Cable Forum - Coronavirus (OLD)

Our local GPs run 2 surgeries over a mile apart. The one near us was shut down due to covid-19 in March. The other was only doing telephone consultations. No blood tests. pre or antenatal, diabetes checks, inoculations, well man or woman annual checks.

I have tried and tried to get their phone to answer to arrange flu jabs for the family. Then someone on a local FB group posted that only one number is now in use, and it is flooded every day. When she did get through she also asked about the local surgery being reopened to give flu and pneumonia jabs. The answer stunned her "Get one at ASDA or Tesco as we have no plans to offer an inoculation service this year".

Add to this no dental services apart from phone-in, no eye checks, no hearing tests, no cancer or diabetes screening. Applaud the NHS? I don't think so.

Hom3r

28-08-2020 17:29

Re: Coronavirus

The government hasn't done any U-turns.

It has changed according to the latest intel.

Damien

28-08-2020 17:48

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36047973)

As I am continually reminded on this site, this isn’t the flu.

as above.

A simulation of an influenza pandemic was undertaken in 2010, and if you read it the level of PPE used was lower. I.e just a surgical mask, not they full visor type.

https://www.journalofhospitalinfecti...376-9/fulltext

There’s that word “flu” again.

The plan was still partly used for this pandemic. The only thing they got wrong by using it was the initial approach to the lockdown (which I haven't had a go at them about).

It doesn't explain why they let PPE stockpile dwindle. Even if we did need more (such as visors) the NHS was in need of basic supplies like N95 face masks, gowns and gloves. This wasn't there either despite them knowing they could be needed from the pandemic response you've linked too and from that 2019 warning.

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36048003)

The government hasn't done any U-turns.

It has changed according to the latest intel.

What intel changed on face masks in the last couple of weeks?

What intel changed on the NHS track and trace app?

Hugh	29-08-2020 12:52

Re: Coronavirus

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53889184

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Mr Hancock told BBC Breakfast the government was expanding its flu vaccination programme this year because "we don't want a flu outbreak at the same time as dealing with coronavirus".

"We have bought more flu vaccine than ever before," he said.

"In fact we have changed the law so that more people can administer the jab. We want pharmacists, nurses and GPs to be able to administer the jab"

No need to change the law - nurses, including GP Practice nurses, have been administering flu vaccinations for decades, and pharmacists since 2017...

denphone

29-08-2020 13:07

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36048058)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53889184

No need to change the law - nurses, including GP Practice nurses, have been administering flu vaccinations for decades, and pharmacists since 2017...

l had my flu jab done by my pharmacist last year and one suspects that will be happening this year as well.

Sephiroth

29-08-2020 13:29

Re: Coronavirus

I'm never having another flu jab. Each time I've tried, I've promptly got flu.

EDIT: Then I don't get flu!

Carth

29-08-2020 13:40

Re: Coronavirus

Never had a flu jab although offered one yearly.

Not had flu for around 5 years too . . . fate well and truly tempted ;)

Hugh	29-08-2020 15:01

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36048061)

I'm never having another flu jab. Each time I've tried, I've promptly got flu.

EDIT: Then I don't get flu!

Sounds like it worked, then? ;)

Sephiroth

29-08-2020 15:47

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36048071)

Sounds like it worked, then? ;)

Never got it before I tired the jab. I only tried the jab because the boffs said it was a new strain that was circulating and it was necessary.

Hugh	29-08-2020 17:59

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36048074)

Never got it before I tired the jab. I only tried the jab because the boffs said it was a new strain that was circulating and it was necessary.

From the link

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The flu vaccine cannot give you flu

The injected flu vaccine given to adults contains inactivated flu viruses, so it cannot give you flu.

You probably had "man-flu*"... ;)

*a bad cold

Sephiroth

29-08-2020 19:19

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36048088)

From the link You probably had "man-flu*"... ;)

*a bad cold

That's why I took the jab; they said you can't catch flu from the jab. I did. I don't get "man-flu"; a cold is something completely different.
Three jabs, three influenzas within two days. The clue is in the temperature and the aches.

I know several people who react similarly.

Damien

29-08-2020 19:35

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36048094)

You could have got a different strain of a flu. You should speak to your doctor otherwise because you shouldn't get the flu from the vaccine, it's not how the vaccine works. Remember they give this to people who are immunocompromised (such as those on chemotherapy) so even if there was a 0.1% chance it the virus could replicated then it could be deadly, they kill the virsues ability to replicate entirely.

Maybe your immune system didn't react well and it's reaction gave the symptoms of the flu or when you got the jab it was too late and you were already in the latency period having contracted it.

joglynne

29-08-2020 19:59

Re: Coronavirus

I am given the Flu Jab every year but only because it does not contain any live virus. Though there are some side effects,

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It's normal to feel soreness, redness, tenderness, or even develop a mild fever or body aches during the two days after you get vaccinated—that's just your immune response, not the flu illness itself. So there's no reason to avoid getting the flu shot because you think it'll make you sick.

https://www.menshealth.com/health/a1...e%20you%20sick.

https://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vk/inactivated-flu-vaccine

Due to my compromised immune system I will not be able to have a Covid-19 vaccination whilst it is based on the live SARS-CoV-2 virus. In time an Attenuated Vaccine, such as the current Flu vaccination, may be developed but until then I have to stay in my little bubble.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attenuated_vaccine

Sephiroth

29-08-2020 20:43

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36048096)

3/3 is too much of a coincidence. Anyway, my immune system is very good - my nose hairs appear to stop everything because I get no more than a cold a year which I shed in two days (with the help of Tissue Salts Formula J).

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