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I don't get why some people keep sayings it's preachy and PC, or there is agendas.

It was an alien virus that just happened to use plastic to spread. Not that different to the Nestene/Autons.

Also a gay couple, no problem with that.

I enjoyed it as I always do, I am just watching a fun sci-fi show.

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36024141)

Just in case you missed the last lecture, they rammed it in again this week.

Oh, and just to tick another PC box, the married couple were of course both male.

Its getting very tiresome now.

I hope they were of different ethnicity too,otherwise that wouldn't be diverse enough.

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36024141)

Just in case you missed the last lecture, they rammed it in again this week.

Oh, and just to tick another PC box, the married couple were of course both male.

Its getting very tiresome now.

Well, I've enjoyed the new series of Doctor Who, far more than I have any series since David Tennant left. I've enjoyed them all, but this one the most.

Personally, where they do include couples, I have no problem with those couples being gay. I think that Dr Who has just about got the balance right this series. The fact the couple in last night's episode were gay wasn't a thing itself, they just were. As Grace and Graham (Bradley Walsh's character) were treated as just a couple, without fanfare.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36024148)

Got bored with it towards the end of David Tenants run, interest was piqued mildly when John Hurt was in it but that soon dissipated and not really watched it since, doesn't sound like I've missed much, I thought the show in desperate need of a hiatus years ago and now by the sounds of it needs to be put out of it's misery

Just because you don't enjoy it doesn't mean others don't. I hate Mrs Brown's Boys, but that doesn't mean I am calling for it to be axed and replaced with a decent comedy.

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Actually, seeing all these moans reminds me of what was apparently Viz's first letter, which just moaned the magazine wasn't as good as it used to be.

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36024141)

Just in case you missed the last lecture, they rammed it in again this week.

Oh, and just to tick another PC box, the married couple were of course both male.

Its getting very tiresome now.

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RANI: Would PHB or PES do?
DOCTOR: What?
RANI: I asked you a question!
DOCTOR: Did you? Mel, there's something caged in there.
RANI: Yes, I dare say. Would PHB or PES do?
DOCTOR: Eh?
RANI: As a suitable material for the machine.
DOCTOR: Oh, yes. PHB. It's biodegradable. We don't want to litter up Lakertya with non-destructible waste like they're doing on your planet, Mel.
RANI: What are you looking for?
DOCTOR: Sugar and starch. We can ferment our own.
RANI: You won't find it there. What about the alternative?
DOCTOR: PES? No, not so good. It's a petroleum based plastic.

Time and the Rani, 1987

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DOCTOR: No, no, no!
BRIGADIER: But, Doctor, it's exactly your cup of tea. This fellow's bright green apparently, and dead.
DOCTOR: Lethbridge Stewart, I'm not a policeman. Neither are you, for that matter.
BRIGADIER: Ah, but there are international implications, you see. Possibility of sabotage at Global Chemicals. It's UNIT's duty to protect them. My duty.
DOCTOR: Then do your duty, Brigadier.
BRIGADIER: But, Doctor, surely you must see the
(Jo enters carrying a bag and wearing a white sheepskin trimmed coat.)
BRIGADIER: Ah, Miss Grant, I've a little job for you. I want you to
JO: I'm sorry, Brigadier, I can't.
BRIGADIER: Can't? Can I remind you, Miss Grant, that you are
JO: That I am a member of UNIT. Orders, court martials and all that. But unless you arrest me, I mean, unless you actually seize me and fling me into a dungeon, I
DOCTOR: Ah, Jo, all ready?
JO: Oh dear. Doctor, I mean it. I'm going to go to South Wales because they have got to be stopped.
BRIGADIER: Who's got to be stopped?
JO: Well, Global Chemicals, of course. Can't you see the harm this go ahead will do?
BRIGADIER: No, Miss Grant, I can't. Cheap petrol and lots of it. Exactly what the world needs.
JO: No! No, look it's time to call a halt! It's time that the world awoke to the alarm bell of pollution instead of sliding down the slippery slopes of, of, of, whatever it is.
DOCTOR: A very pretty mixed metaphor.
BRIGADIER: Yes, I seem to recognise the style. This fellow, Jones, isn't it? The Nutcake Professor, isn't that what the papers call him?
JO: That doesn't make him wrong, does it.
BRIGADIER: And you want to go down there to help him in his noble fight against the windmills, down to Llanfairfach.
JO: I'm sorry, Brigadier. I'm going to go even if it means resigning from UNIT.

The Green Death, 1973.

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DOCTOR: Brigadier, Brigadier! Have you brought me two hundred and seventy million miles just to sort out a little trouble at sea?
BRIGADIER: Three serious disasters, Doctor!
DOCTOR: When I left the psionic beam with you, Brigadier, I said it was only to be used in an emergency.
BRIGADIER: This is an emergency.
DOCTOR: Oil an emergency? Huh! It's about time the people who run this planet of yours realised that to be dependent upon a mineral slime just doesn't make sense. Now, the energising of hydrogen ...

Terror of the Zygons, 1975

Doctor Who’s interest in topical environmental issues is just about as old as the show itself. It really is nothing new.

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36024141)

Just in case you missed the last lecture, they rammed it in again this week.

Oh, and just to tick another PC box, the married couple were of course both male.

Its getting very tiresome now.

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a30727...3B17631C089284

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36024187)

Doctor Who’s interest in topical environmental issues is just about as old as the show itself. It really is nothing new.

Three examples across 15 years ..... and pretty tame at that.
Blink and you would miss two of them, and the other was throwaway lines about Jo leaving, not the subject of the episode.
That as opposed to multiple episodes in one season (and bluntly rammed down your throat multiple times, lecture style).

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36024350)

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a30727...3B17631C089284

Seriously ? So it's ok to kill a character now, as long as they are not gay ?

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While it's vital that queer characters are treated like any other, it's damaging to see underrepresented groups killed off disproportionately ..

Doctor Who kills characters all the time, and no one cares (Daleks are really good at it). Kill one gay and suddenly its disproportionate. FFS. :rolleyes:

[.. and I guess all these twitter idiots have completely forgotten how the show made Captain Jack Immortal :dozey:]

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36024368)

Three examples off the top of my head, that I could remember without doing any looking up. Pretty sure I could find plenty more, especially from the Pertwee era which was famous for it. Incidentally, the Green Death dialogue is from the beginning of part one, not Jo’s exit scene - the environmental debate was part and parcel of the entire story, and did indeed play its part in her decision to leave.

Also it's not as if it's only Doctor Who which does this. I think people notice it more in the recent Doctor Who episodes but messages within storytelling have always existed. People use the art of a certain time as a way to explore the period.

I think it's easier to spot it in scientific fiction because the created world makes it's more obvious when the writer has made an intentional choice of what to include in it. If they've created a society which has a class system for example it's clear the writer did that intentionally rather than it being a mere accident of the location it's set. It also gives the writer more scope to explore whatever issue they want since they're less limited.

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36024368)

Seriously ? So it's ok to kill a character now, as long as they are not gay ?

It is gender discrimination and a protected characteristic so if you are gay it means everyone can die as long as it is not you

It's all got too complicated, Daleks exterminating everyone I could understand. I sort of see where they were coming from now...

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Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 36024449)

It is gender discrimination and a protected characteristic so if you are gay it means everyone can die as long as it is not you

I was being sarcastic. It was the best thing I could come up with because I couldn't find all the posts to quote where Paul said "you moan a lot" and "if you don't like don't watch it" :)

Perhaps because they dont exist .... :erm:

.. and this weeks lesson was ?
(not that hard a question, they even gave the phone number out at the end, just in case you were not paying attention at all :rolleyes:)

At last, a decent episode, not trying to be Preachy or PC. :)

Still confused what the side story with the policeman is about, but even so, a good entertaining episode, lets hope the final one is as good.

That was proper edge of the seat stuff there.

I have a feeling that the Irish folk will be or something to do with the timeless children and they are either the origins of the Timelords, or at least where the Timelords, learned about regeneration from. The 4th and 10th doctors both joked about Gallifrey being in Ireland.

The Cybermen are finally scary again.