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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35975935)

Correction: some of us don't think alike

I rather think you have avoided the subtlety of the point.

Exactly, some of them think in French!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

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Downing Street lobby briefing - Snap summary

This is what the prime minister’s spokesman told journalists about today’s cabinet meeting.

Cabinet this morning discussed the ongoing preparations for leaving the European Union.

They agreed that delivering the deal that the prime minister agreed with Brussels remains the government’s top priority and our best no deal mitigation.

However, the government’s continued duty is to prepare for every eventuality, including a no-deal situation.

Ministers acknowledged the extensive the steps undertaken to do this, including publishing 106 technical notices and 320 no-deal workstreams ongoing across departments.

Cabinet agreed that, with just over three months until our exit from the European Union, we have now reached the point were we need to ramp up these preparations. This means we will now set in motion the remaining elements of our no-deal plans.

Cabinet also agreed to recommend businesses now also ensure they are similarly prepared, enacting their own no-deal plans as they judge necessary.

Citizens should also prepare in line with the technical notices issued in the summer and in line with further, more detailed advice that will now be issued over the coming weeks.

And here are the main points.

The cabinet has agreed to implement the government’s no-deal Brexit plans “in full”. The spokesman told reporters: “We have our no-deal plans and we will implement them in full.”

Businesses and individuals are being told by the government to prepare for a no-deal Brexit - even though the spokesman also said that the government thought that leaving with a deal remained the “most likely scenario”. A publicity campaign will be launched to provide people with the information they need.

Some 80,000 emails are going out to businesses and business groups this week with advice about no-deal planning. A 100-page Partnership Pack will also be available online to provide firms with information about what they need to do.

The Treasury will shortly provide information about how an extra £2bn allocated for no-deal planning will be spent.

Here are the Technical Notices issued in August (updated in October) - there are 20 sections (and an overview), with 105 sections in total.

https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...u-with-no-deal

And just after that briefing, this was said in the House by the Defence Minister.

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Gavin Williamson, the defence secretary, has been in the Commons making a statement about defence modernisation. During the exchanges the Tory MP Will Quince asked Williamson if he had received “any approaches from other government departments about using our world-class armed forces personnel in the event of a no-deal Brexit”.

Williamson replied:

We’ve as yet not had any formal requests from any government departments. But what are doing is putting contingency plans in place, and what we will do is have 3,500 service personnel held at readiness, including regulars and reserves, in order to support any government department on any contingencies they may need.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35975934)

Well diverged, though. We look alike but don't think alike.

"We"?

Do you think the Scots, (Northern) Irish, Welsh, and English* all think alike?

*and do you think Geordies think like Londoners, or Cornish, or that Scousers think like Kentish folk?

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35975939)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

Here are the Technical Notices issued in August (updated in October) - there are 20 sections (and an overview), with 105 sections in total.

https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...u-with-no-deal

And just after that briefing, this was said in the House by the Defence Minister.

---------- Post added at 15:27 ---------- Previous post was at 15:22 ----------

"We"?

Do you think the Scots, (Northern) Irish, Welsh, and English* all think alike?

*and do you think Geordies think like Londoners, or Cornish, or that Scousers think like Kentish folk?

They'll think how there told to think .

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35975942)

They'll think how there told to think .

Bless...

No-deal Brexit plans put 3,500 troops on standby

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ns-for-no-deal

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35975938)

Exactly, some of them think in French!

Good point. See "convoi exceptionel" for details.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35975949)

Good point. See "convoi exceptionel" for details.

Looks like a good film - thanks for the heads-up.

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35975948)

No-deal Brexit plans put 3,500 troops on standby

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ns-for-no-deal

All for show and try and swing some votes for TM. They've absolutely no intention of letting no deal happen. Its the least likely of all possible outcomes. The Govt don't want it, the EU don't want it, the public (bar the bonkers ones) don't want it, and parliament won't allow it.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35975937)

I rather think you have avoided the subtlety of the point.

I don't think subtlety is in the Brexit lexicon :)

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35975958)

I don't think subtlety is in the Brexit lexicon :)

It is in mine.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35975958)

I don't think subtlety is in the Brexit lexicon :)

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35975960)

It is in mine.

Next to "sedition"? ;)

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35975950)

Looks like a good film - thanks for the heads-up.

:D:D:D

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35975956)

I think it’s as much for the EU’s consumption as domestic MPs. The EU has made some pretty extravagant promises to Ireland that aren’t compatible with its ideological attachment to the purity of the single market, in the event there’s no deal with the U.K. Ireland may not want border checks, but the EU’s commitment to purity will make them inevitable sooner or later, even if they’re subtle and remotely located (some variation on “max fac” for example).

TM is clearly running the clock down, but she will be hoping to wring a few concessions out of the EU as much as she’s hoping to tame her own party (and the DUP, if possible).

On your final point, by the way - Parliament can’t stop a no deal Brexit without passing primary legislation. It is all but impossible for an opposition or an independent MP to get legislation passed without at least the passive cooperation of the executive. If your final hope is that “no deal” can’t happen because Parliament will prevent it ... well your final hope is doomed.

I think the last resort for Parliament would be to bring back May’s deals if they wanted to avoid a no deal Brexit. Assuming she is still PM at the time after it (probably) fails the first time.

May surviving the no confidence motion makes her deal more likely imo since I can’t see a way the ERG can now control the process.