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1andrew1 01-05-2021 09:25

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36078483)
We must be lucky that we don't get upset by a bit of painting and decorating in someone else's house, I'm so glad I'm not delicate and easily upset.

You should be concerned about corruption whoever is in charge.

Maggy 01-05-2021 09:37

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078487)
Or don’t understand it’s not about the "painting and decorating", it’s about how the funding has been obfuscated - if someone else pays for something, that gives them influence/leverage over the recipient.

It’s the fact the the country’s leader could have received an illegal payment, and then lies about it, that gets people "easily upset"…

:tu:

papa smurf 01-05-2021 09:54

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
It's about cheap political point scoring by a bunch of desperate nobody's, with nothing better to do than watch the PM's new paint dry and try to come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories about a simple bit of decorating.

Hom3r 01-05-2021 10:10

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078420)
I agree - it's demeaning when politicians do things like this...

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Her lyrics from "White Flag" are quite prophetic... :D


You might be missing the point.


Boris was promoting our country, Liebour was attacking it, that's why they lost in areas that where original anti Tory.

1andrew1 01-05-2021 10:19

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36078492)
You might be missing the point. Boris was promoting our country, Liebour was attacking it, that's why they lost

Why is attacking corruption attacking the country? The Prime Minister and David Cameron are not the country and should be held to account.
Labour lost for many reasons, having the incompetent left-winger Corbyn in charge was foremost amongst them.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36078490)
It's about cheap political point scoring by a bunch of desperate nobody's, with nothing better to do than watch the PM's new paint dry and try to come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories about a simple bit of decorating.

Like Theresa May's redecoration of No. 10, I don't think that comment will age well. ;)

Hugh 01-05-2021 11:10

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36078490)
It's about cheap political point scoring by a bunch of desperate nobody's, with nothing better to do than watch the PM's new paint dry and try to come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories about a simple bit of decorating.

£88,000 of decorating, of which £58,000 was originally funded from unknown sources - but you knew that, and are just repeating the same old mantra over and over again...

It's not a conspiracy theory if it's true... :)

Pierre 01-05-2021 11:27

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078505)
£88,000 of decorating, of which £58,000 was originally funded from unknown sources - but you knew that, and are just repeating the same old mantra over and over again...

It's not a conspiracy theory if it's true... :)

If.

Carth 01-05-2021 11:27

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
It's still cheap political point scoring though.

Mind you, it's about the oppositions limit because they have nothing else in the larder with which to cook up a good fight :D

GrimUpNorth 01-05-2021 11:39

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36078508)
If.

We all know if he hadn't done anything wrong they wouldn't have been able to slap Keir down fast enough. The fact they've not done it speaks volumes, there's nothing a politician likes more than political point scoring. Borris being innocent would be an open goal for the Conservatives that they wouldn't go out of their way to miss.

1andrew1 01-05-2021 12:14

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36078513)
We all know if he hadn't done anything wrong they wouldn't have been able to slap Keir down fast enough. The fact they've not done it speaks volumes, there's nothing a politician likes more than political point scoring. Borris being innocent would be an open goal for the Conservatives that they wouldn't go out of their way to miss.

Exactly. I advise those who still cling on to the hope that there's nothing in the stories to cancel their Sunday newspapers. ;)

papa smurf 01-05-2021 12:59

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078505)
£88,000 of decorating, of which £58,000 was originally funded from unknown sources - but you knew that, and are just repeating the same old mantra over and over again...

It's not a conspiracy theory if it's true... :)

Yep that's a conspiracy theory unless you can prove otherwise.

Hugh 01-05-2021 16:08

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36078529)
Yep that's a conspiracy theory unless you can prove otherwise.

I don’t have to - the 3 investigations underway at the moment will be doing that… ;)

Itshim 02-05-2021 11:02

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
Let's be honest all leaders have parties they are beholdent to. Personally l couldn't care less who paid for what . Not so simple to think that trade union s don't ' fund " LABOUR . IF THATS THE BEST. THE NEWS CAN FIND . L will stop looking at all

Hugh 02-05-2021 11:20

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36078601)
Let's be honest all leaders have parties they are beholdent to. Personally l couldn't care less who paid for what . Not so simple to think that trade union s don't ' fund " LABOUR . IF THATS THE BEST. THE NEWS CAN FIND . L will stop looking at all

It's not the funding, it's the hiding of where the funding is coming from.

We know that the Unions fund Labour - it's documented, so can be commented upon. We know that businesses contribute to the Tories - it's documented, so it can be queried.

If any politicians is hiding where their funds are coming from, it means they can be influenced without the knowledge of the Electorate - that is the whole point of the Members Interest Register and the Ministers Code of Conduct; transparency, openness, and the ability for other to say "hold on a minute, that group just gave you £nnnn, and now you've passed a bill/spoken in Parliament/had a meeting with Ministers about them".

Also, it can be used as leverage if it's below the radar - "hey, remember that £nnnn I gave you just before you supported a Bill that benefited my cause/business/Union? It would be a shame if that was leaked to the media...".

We know a lot of politicians are lying, cheating, dishonest poltroons - that's why we have processes and procedures to try and limit the more egregious exceptions.

papa smurf 02-05-2021 11:29

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078602)
It's not the funding, it's the hiding of where the funding is coming from.

We know that the Unions fund Labour - it's documented, so can be commented upon. We know that businesses contribute to the Tories - it's documented, so it can be queried.

If any politicians is hiding where their funds are coming from, it means they can be influenced without the knowledge of the Electorate - that is the whole point of the Members Interest Register and the Ministers Code of Conduct; transparency, openness, and the ability for other to say "hold on a minute, that group just gave you £nnnn, and now you've passed a bill/spoken in Parliament/had a meeting with Ministers about them".

Also, it can be used as leverage if it's below the radar - "hey, remember that £nnnn I gave you just before you supported a Bill that benefited my cause/business/Union? It would be a shame if that was leaked to the media...".

We know a lot of politicians are lying, cheating, dishonest poltroons - that's why we have processes and procedures to try and limit the more egregious exceptions.

More like you don't like Boris and are desperate for some mud to stick, reality is most people just don't care. there are bigger things to worry about.


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