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OLD BOY 05-05-2019 21:19
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35993799)
A quick look at Netflix debts suggests the operating model might not be working, or at least in future they might look at new revenue opportunities. Targeted advertising being obvious.

I actually don’t like watching ads, or working to a schedule, I don’t know what I’ve said that indicates that I do? Unlike you I’m not pushing my vision of the future relentlessly on an Internet forum with sources that are dubious online marketing companies.

I’m dealing in reality based in economics, not on supposition or speculation. People watch linear television, people pay for linear television and it’s cheap for the incumbents to maintain alongside streaming (Sky Go, Virgin TV Go, Now TV, Xbox/PS4 apps).

The BBC haven’t said there wont be linear channels - you keep portraying a speculative possibility as fact with no basis whatsoever. Of course, the BBC would rationally portray the worst option to get authority to extend its land grab into streaming. That’s not unexpected.
Netflix is heavily in debt while it continues to grow its content as rapidly as possible.

In the meantime...

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2019...ancel-doubles/

muppetman11 10-05-2019 15:42
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Now TV 1080p streaming coming this year, Full HD video trials underway

https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/...vice-launching

OLD BOY 10-05-2019 20:21
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35994374)
Now TV 1080p streaming coming this year, Full HD video trials underway

https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/...vice-launching
While this is good news, one wonders how long before they start considering UHD.

When everyone has progressed to holographic TV, I guess. :rolleyes:

muppetman11 10-05-2019 20:50
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35994394)
While this is good news, one wonders how long before they start considering UHD.

When everyone has progressed to holographic TV, I guess. :rolleyes:
Now TV Is a completely different beast to Netflix who are solely a streamer , UHD on Now TV won't happen until Now TV represents the majority of Sky's business.

It makes no sense to cannibalise your high paying platform.

jfman 10-05-2019 23:48
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35993812)
Netflix is heavily in debt while it continues to grow its content as rapidly as possible.

In the meantime...

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2019...ancel-doubles/
I’m heavily in debt to my mortgage provider. If I can’t pay the bills my hopes and aspirations won’t keep a roof over my head.

OLD BOY 11-05-2019 10:49
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35994412)
I’m heavily in debt to my mortgage provider. If I can’t pay the bills my hopes and aspirations won’t keep a roof over my head.
Except that Netflix is paying its bills. Most new companies start off with debts and some of the big ones will be in considerable debt for a great many years. It's what is called investment.

In time, the number of Netflix subscriptions will have increased considerably as its reach extends into new markets, increasing its income, and once their library has built up sufficiently, they will reduce the amount of content they are currently adding down to more sustainable levels.

If that turns out to be insufficient to balance the books and make a profit due to increasing competition, then a free or reduced price alternative with commercials would be a further means of increasing income. At the same time, they could decide to increase the price of the 'no ads' subscription service.

jfman 11-05-2019 12:48
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35994437)
Except that Netflix is paying its bills. Most new companies start off with debts and some of the big ones will be in considerable debt for a great many years. It's what is called investment.

In time, the number of Netflix subscriptions will have increased considerably as its reach extends into new markets, increasing its income, and once their library has built up sufficiently, they will reduce the amount of content they are currently adding down to more sustainable levels.

If that turns out to be insufficient to balance the books and make a profit due to increasing competition, then a free or reduced price alternative with commercials would be a further means of increasing income. At the same time, they could decide to increase the price of the 'no ads' subscription service.
Most companies do not start off with debt levels at between 2 and 3 years of subscription revenue. Especially if they don't have tangible assets to secure the debt against.

Price rises are inevitable once they've consolidated market share, we are agreed on that.

muppetman11 11-05-2019 15:33
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35994452)
Most companies do not start off with debt levels at between 2 and 3 years of subscription revenue. Especially if they don't have tangible assets to secure the debt against.

Price rises are inevitable once they've consolidated market share, we are agreed on that.
Oh I completely agree , I've said for a long while it won't take long before you are paying as much as the entry level packages from the likes of Sky , Virgin and BT.

Another thing worth mentioning what happens if they struggle with attracting new subscriber numbers or worst case scenario see a decline ? People will then end up having to pay even more or they'll have to look at advertising to help them out.

denphone 11-05-2019 16:25
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35994467)
Oh I completely agree , I've said for a long while it won't take long before you are paying as much as the entry level packages from the likes of Sky , Virgin and BT.

Another thing worth mentioning what happens if they struggle with attracting new subscriber numbers or worst case scenario see a decline ? People will then end up having to pay even more or they'll have to look at advertising to help them out.
Keep it up MM as your pearls of reality very quickly dissipate the fantasies of those who can't see the wood from the trees.;)

cupcakes aka dd 11-05-2019 19:06
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35994374)
Now TV 1080p streaming coming this year, Full HD video trials underway

https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/...vice-launching
How about giving us more than just stereo like ITV

muppetman11 11-05-2019 19:36
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Originally Posted by cupcakes aka dd (Post 35994507)
How about giving us more than just stereo like ITV
Completely agree :tu:

Horizon 11-05-2019 19:39
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35994374)
Now TV 1080p streaming coming this year, Full HD video trials underway

https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/...vice-launching
Thanks for info.

As Comcast are extending Now Tv into other countries, this may morph into Comcast's global streaming service, although Comcast did say that would carry the NBC/Universal branding originally, although they seemed to have rolled back on that recently and I still expect the global streamer to be called Sky.

OLD BOY 11-05-2019 20:17
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35994467)
Oh I completely agree , I've said for a long while it won't take long before you are paying as much as the entry level packages from the likes of Sky , Virgin and BT.

Another thing worth mentioning what happens if they struggle with attracting new subscriber numbers or worst case scenario see a decline ? People will then end up having to pay even more or they'll have to look at advertising to help them out.
Even if what you say is correct, which I doubt, frankly, a streaming service such as Netflix charging those entry level fees will still be much better value.

How you can imagine subscriptions to Netflix declining when they are attracting more and more subscribers to the areas currently served and are expanding to become a world service, I cannot fathom. And as others have speculated, a free (or reduced subscription level) service with ads will attract even more money to SVOD.

I don't understand why you should want these new services with so much more content to fail. They have transformed the viewing experience for me and no doubt a great many others..

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35994473)
Keep it up MM as your pearls of reality very quickly dissipate the fantasies of those who can't see the wood from the trees.;)
Clearly, Den, you want SVOD to fail. I don't know why this is the case - I understand you subscribe to Netflix yourself.

No doubt, you would not do so if you thought it to be poor value for money.

denphone 11-05-2019 20:37
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35994520)
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Clearly, Den, you want SVOD to fail. I don't know why this is the case - I understand you subscribe to Netflix yourself.

No doubt, you would not do so if you thought it to be poor value for money.
Like a politician you come out with complete and utter gibberish OB as the trouble with you is you struggle to cope with other members who's views differ from yours.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35994520)
Clearly, Den, you want SVOD to fail. I don't know why this is the case - I understand you subscribe to Netflix yourself.

No doubt, you would not do so if you thought it to be poor value for money.
At the moment it represents good value as a add on to our overall family viewing.

jfman 11-05-2019 20:37
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It's actually easy to imagine Netflix declining. You yourself are the biggest advocate of a streaming future with a large number of providers. It is simply not realistic, in any market, to expect that a large number of new entrants will not have a negative effect on incumbents. Consumers don't have infinite cash so will make choices as to which provides best value. You also point out how flexible the price plans are, making them disposable quite easily.

Netflix doesn't own much of the content on it's platform so the long term risk is that the new entrants happen to be the content owners themselves weakening the position of Netflix significantly.


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