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Good to know I can treat all you posts as irrelevant. Thanks.

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Happy to help…

(I thought you did already ;))

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Or a case of 'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned' .

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We’ve been through all that, jfman.

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Boris should be remembered as the PM who got the BIG decisions right (Brexit, COVID, Ukraine) and the little things wrong (wallpaper, having a morale-boosting drink with his staff). This tried the patience of those who were looking to stab him in the back but there is no significant evidence that those who voted for him have lost faith.

TV is powerful propaganda.

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We all get a good write up from the ex, never any animosity or back stabbing:)

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In a very unsatisfactory manner, yes indeed we have.

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He got BIG decisions wrong as well though... it may well have been a morale-boosting drink as you say, but at the time, it was against the law, and ,he was fined accordingly. His decision making process with regards to Chris Pincher was atrocious. AGAIN it was the attempts af subverting the truth that is the bigger issue that seems to have caused his downfall

Brexit - in my belief, still has major issues that need to be resolved, personally, i don't consider it a great success yet (I honestly don't think it will be a success at all, however, I hope it is.)
COVID - i don't see how he handled it any better than most other countries
Ukraine - He has made the calls on that absolutely right.

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His biggest mistake was delivering Brexit, there was no way he could keep his position after that. The establishment were not happy and the establishment had him removed.

All we have to look forward to now is years of trying to become some kind of quasi-member of the EU.

Let’s just see how the negotiations on the N.I. Protocol, metamorphise into a bigger discussion on the single market…………

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Well he sure made it easy for them then by constantly screwing up.

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That's actually a very salient point. Regardless of individuals position on Brexit, it would have been a poisoned chalice for whomever had to deliver/partially deliver it.

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No point arguing the toss; let’s agree to disagree. I know that I would be happy for Boris to still be PM, no Minister gets everything right all of the time, and IMO, his contribution far outweighs his shortcomings. Thankfully, his successor will be from the same Party.

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Cleared once, investigation reopened, cleared a second time. This was the reinvestigation

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Then the police want investigating.

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The fact he got taken down by 'little things' isn't an injustice it's just a sign of how this was almost entirely self-inflicted. He wasn't taken down because he got into an argument with his party over the direction of Brexit, or the economy or COVID.

He was taken down by arrogance and lack of attention to detail. If he had considered that holding parties during a lockdown wouldn't look good, if he thought that he shouldn't really change the rules to get his mate off the hook, if he hadn't hired someone with sexual assault allegations against him and most of all if he hadn't pointlessly lied about these things only to be caught out then he wouldn't have needed to resign. Remainers didn't make him do those things. Remainers don't have the powerbase within the Tory Party to seriously challenge him.

If Johnson has any capacity for self-reflection he might one day regret how pointlessly he squandered a large majority on these issues rather than on anything ambitious. Most PMs go because they picked a battle they ultimately couldn't win. Johnson just shot himself in the foot for nothing.

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I think propaganda could reasonably describe the notion he got these big decisions right. Brexit achieved with little consideration to solving the details, higher Covid deaths per capita than some countries, weaker economic recovery. Ukraine? I’m not sure he’s done anything that couldn’t reasonably be achieved by an average politician desperately seeking a good news story to deflect from domestic problems.

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Because you get made up Twitter crap/rumour, like the one about Sir Keir being fined and appealing a few pages ago.
Sir K has been rightly been cleared I'm sure you'll be delighted to know. :)

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www.ready4rishi.com

I look forward to all these Tories telling us about fixing our broken economy and levelling up the UK. If only they’d told any of the previous four Chancellors.

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Barnard castle is a bigly to. It's not even that he kept lying, I accept the public are okay with them lying even if I am not, it's how he lies, the drip release of truth followed by new lies over the course of days, it's insulting and completely disrespectful

I think you're right, Brexit was done in such a incompetent way we were going to break international law to make it work, although he did say he'd get it done I guess, he never said it'd be done well or even legally, covid, any credit he gets for the vaccine should be tempered with the care homes, were people were literally sent to their deaths in droves, Ukraine, who would have done any different, well I like to think no British pm would have but then plenty in Europe haven't done as much and the last American president may well have done nothing

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I think he’s bust his chances. I really do.

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Get ready for Rishi's National Insurance hike.

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Boo hiss hate him

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Javid showed genuine leadership by resigning and Sunak just copied him. If you're PM you can't just copy someone else.

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They did it within minutes of each other, it was clearly planned together.

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OK, thanks.

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He was not removed for Brexit, he was removed for lying.

I can of course understand how you might get the two mixed up. ;)

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I'm surprised that he intends to stay on as an MP. Not long after he was made PM, he was whining about how he couldn't live on the pay, yet an MP's salary will be lower.

I assumed that he'd leave to make money from working in the private sector or by making after dinner speeches (about Peppa Pig :D)

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I’m sure his friends formerly in the KGB will find him something to occupy his time and it’ll be lucrative.

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Surely the best Boris meme?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXKVEm1X...jpg&name=small

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"Choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without" – Merovingian (The Matrix Reloaded)

Is choosing the least worst Conservative party member to be the new PM really a good thing? People accept things when they feel they had a choice, even when there really isn't any.

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Nadine's going to run. She sees herself as the Boris continuity candidate :D :D :D
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2119090.html

So continued lawbreaking, incompetentence etc.... tbf she'd be quite good a that...

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Brexit achieved whilst Parliament was trying it’s hardest to defy a democratic decision. In the process totally destroying Labour and the notion that the great uneducated/ unwashed didn’t know what they voted for. After three years of debate, they reminded everyone what they voted for.

I mean we all know you were a lockdown and furlough fetishist and wanted to see that continue forever. He took us out earlier than any pretty much any other Western country. My view hasn’t changed - he shouldn’t have lockdowned in the first place - but he did get us out early.

Well, it’s debatable depending what report or what graph you see. As I see it, we’re in the same race as everyone else and not out of it. No one is having a good time now. No one is really “recovering” so we have to ride it.

yeah but he was first in. Everybody saw that and now the train into Kyiv is the biggest celeb ticket in town.

By your standard the whole of the EU are below average, in which……you have a point.

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He is not the answer, nor will he win.

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Of course he was. ;)

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Yes, however at a minimum standard.

Lockdowned isn’t a word, but that’s an aside.

It’s not really a debate, Pierre it’s a statement of facts. Comparisons can be made and our economic recovery is among the worst. Inflation among the highest.

“We have to ride it” as quite an obscure economic analysis even by your own limited standards. The Government aren’t a passive actor in the economy - they guide policy that should be leading it not the other way around.

As I say, an extremely limited positive that anyone could have achieved with so much to avoid at home.

Two out of your three insights here are telling as they are purely ideological - he did what you wanted. This explains fully your sycophantic endorsement of his hapless Government regardless of consequence in the real world.

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It’s good……it’s not Aristotle.

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Lockdown is a word and is also a phrase verb. Therefore, Lockdowned can then be used a verb, in the past tense……but that’s an aside

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionari...lish/lock-down

everything is a debate. Our economic recovery is not the worst and our inflation not the highest. Beyond that you have to look at all the specific issues for each countries specific economy. Generalisations are good for headlines only.

easy to say, but “anyone” didn’t. He did. Then the bandwagon followed.

Macron, Van der Leyen, …Stiller FFS, Branson + a cast of thousands.

He gave Putin the political finger, whilst the EU gave him billions.

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I agree with many of your posts, Pierre, but how can you say that?

The public voted for Brexit. Brexit HAD to be delivered! We live in a democracy.

Public trust would disappear if the goverrnment ignored the result of referendums.

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You have a point, except that they were not big decisions. They had no impact on the country at all.

You are being distracted by irrelevant detail.

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It's the Met that need investigating, papa. Neither should have received a fine.

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You don’t appear to have understood what I wrote. Read it again

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Steve Baker rules himself out from standing for leader

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/sta...08480718626817

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Only to the extent that people with extremely limited knowledge can persist in commenting on anything regardless, well yes. Everything can be a debate.

Whether it adds anything worthwhile to the discourse, well, who am I to judge.

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A real shame.

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:rofl:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=2696

Yet you seemed so certain it was a party. What no evidence has come to light that Starmer had reasonable excuse to be a gathering and what bearing does that have on BJ’s birthday party?

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Too many people waiting to get the knife into his back in revenge, and not just for Johnson.

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The readyforrishi.com domain was registered in December, a few days after one of the parties from which which the photos leaked. The ready4rishi.com domain was more recently registered at the same domain registrar. The older domain redirects to the newer domain. A PR person would probably advise someone with the old longer domain to change to the easier to digest and more pleasing to the eye newer domain.

Its doesn't prove beyond a doubt the old domain is his but if it is, you have to wonder about the timing of its creation.

If I remember correctly, the photos that got leaked were taken from his office it was worked out because of the angle and the floorplan of the building. Don't quote me on that its not something I have checked. But if true , along with the domain names, it would suggest he has had this planned for a while.

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It does makes you wonder. With the timing of the domain name. He should have used RishiTheSnakeSunak.com which is more apt.

"Rishi Sunak blamed for embarrassing Boris Johnson leak as Chancellor eyes leadership bid"

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...k-latest-covid

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That cringy video wasn't just put together overnight either, the man seems like a bit of a snake

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In fairness to Rishi - he could have simply registered the domain name for when he used his Green Card to run for office in America? It’d explain the US spellings in the video. He speaks of patriotism but I didn’t catch to which country.

Ben Wallace not running to concentrate on the day job, which I assume now includes working with Simon Case to keep valuable state secrets off the desk of our discredited caretaker Prime Minister in case they fall into the wrong hands when he fancies a two day bender with a KGB agent.

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Ben Wallace rules himself out


Rt. Hon Ben Wallace MP
@BWallaceMP

United Kingdom government official
After careful consideration and discussing with colleagues and family, I have taken the decision not to enter the contest for leadership of the Conservative Party. I am very grateful to all my parliamentary colleagues and wider members who have pledged support. 1/2

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Taken from Sunak's office, no less.

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Grant Shapps :rofl:

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AKA Michael Green, Corinne Stockheath and Sebastian Fox… ;)

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Ex-health secretaries Sajid Javid and Jeremy Hunt join Tory leadership race

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62110114

Wouldn’t it be easier to have list of Tory MPs who aren’t standing?

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Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi’s tax affairs under investigation by HMRC

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2119590.html

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Hunt and Javid enter race via the telegraph

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Here we go.

Anybody putting their head above the parapet to be the next tory leader will face the wrath of the independent (sic) guanriad, bbc, sky, twatter etc. etc. :rolleyes:

If only they were so concerned about all politicians......

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In fairness I think most are facing the wrath of their colleagues at the minute.

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come on Julian it not just tory leader candidates that get the wrath

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Hunt and Javid, both failed Health Secretaries, I can’t tell you how the feeling of rejoice when Hunt was no longer involved in Health, but these two would advocate for stronger lockdowns. Hunt, favoured China style lockdowns, where you were not allowed to leave your house for any reason, not even for food, you had to use a delivery service that stretched to the limit, many Chinese residents were going days without food.

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Yes, fancy reporting that the Chancellor is under investigation from HMRC. :erm:

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Very irresponsible of them! :D

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When will the first love child appear, or the first exotic dancer :naughty:




Looks like dom's on the case https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...GLEN-OWEN.html

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They say it’s non-presidential, pm job and it absolutely is in some aspects, trying to find dirt on your rivals.

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Not too impressed by the array of backstabbers after the job, if i was bojo i would drip feed poison about the backstabbers and plotters to spoil there chances of profiting from there disloyalty.

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Trade minister Penny Mordaunt has announced that she will be running for Conservative Party leader.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1546051983223701505

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And a patriotic video https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...British-values


meanwhile jeremy hunt trying to polish a turd and sprinkle it with glitter

Bombshell announcement: Hunt blows Tory leadership wide open with Esther Mcvey DPM deal

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ip-deal-update

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Are any of the candidates actually Conservative?

Or are they all wannabe blairs.

Pretty obvious that any candidate that retains pro leave, controlled immigration stance ( on which the tories were elected ) is going to be mercilessly attacked by the usual sections of the MSM.

The tories need to realise that unless they get something out of the next GE they face political oblivion forever.

As is most likely, a lib-lab pact will continue as it has already started bringing even more gimmegrants, votes for 16 year olds and no holds on green taxes which are crippling the economy.

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Javid denied this today.
https://twitter.com/janemerrick23/st...55362155057152

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If any of those two fannies get the job I might even vote for independence :D

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The bookies have the top 5 as
1. Sunak
2. Mordaunt
3. Truss
4. Hunt
5. Tugendhat
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics...prime-minister

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Lol - Sunak's the bookies' favourite so you may find yourself voting with jfman!

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It's literally their business to know them as best they can. ;)

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There is regular polling of the membership from proper pollsters as well as Conservative Home. The bookies are probably getting it from places like that.

There are people - well, journalists - whose job it is to be deeply ingrained with the membership of the main parties precisely because of how it filters through to the country so we usually have an imperfect but decent understanding of it.

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Sunake in pole position is ludicrous.

Didn't he get a fine for partygate?

Isn't there still a stench around his tax affairs and his wife's non-dom status?

But he is a fully paid up member of WEF......

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1. Sunak - leave
2. Mordaunt - leave
3. Truss - remain
4. Hunt - remain
5. Tugendhat - remain
6. Javed - remain
7. Shapps - remain
8. Wallace - remain

I miss Boris already. Back-stabbing bar stewards

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As the most-favoured Leaver, the MSM will be on board to support Sunak. Expect the Daily Mail, The Sun, The Times and Daily Telegraph to be encouraged to promote him by their foreign and offshore owners. The Daily Express will doubtless follow suit as well.

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The difference is that's increasingly less of a dividing line now. The Remainers there aren't advocating rejoin - even Labour aren't advocating Rejoin - and are signed up to the result. The Tory Membership originally had high numbers for Wallace and Truss is quite popular despite both being Remain. People have largely moved on from this being the central issue of politics.

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I really hope it doesn’t boil down to whether someone campaigned to leave or remain. The Tories can’t reasonably expect the country to move on if even they can’t!

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The country hasn't moved on, the "48% "are still moaning about the sodding bus etc

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Externally, the Conservatives and their followers have tried to weaponise Brexit by saying Starmer voted to overturn a democratic decision. So they have a motive to lean into 2016 mode to remind Red Wall voters.

But in the realm of the next Conservative leader, Truss's popularity suggests a moving-on internally.

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Oh no they haven’t. You are speaking with forked tongue Remoaner. Boris’s scalp has been the target ever since he led us out of the mealy-mouthed, appeasing EU.

Remainers never give up on their baloney.

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You are about right regards your analysis. You have, however, chosen the two people who have achieved nothing notable and who, for most people in the country, are anonymous.

I think it sums up the shallow pool of talent available when the only people available are those who were willing to unthinkingly follow the Pied Piper of Brexit.

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Yep, leave/remain is still the issue. At least you’re man enough to admit it; other remoaners are taking a more covert tack.

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Then why do you think the candidates are appealing to the membership with tax cuts and culture war issues as their focus rather than Brexit? All of them will say they support Brexit now it's done. None of them would dare try to reverse it or they'll be turfed out by their own party ASAP.

If Boris Johnson was the victim of a Remoaner plot then why were two of his biggest detractors in getting him out key figures of the Leave campaigns? Dominic Cummings and Steve Baker. If Remoaners were so powerful in the Tory Party they would have deposed Johnson long ago. He went because of his own incompetence.

As for me talking with a forked tongue then why would I? I am not involved in the Tory Party, I have no incentive to lie about what I think their internal fights are about. Believe it or not, people who supported Remain are not all in a secret club where we do our plotting.

I wanted Remain, we lost, I would vote to Remain again but it's not my obsession now.

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Methinks thou doth protest too much Remoaner :D.

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Alright.

Bit harsh. He even fought for Britain in the army. :erm: Dual nationals should be fine IMO.

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I think sephs a bit worried he might get a second job cycling around London selling onions.

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Aw, c’mon Redamien, it’s only a forum;).

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I suspect they won't go after him for being a French citizen.

Not sure if he'll get through to the final round anyway though. I think it'll be Truss vs Sunak.

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I think they've all taken the Boris' precedent of lying now being allowed. Tax cuts for everyone, plus free sweeties, but no cuts to public services.
Might fool the Tory faithful but the electorate won't be conned.

Anyway, entertaining to see them tearing each other apart for a couple of months. Can't see any red wall voters , who might have voted for Boris, voting for any of these muppets. A shoe in for the innocent Sir K...

Meanwhile who is running the Country? I'm sure they haven’t put personal ambition ahead of the day job?

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And for me. Governed by, on one hand, a person that is so out of touch with reality, he probably does not know how many homes he has and on the other, err, a moron.

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Recent elections and opinion polls suggest otherwise. The red wall has evaporated and a yellow one is appearing down south. Even Wokingham is looking marginal ;)

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I think a lot of people voted for Boris. He was a character and someone you may like to go to the pub with. Those coming in are just typical politicos, none really stand out either in ability or personality. Those that have some personality probably lack ability and the ones who may be able are a bit grey. Maybe Boris' real family was Beeblebrox.

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Gets me why people are obsessed with personality anyway. I blame X Factor celebrity come dancing on ice. They voted for an entertaining clown and thats what they got. Trouble is its wrecked the country. Not so entertaining now.

Somebody competent and can do the job maybe? Just like any other job.

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Yup, Redwood failed to lead on calling-out Johnson and the young hard-working folk of Wokingham may well have noticed this.

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BREAKING: ITV will hold a live television debate with the Conservative leadership candidates next Sunday at 7pm. The debate will take place at ITV's White City studios. - Peston.

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It’s nothing like that at all, Tory voters remained at home. That’s how they won. By-elections prove Jack shit, given historical events, specifically Thatcher era, showed Tories won landslide despite losing several by-elections mid term.