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papa smurf 16-05-2017 16:46

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35899059)
Doesn't look like Corbyn's planning to reverse all those terrible benefit cuts imposed by the nasty evil Tories that he's spent years moaning about. I wonder why not.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...se-axe-freeze/

he doesn't need too he's nationalising hope .:)

denphone 16-05-2017 16:52

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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 35899064)
◾Cuts to bereavement support payment will be scrapped, as will the bedroom tax and the "punitive sanctions regime"

I'd say that's a start at least. It'll be interesting to see what the Tories are going offer those that really need help. Or will they just concentrate on helping the rich at the poor's expense.

Though they are all as bad as each other anyway.

That about sums it up peanut as truth and sincerity are in very short supply sadly with most politicians nowadays.

Osem 16-05-2017 17:55

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... and here's McDonnell explaining how what Labour said would be fully costed manifesto proposals aren't fully costed in the case of water privatisation which would cost many tens of billions.

https://order-order.com/2017/05/16/m...-fully-costed/

Not really a surprise is it. They just can't seem to get a grip on those pesky numbers. :D

TheDaddy 17-05-2017 01:21

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35899002)
Labour's plan for 30% corpoaration tax is going to make Ireland's 12.5% look very attractive to big business whereas smaller businesses that have already been hard hit by revalued business rates, cannot re-locate and are struggling are likely to go under.

The current rate here around 20% on many £billions is better than 30% of diddley squat.

It happened under Labour in the 70's with the resulting mass unemployment and rocketing interest rates. Under Corbyn's . Labour it would happen again only much worse. The last few years in France and more severely Venezuela, should be a lesson to all.

Could you afford your mortgage with a 15% interest rate?

What like it was under John Major?

I read an interesting article on the '70's crisis (cough, to young to remember it) that said LBJ threatened to wreck the UK economy if we didn't join the war in Vietnam, not many years later that happened, not sure if it's true or to what extent there was economic arm twisting or if I'm even remembering the article 100% correctly!!

heero_yuy 17-05-2017 08:37

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35899140)
What like it was under John Major?

Now you know full well that that is not a valid comparison: The sky high interest rate under Major was due to the almost suicidal attempt to stay in the snake, the predecessor of the Euro, and was only temporary. Unlike the economic failure under Calaghan that had us going begging, cap in hand, to the IMF for a bailout worth £8bn in todays money to prevent the country going bankrupt as no one else would loan us anything as "The sick man of Europe" couldn't pay it's debts.

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I read an interesting article on the '70's crisis (cough, to young to remember it) that said LBJ threatened to wreck the UK economy if we didn't join the war in Vietnam, not many years later that happened, not sure if it's true or to what extent there was economic arm twisting or if I'm even remembering the article 100% correctly!!
I'll get my tin foil hat out. :D

Chris 17-05-2017 10:03

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35899140)
What like it was under John Major?

You'd have to ask Edwina Currie.

Osem 17-05-2017 10:03

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35899154)
Now you know full well that that is not a valid comparison: The sky high interest rate under Major was due to the almost suicidal attempt to stay in the snake, the predecessor of the Euro, and was only temporary. Unlike the economic failure under Calaghan that had us going begging, cap in hand, to the IMF for a bailout worth £8bn in todays money to prevent the country going bankrupt as no one else would loan us anything as "The sick man of Europe" couldn't pay it's debts.



I'll get my tin foil hat out. :D

:tu: Labour's capacity to mismanage the economy is legendary and it's always been others who've had to pick up the pieces and do the dirty work to get things back on track. It wasn't the Tories who let the banking sector run riot, it was a certain G. Brown.

Even now we're having to pay £billions in interest every year on the massive debts accrued on their watch and if Brown had won in 2010, they'd have faced the very same problem rather than the coalition, then and the Tories now.

Mr K 17-05-2017 10:22

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35899167)
:tu: Labour's capacity to mismanage the economy is legendary and it's always been others who've had to pick up the pieces and do the dirty work to get things back on track.

Even now we're having to pay £billions in interest every year on the massive debts accrued on their watch and if Brown had won in 2010, they'd have faced the very same problem rather than the coalition.


And yet public sector debt is much bigger now than under labour and still rising, even after 7 years of austerity. Maybe the medicine isn't working.

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1andrew1 17-05-2017 10:57

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35899170)
And yet public sector debt is much bigger now than under labour and still rising, even after 7 years of austerity. Maybe the medicine isn't working.

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An interesting chart.
The trouble is that the UK doesn't want to pay the taxes necessary to pay down the debt and cover the spending levels we need given increased demands on the NHS and other areas. We'd rather discuss inefficiencies in Government spending whilst letting future generations pick up the tab.

Chris 17-05-2017 11:24

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35899170)
And yet public sector debt is much bigger now than under labour and still rising, even after 7 years of austerity. Maybe the medicine isn't working.

Another Labour cheerleader who doesn't appear to understand the difference, and the relationship between, deficit and debt. :rolleyes:

papa smurf 17-05-2017 11:26

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35899184)
Another Labour cheerleader who doesn't appear to understand the difference, and the relationship between, deficit and debt. :rolleyes:

a student of the Diane Abbott school of economics :)

Mick 17-05-2017 11:45

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35899184)
Another Labour cheerleader who doesn't appear to understand the difference, and the relationship between, deficit and debt. :rolleyes:

Mr K, take heed, this is Education education education. :rofl:

Mr K 17-05-2017 11:46

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35899184)
Another Labour cheerleader who doesn't appear to understand the difference, and the relationship between, deficit and debt. :rolleyes:

I understand this Govt. has totally failed to generate any significant growth, although they are very good at cutting, I'll give them that.

p.s. I've never voted Labour.

Ramrod 17-05-2017 12:16

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35899166)
You'd have to ask Edwina Currie.

At least Major had slightly better taste than Corbyn! :D

Osem 17-05-2017 12:21

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35899186)
a student of the Diane Abbott school of economics :)

A senior lecturer more like. :D


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