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Re: Government & Post Election Discussion

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35918532)

It's likely anyone who disagrees is on ignore. Echo chambers are the in thing at the moment, sadly. Either way no point in engaging, just a waste of time for all involved unless to debunk opinion with facts for the benefit of the wider audience.

I think this is the root of the issue here. If you are not able to accept that your political view is never wrong and that the opposing view is never right then why would you engage? By definition, any information presented that may challenge or contradict your world view will not be accepted.

I personally think that some of the Conservative policies are good. I also think the same about Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens.

I do not agree with most of the Conservative policies and certainly do not agree with their Free Market approach to nation building but what I try not to do is seek out dirt to attempt to paint the Tories as "nasty", etc. What would be the point? You would only be preaching to the converted and for the rest of your audience, well, you are just winding them up at worst or making them laugh at best.

There was a recent example of Young Tory activists caught discussing 'gassing chavs' and 'shooting peasants'. This could have been posted to show how nasty the Tories are but what's the point?

Everyone will, now and again, post what they would, in hindsight, view as the wrong way to approach an argument. I am certainly guilty of this but when this is your standard debating technique it leaves a lot to be desired.

If you want to read this kind of negative rubbish, go to the Daily Mail, Socialist Worker or Express where you will be in your heaven.

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35918526)

Yawn, yet again. Do you ever get 'déjà vu' ? I experience it regularly on here.

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Still waiting btw.....

Yawn, yet again. Do you ever get 'déjà vu' ? I experience it regularly on here.

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35918566)

Yawn, yet again. Do you ever get 'déjà vu' ? I experience it regularly on here.

Why not be constructive? Mr K said:

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How about something positive on what a great job the Government are doing

So, over to you ... this is your chance!

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35918565)

A closed insular mind to the world will never accept any differing view of their view that is for sure as a open mind will learn but sadly a closed mind will not.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35918565)

I personally think that some of the Conservative policies are good. I also think the same about Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens.

Yes the Conservatives do have some decent policies as do the other parties but the Conservatives are so deeply obsessed with Brexit that many of the important issues facing this country and what people want sorted out are being ignored sadly.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35918565)

If you want to read this kind of negative rubbish, go to the Daily Mail, Socialist Worker or Express where you will be in your heaven.

Exactly as who would want to read that rubbish.

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35918563)

I agree with nearly all of your post, except the bit about funding.

Whilst 9k is more than delivery cost of some Arts degrees, it does not go anyway near covering the cost of the STE part of the STEM courses, and does not take into consideration the ongoing costs of maintaining and enhancing University infrastructure (buildings, faculty resources, IT, etc.).

In the past (before fees came in) these costs were mostly covered by one-off tranches from Central Government - all these now needs to be met by student fees (or bonds raised against the future income from Student Fees). Also, Universities pays VAT on most of the goods and services they receive, but can only recover a small percentage of VAT, via partial exemption recovery rules, which puts a 20% loading on most purchases.

I'd like to know the true cost of tuition as opposed to the rest. Osem Jnr hardly ever saw his lecturers and did 90% of the work on his own or in a classroom setting with minimal input from his university. His third year was spent working in a school 4 days per week with a few hours set aside on Friday for admin/uni stuff related to the course. He paid £9k for that particular privilege most of which wasn't going towards tuition IMHO. At least he has a job, however.

The answer to this problem is clearly not straightforward but I think many students are getting royally ripped off in what has very quickly become a business and they're getting really very poor value for money in many cases. These new concessions are going to make precious little difference to the reality students face but we all know that what Labour promised prior to the election was just so much pie in the sky. The whole thing is a complete mess and the cost of administering it all is going to mushroom out of control. At some point there has to be a complete rethink but where will that leave the countless thousands who're already up to their necks in debt? :shrug:

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35918546)

Those knives are sharpening again this morning for Theresa as with friends like that who needs enemies...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-tories-knives

Nah, it's a poisoned chalice, only an idiot would want the job right now.

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35918553)

It's feeling a bit unfair the amount of piling on people are doing to Theresa May. Every day seems to bring new revelations someone is leaking to damage her ahead of her conference speech.

Aren't the Conservatives a delightful bunch when it comes to things like this?

Of course Labour aren't that much better; while I think his policies are insanity Jeremy Corbyn had much the same treatment.

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So May refuses say if Boris is 'unsackable' and it's a big story...

https://order-order.com/2017/10/01/m...is-unsackable/

Well what on Earth did they expect her to say. :rofl:

This is just the usual media probing and mischief making. The same questions yielding the same predictable 'non-answers'. I guess it pays the bills and fills pages/airtime...

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Paul Staines, a libertarian wanting the extreme deregulation, tax cuts and shredding of the welfare state and NHS that it seems half the cabinet are up for, writing things to fit his political agenda and cause grief for those he opposes for fear they won't follow his vision. Who would've thought.

Strange how all the things he writes about Labour and the Liberal Democrats weren't subjected to the same scrutiny.

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In more news a media hack asks the PM if she's going to resign and she says no... :rofl:

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion

Another theory on Boris Johnson's behaviour comes courtesy of The Sunday Times. It says Johnson may be trying to get sacked as he is struggling to fund all his family obligations on a cabinet minister’s salary of £140k.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...year-b0qmmfwrj

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35918619)

Another theory on Boris Johnson's behaviour comes courtesy of The Sunday Times. It says Johnson may be trying to get May to sack him because he is struggling to fund all his personal obligations on a cabinet minister’s salary of £140k.

l would take that with a pinch of salt Andrew.

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He’s trying to get fired to try and unseat May imo.

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35918632)

He’s trying to get fired to try and unseat May imo.

l personally cannot see her lasting more then another year at most.

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I'd seen that article, Andrew. There are some good policies in there and some horrid ones.

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May will promise to:

■ Freeze tuition fees at their current level Too little, too late.
■ Raise the threshold at which graduates start paying off their debt from £21,000 to £25,000 — saving graduates £360 a year. This will cost taxpayers £1.2bn Too little, too late.

■ Set up a commission to examine whether to slash existing debt and force universities to charge less than £9,000 for courses that give students less value for money. Not a bad idea, depending on who is in the commission and the findings.

In an effort to help young people onto the housing ladder, the government will:

■ Plough an extra £10bn into the Help to Buy scheme, allowing an extra 135,000 to get a low-cost loan to buy a first home I cannot face-palm hard enough to express my thoughts on this.

Everything below is all good, though.

■ Ban letting fees, which cost the average tenant £327

■ Extend the code of practice that governs letting agents to private landlords

■ Devise tax incentives to encourage landlords to offer longer tenancies.

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35918632)

He’s trying to get fired to try and unseat May imo.

Why? He'd want the job right now would he? :shrug:

If I were Boris, or anyone else with leadership ambitions, I'd let her get on with it for a while.