Cable Forum - UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

But blame the Tory's if there are any problems.

I'm quite surprised sir splinter arse isn't sitting on the fence but at least he is absolving himself of any blame, which is the next best thing to abstaining.

1andrew1

24-12-2020 17:57

Re: Brexit-UK & EU Agree Post Trade Deal

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36063693)

But blame the Tory's if there are any problems.

Well, they are the Government so that would be a fair call. ;)

nomadking

24-12-2020 17:57

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36063688)

Can you explain how it was a massive net loss for the UK, nomadking?

Boris said so in the press conference. "but our arrangement basically means that financially the British Exchequer loses out on the deal". "Erasmus was all so extremely expensive".

Hugh	24-12-2020 18:13

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36063696)

Boris said so in the press conference. "but our arrangement basically means that financially the British Exchequer loses out on the deal". "Erasmus was all so extremely expensive".

And he has never told porkies before?

We send almost five times the number of students to the EU than the EU send to the U.K. - I’d love to see the figures that show we contribute five times that of the rest of the EU..

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36063683)

Not sure I follow. We send proportionally more students to the EU than we receive and the funding for those students comes from a central pot.

However, it's not the funding that is a shame, it is the loss of opportunity to participate in an excellent experience studying abroad. Let's hope that this Turing Scheme is as good or better

Sorry, I forgot the <sarcasm> markers... ;)

RichardCoulter

24-12-2020 18:13

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AIUI, the host country doesn't charge the foreign student any fees. So, if we were taking in more than we were sending abroad, it was a net loss to the UK.

If this is correct, I can well understand why a British student who is being asked to take on debt for thousands of pounds to pay his or her fees would not be happy sitting next to someone from another country who is getting their education for free.

Hugh	24-12-2020 18:18

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36063702)

You could say the same about any students in an EU University sitting next to a U.K. student...

It’s part of the Exchange Programme, no matter where it is - my son spent his 2nd Year at University of South Carolina, Columbia, and he paid U.K. fees (£3k at the time) - his fellow students paid around $30,000 per year for the same course.

joglynne

24-12-2020 18:27

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36063696)

Boris said so in the press conference. "but our arrangement basically means that financially the British Exchequer loses out on the deal". "Erasmus was all so extremely expensive".

Errrr ... I think this explains what Boris is talking about.

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€30 billion on EU programme for (mostly) EU27 students
UK gets 1/3rd of the benefit it should
Most popular destinations for UK students: USA and Australia

https://facts4eu.org/news/2019_jan_erasmus

nomadking

24-12-2020 18:34

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36063700)

It would be the Treasury civil servants that were lying, if that was the case.
The contributions to the scheme are based upon GDP, so the UK pays heavily on that count. The costs of the scheme are planned to double from next year.
The average stay of students under the scheme, is 6 months.

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Regarding the link between Spain and the island, Spain is the first in the ‘receiving countries’ list of British students, followed by France and Germany.

And of course they're going there to study (the beaches and night life).

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154. Amatey Doku believed that the Government’s policy of ending free movement
would result in “more stringent immigration controls” after Brexit. Mr
Doku acknowledged it was unclear what this might mean for students, but
was “deeply uncomfortable” with any changes purporting to ensure students
did not use the Erasmus programme to “come in, drop out, and stay in the
country”.

Hugh	24-12-2020 18:37

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36063693)

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Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36063707)

Errrr ... I think this explains what Boris is talking about.

https://facts4eu.org/news/2019_jan_erasmus

"About us"

https://facts4eu.org/about

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Who we are
We’re ordinary people, mostly but not exclusively in business, previously minding our own business and living our everyday lives. We just felt we had to step up to the plate.

With the media bias and the one-sidedness of the establishment, it became more and more important to us that the Brexit case was presented using official facts – mostly from the EU itself.

We believe people need and deserve to see factual information about what EU membership really means for the UK. Our Brexit Index contains nearly 2,000 articles and is the largest repository of official Brexit facts anywhere in the world.

Our funding
For Remoaners obsessed with conspiracy theories, we should mention that we have funded 90% of the costs ourselves, with the balance coming from small, individual public donations that have helped us to keep going somehow. None of the donors have so far have been named Vladimir. Sorry to disappoint Remainers who can't deal with facts and prefer to try to attack us personally, but the money is infinitessimally small compared to the funding of Remain campaigns. We suggest Remainers address the facts rather than imaginary conspiracy theories.

Seems legit... ;)

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UK students using Erasmus+ to study abroad : 9,615
Non-UK students using Erasmus+ to study in UK : 18,702
Almost twice as many EU students benefit, compared to UK students

Twice as many students benefit, with seven times the population...

nomadking

24-12-2020 18:50

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36063711)

ZOMG - imagine blaming the people who wanted this, won an election on promising this, negotiated this, and are taking all the credit for completing this, if there are any problems.

Totally unfair!! :D

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"About us"

https://facts4eu.org/about

Seems legit... ;)

Twice as many students benefit, with seven times the population...

So how many UK students opting to go to Romania, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania? Not a simple equation, especially as:-

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Apart from the EU member states, there are other countries taking part in the programme as full members although they have to pay for it and accept the EU principle of free movement of people.

1andrew1

24-12-2020 19:00

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Erasmus is another U-turn from BoJo

15th January 2020: "“There is no threat to the Erasmus scheme." (Prime Minister's Questiosn)

24th December 2020: "It was a tough decision..." (Deal annoucement)

Chris

24-12-2020 19:08

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36063667)

In summary

That's the EU's "THINKING OF LEAVING US?" message for those still imprisoned. :rofl: Forgive me if I don't take a document with the European Commission logo at the top at face value ...

nomadking

24-12-2020 19:10

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36063715)

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Following the vote in parliament last week, universities minister Chris Skidmore tweeted that the amendment was “game-playing by opposition parties” and insisted the government was open to participation in Erasmus+, but that this depended on future negotiations.

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In a speech to vice-chancellors at the Universities UK conference in September last year, education secretary Gavin Williamson said: “I want to reassure you that my department is open to continuing to be part of schemes like Erasmus+. But we have to prepare for every eventuality, and it is sensible to consider all options. As such I have asked my officials to provide a truly ambitious scheme if necessary.”
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Last week, The Times quoted a Whitehall source who suggested the Treasury and Department for Education would not prioritise the scheme in future negotiations. The scheme is estimated to cost the European Commission £411m, and the UK government would need to pledge funds to assure UK student access after Brexit.
The Whitehall official told The Times: “The question being asked is whether you want to spend a billion pounds on this or put it into the schools budget.
“Clearly it will depend on the negotiations with the EU but the feeling is that it is expensive and not a priority for the government.”

As I've said, the costs are going to double from next year.

1andrew1

24-12-2020 19:13

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36063718)

As I've said, the costs are going to double from next year.

I very much doubt it given the pandemic.

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