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1andrew1 06-11-2024 10:56

Re: US Election 2024
 
Thank goodness the US is getting a Republican administration. Now we can crack on with signing that trade deal which Biden's been withholding from us. ;)

nomadking 06-11-2024 10:57

Re: US Election 2024
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36185472)
It’s incredibly embarrassing for the Democrats to lose the popular vote. A message that simply didn’t resonate with the voters they needed to get off the couch. Millions of voters who went for Biden in 2020 didn’t bother for Harris in 2024.

Is there a lower turnout this time? Was it a case of not voting or did they vote for Trump instead? There's 5 million voting gap.

Mr K 06-11-2024 11:24

Re: US Election 2024
 
At least we don't live there, and are safe in our socialist paradise :)

Anonymouse 06-11-2024 11:30

Re: US Election 2024
 
Isn't he a convicted felon?

Heinlein was right, just at the wrong time - America is in the Crazy Years now. Next thing you know, the equivalent of Nehemiah Scudder will be in there.

thenry 06-11-2024 11:45

Re: US Election 2024
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36185462)
It'll be interesting to see what the Democrats do now.

I know what they will do. All her supporters will now ask her if she's ok :sleep: One by one should kill some time and take the edge off her legitimate claim to office. Oh what a perfect human being you are Kamala Harris. We are all the bad ones that supported Trump. Don't change who you are. Let's see how far it gets you. :upyours:

papa smurf 06-11-2024 11:48

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36185479)
I know what they will do. All her supporters will now ask her if she's ok :sleep: One by one should kill some time and take the edge off her legitimate claim to office. Oh what a perfect human being you are Kamala Harris. We are all the bad ones that supported Trump. Don't change who you are. Let's see how far it gets you. :upyours:

Yea but where the hell is she?

Chris 06-11-2024 11:50

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36185456)
Well, indeed, it would seem the “polls” did another bang up job! Had us all fooled.

It’s not even going to close.

I’m now looking forward to seeing Trump, not do, what all the hysterical people with TDS say he was going to do.

It’s a great day for democracy.

The polls were scattered all over the place, which happens when the race is close - and it has been close. As of right now Trump’s sitting on 51.1% - yes, he’s comfortably taken the electoral college but the final tally of EC votes will flatter him.

I’m not going to lie, I’m disappointed in America and the large number of Americans who have been willing to overlook far too much. He’s a convict, a rapist, a con man and a mysoginist. I’m especially disappointed in the great swathes of Evangelical so-called Christians who have been willing to overlook his character in pursuit of one or two policies he is personally only lukewarm about.

I *hope* you’re right, and he spends the next 4 years not doing all the things he threatened to do. I *hope* it was all just a pantomime act to get votes. But at this point I’m not convinced.

And on that point, the Ukraine war isn’t going to end just because Trump said he’d end it. Ukraine, and the whole of Esastern Europe, is about to get a whole lot more dangerous because Putin *believes* he has Trump in his pocket and that will embolden him. Though right now I’m angrier at the Biden admin that has constantly spoken warm words about Ukraine while only ever doing just enough to prevent it from collapsing.

nomadking 06-11-2024 11:50

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anonymouse (Post 36185478)
Isn't he a convicted felon?

Heinlein was right, just at the wrong time - America is in the Crazy Years now. Next thing you know, the equivalent of Nehemiah Scudder will be in there.

What is said to be flimsy evidence on misdemeanours that were outside the statue of limitations. Completely bogus charges.

Chris 06-11-2024 11:53

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36185482)
What is said to be flimsy evidence on misdemeanours that were outside the statue of limitations. Completely bogus charges.

No - he is civilly liable for sexual assault due to the statute of limitations on criminal charges in that case. But he is a convicted felon (criminal) on 34 charges of falsifying business records arising from his failed attempt to cover up hush-money payments to a porn star. There was nothing bogus or flimsy in any of that.

nomadking 06-11-2024 12:10

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36185483)
No - he is civilly liable for sexual assault due to the statute of limitations on criminal charges in that case. But he is a convicted felon (criminal) on 34 charges of falsifying business records arising from his failed attempt to cover up hush-money payments to a porn star. There was noting bogus or flimsy in any of that.

The Business records thing were all misdemeanours that were outside of the statute of limitations. No charges legally allowed. Since when has extortion and blackmail been legalised?
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convicted on all 34 flimsy counts of 'falsifying business records.'
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Never in American history has anyone ever been prosecuted for – as Trump's defense argued was the case – erroneous bookkeeping made by a company underling who failed to disclose the payment of 'hush money'.
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So Bragg went a dangerous step further than Stalin ever did: he made up a crime.
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In his closing instructions, Judge Juan Merchan exposed his already apparent bias once more – telling the jurors that they didn't actually have to agree on the specifics of Trump's unlawful behavior.
How could someone defend themselves against such vague allegations?


Chris 06-11-2024 12:22

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36185485)
The Business records thing were all misdemeanours that were outside of the statute of limitations. No charges legally allowed. Since when has extortion and blackmail been legalised?
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He was criminally convicted by a jury. End of.

jfman 06-11-2024 12:59

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36185475)
Is there a lower turnout this time? Was it a case of not voting or did they vote for Trump instead? There's 5 million voting gap.

I’d lean more chose to not vote than switch. I think turnout will also be down some votes still outstanding but not tens of millions or anything.

Maggy 06-11-2024 13:10

Re: US Election 2024
 
They didn't want a woman as president.

papa smurf 06-11-2024 13:11

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36185492)
They didn't want a woman as president.

Not that one

Damien 06-11-2024 13:20

Re: Trump wins US Presidency for a 2nd Term
 
Title changed

We might start a new thread as we get into the transition stuff but for now this one is suited for the aftermath of last night.


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