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Media Boy UK 26-05-2022 16:39
Re: Freeview changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36123727)
So, based on the link you eventually provided, what you have said here is extremely misleading.

First of all, what has been reported is an aspiration, at some point in the future, to close BBC4 and CBBC as broadcast channels and operate them as streaming-only brands, much the same as they did at BBC3 until earlier this year. I’d say the fact they were forced to reverse that streaming-only venture with BBC3 because they lost so many viewers tells us something about how many years off this is still likely to be.

Second, this isn’t about Freeview; if/when they eventually do it it will mean the end of all broadcast of BBC4 and CBBC, i.e. Freesat, Sky, Virgin and even the broadcast stream via iPlayer.

But apart from all that, yeah …
The last two lines was just my own view.

OLD BOY 26-05-2022 16:57
Re: Freeview changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36123720)
BBC to axe BBC4, CBBC and BBC Radio 4 Extra on Freeview.

-CBeebies HD can now stay on Freeview - using CBBC HD slot.
-Will BBC 4 and CBBC closing mean all BBC Radio channels can still broadcast on Freeview when BBC ALBA is on air?
Interesting. I wonder how much they will save by taking the TV channels onto streaming only. I thought the cost of keeping the linear services operating alongside streaming alternatives was just buttons.

Maybe I dreamt that… :sleep:

cheekyangus 26-05-2022 19:08
Re: Freeview changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36123735)
Interesting. I wonder how much they will save by taking the TV channels onto streaming only. I thought the cost of keeping the linear services operating alongside streaming alternatives was just buttons.

Maybe I dreamt that… :sleep:
Taking a TV Channel online-only is only a genuine thing if there is a commissioning/original programming budget. BBC4, if it is genuinely going to be 100% archive content only, is basically closed if it's online-only. A tab on an app is not a channel if there's no original content. Same with Radio 4 Extra when it comes to Radio.

CBBC, since there will be new content, can be considered as moving online.

I suspect some people (I don't mean you Old Boy) reading the news will interpret them moving online as them still being linear, because of the wording, and since they weren't in the demographic for BBC3, when that happened to it, they won't understand that it doesn't mean that.

Media Boy UK 26-05-2022 19:27
Re: Freeview changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36123763)
Taking a TV Channel online-only is only a genuine thing if there is a commissioning/original programming budget. BBC4, if it is genuinely going to be 100% archive content only, is basically closed if it's online-only. A tab on an app is not a channel if there's no original content. Same with Radio 4 Extra when it comes to Radio.

CBBC, since there will be new content, can be considered as moving online.

I suspect some people (I don't mean you Old Boy) reading the news will interpret them moving online as them still being linear, because of the wording, and since they weren't in the demographic for BBC3, when that happened to it, they won't understand that it doesn't mean that.
I still to see #savebbc4, #savecbbcchannel or #saver4extra on Twitter yet.

jfman 26-05-2022 20:24
Re: The future of television
 
The slow death knell for linear television continues apace as the BBC (who have been burned by this nonsense before) say that BBC Four and CBBC will go on demand only… in three years.

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a40115...annels-closed/

There is a glaring contradiction in there though:

Quote:
"I believe in a public service BBC for all, properly funded, relevant for everyone, universally available, and growing in the on-demand age. This plan sets us on that journey,"

cheekyangus 26-05-2022 20:45
Re: Freeview changes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36123768)
I still to see #savebbc4, #savecbbcchannel or #saver4extra on Twitter yet.
I've seen plenty tweets, they just aren't using those hashtags. In fact many aren't using any hashtags. I don't navigate Twitter using them, except on a rare occasion, so I wouldn't read too much into it, especially with so many other things going on at the moment.

Even though BBC4 and Radio4 Extra are what I use, I think CBBC is, by far, the most important of the 3 service. I hope they restore the weekday afternoons CBBC on BBC1 or BBC2 if this closure goes ahead, to reach those who on-demand services won't reach and reduce repeats.

Chris 26-05-2022 20:49
Re: The future of television
 
This plan sets them on a path to chopping off the bits nobody will miss, nothing more. BBC Four was always hard to fathom because the BBC’s arts output was already well catered for across BBC1 & 2, depending on budget and intended audience. Even now, Imagine is commissioned by BBC1 presumably because there’s no way in hell Yentob would ever admit he’s making a niche product. Attenborough and Cox likewise have such high price tags only BBC1 can justify making them.

CBBC is a lost cause because kids that age don’t watch TV designed for their age group any more. If our family experience is in any way typical they’ll watch a couple of family/adult-ish things with us, usually early evening, but then it’s off to TikTok. If they watch TV later in the evening it’s something like Derry Girls on channel 4, which is aimed a little older than them but is frankly exactly the sort of thing I’d have been watching on BBC2 or channel 4 at their age.

I can see the BBC continuing to make original children’s programmes out of PSB obligation but at the same time I won’t be at all surprised if one or two of their flagship productions - like Blue Peter - make a return to late afternoon on BBC1. But it’s hard to see a future for BBC4 as anything more than branding for arts and documentary box-sets.

pip08456 26-05-2022 23:37
Re: The future of television
 
In fairness to OB one of his predictions seems to be correct.
Hulu is offering full access, ad supported for $1 a month for 3 months. How long will it be before other streamers follow suit or will they?
I'm sure if Hulu see their revnue increase they may try it again for longer periods.

https://www.techadvisor.com/news/ent...-deal-3779153/

Media Boy UK 27-05-2022 00:15
Re: The future of television
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36123790)
This plan sets them on a path to chopping off the bits nobody will miss, nothing more. BBC Four was always hard to fathom because the BBC’s arts output was already well catered for across BBC1 & 2, depending on budget and intended audience. Even now, Imagine is commissioned by BBC1 presumably because there’s no way in hell Yentob would ever admit he’s making a niche product. Attenborough and Cox likewise have such high price tags only BBC1 can justify making them.

CBBC is a lost cause because kids that age don’t watch TV designed for their age group any more. If our family experience is in any way typical they’ll watch a couple of family/adult-ish things with us, usually early evening, but then it’s off to TikTok. If they watch TV later in the evening it’s something like Derry Girls on channel 4, which is aimed a little older than them but is frankly exactly the sort of thing I’d have been watching on BBC2 or channel 4 at their age.

I can see the BBC continuing to make original children’s programmes out of PSB obligation but at the same time I won’t be at all surprised if one or two of their flagship productions - like Blue Peter - make a return to late afternoon on BBC1. But it’s hard to see a future for BBC4 as anything more than branding for arts and documentary box-sets.
I hope BBC start broadcasting some of BBC 4 shows to stop using BBC News every weekday to use up time on BBC 2.

Mr K 27-05-2022 20:58
Re: The future of television
 
It is bizarre to put BBC3 on linear, and BBC4 online. The demographic of the audiences are the opposite of that...

daveeb 27-05-2022 21:24
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36123882)
It is bizarre to put BBC3 on linear, and BBC4 online. The demographic of the audiences are the opposite of that...

Agreed again, was thinking exactly the same. Much as I enjoy BBC4 I'm not really sure I can be bothered firing the app up to stream it.

OLD BOY 28-05-2022 10:01
Re: The future of television
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36123882)
It is bizarre to put BBC3 on linear, and BBC4 online. The demographic of the audiences are the opposite of that...
If I didn’t believe that the Beeb was neutral I could believe that they were making a political point. :rolleyes:

Chris 28-05-2022 10:22
Re: The future of television
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36123903)
If I didn’t believe that the Beeb was neutral I could believe that they were making a political point. :rolleyes:
What political point would that be? After all, the future of TV is on demand over IP, so surely you conclude the audiences of BBC4 and CBBC are the most favoured to be getting this treatment?

Yet it’s almost as if you think putting these channels on a VOD-only platform is some sort of punishment. :scratch:

OLD BOY 28-05-2022 19:15
Re: The future of television
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36123912)
What political point would that be? After all, the future of TV is on demand over IP, so surely you conclude the audiences of BBC4 and CBBC are the most favoured to be getting this treatment?

Yet it’s almost as if you think putting these channels on a VOD-only platform is some sort of punishment. :scratch:
No - where did you get that idea?

I said before that putting BBC3 alone online was not the brightest idea the Beeb ever had. It should be all or nothing. That’s why Disney ceased to allow its material to be available on TV channels in favour of the streamer.

But it is a pretty wacky idea for them to bring back BBC3, a young person’s channel, because of disappointing viewing figures, and then putting a channel predominantly aimed at older viewers, to on line only.

One wonders who the hell is making these decisions if they are not being made simply to have a go at the government.

jfman 01-06-2022 15:54
Re: The future of television
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36123939)
No - where did you get that idea?

I said before that putting BBC3 alone online was not the brightest idea the Beeb ever had. It should be all or nothing. That’s why Disney ceased to allow its material to be available on TV channels in favour of the streamer.

But it is a pretty wacky idea for them to bring back BBC3, a young person’s channel, because of disappointing viewing figures, and then putting a channel predominantly aimed at older viewers, to on line only.

One wonders who the hell is making these decisions if they are not being made simply to have a go at the government.
A fundamental misunderstanding of the broadcasting market in that the point is to be seen!

BBC4 is essentially being closed under the guise of being innovative.


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