a better deal could have been negotiated". How? They were never going to go beyond withdrawable equivalence for financial services; ever. What "adequate provisions for British manufacturing"? Is he sure that it's not enough for the Japanese motor manufacturers to be satisfied to remain in the UK?

His criticisms are thin. That's the truth. Of course the agreement is thin - nothing better could have been negotiated. It's thin because we have achieved our sovereignty. Indeed it is remarkably good that we have quota/tariff free trade with the EU.

Starmer is worse than those whingers in this thread who have not been reasonable.

Chris

25-12-2020 13:26

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36063764)

Fishing was never a small issue. Everyone who obsessed over its contribution to our GDP missed the point. For us it wasn’t about GDP, it was about reasserting our sovereignty in one particularly visible area that was especially hard hit by our cack-handed entry to the EU, and moreover an issue that is of electoral significance to the Tories in several places, including northeast Scotland (witness how hard the SNP is trying to paint this as a bad deal - the northeast used to be their heartland but the Tories now threaten to make it theirs). It was also about playing one of our strongest cards well - the reason it has become so modest for us is because it has become rather more important for some of them. EU leaders repeatedly warned Barnier not to allow fishing to be the last issue on the table because they knew its importance. The EU side seems to have failed to achieve that.

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