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Did you argue that for Owen Paterson, Ben? There seem to be a lot of double standards here.

If they come over on a dinghy, they are entering illegally and should be sent back, full stop. France has now backed down and indicated that they would accept that.

But France is also correct in saying there should be a legitimate way to claim asylum from France. The solution is so simple.

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Well, as you will have seen on the news, France is prepared to agree to have illegal migrants from there back. One more so called ‘disadvantage of leaving the EU’ removed.

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We have a number of Indians, Hong Kongers and Chinese in my area and they are all integrating nicely.

The Ugandan Asians who came over here during Idi Amin’s rule have not only integrated but have been very successful since being in the UK.

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I suspect Old Boy misheard the news. Here's the latest news.
https://news.yahoo.com/france-offer-...kip=1638218622

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and clear the French camps, stuff the French. Just hope Boris has the spine to stand up to them

French police see a boat on the beach stop them going into the sea. If they have to put a bullet in the boat. Simples

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Why not let them apply for asylum from France, as France has suggested? That way, there would be no need to cross the Channel unless there was something amiss.

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we will see if that all pans out

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It can take up to 6 months for a decision, and they'll stay in France until it's made.

If the decision goes against them, do/can they appeal or do they climb on a boat and hope to avoid detection when here?

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Yeah they really shown patience aint they. 6 Months? how many crossing attempts will they make in that time ?

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We need to speed that timescale up. If you then decide to take a boat across instead of wait, it's going to make you an unlikely asylum-seeker.

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How do you mean 'speed that timescale up'?
Surely you're not suggesting we take short cuts on the administration and investigation side of things?

Just think of the 'potential' errors if we start to rush applications . . . not to mention the shouts of Favouritism/Discrimination by those not in France, but sat waiting in English camps.

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Employ more staff? Maybe learn from quicker countries like Germany?
Quicker does not mean poorer quality.

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I guess this is the natural consequence of the hatred whipped up in the right wing media:

Hastings RNLI lifeboat crew ‘blocked from going out to sea’ by people angry at them rescuing refugees

Farage would be proud of them ..

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I seem to remember recently whereby an Insulate Britain protest blocked an ambulance from getting through. There were posters on here calling for the protesters to be given a good kicking.

I wonder if we'll see the same level of outrage displayed here?

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This kind of aggressive behaviour only discourages RNLI volunteering, so the protestors are well and truly shooting themselves in the foot.

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Anyone on here that lives down that way?

Just thought an 'on the spot' poster could give us an insight into the mood of the people down there that live with it daily . .

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We haven't seen a Viking rowing up the Humber in ages.

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Nothing left to plunder mate . . . and the state of the women waving and blowing kisses from the shore put them off any recreational pastimes ;)

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If I remember correctly, I heard it on Radio 4 or LBC News, but this article is the first I stumbled on that makes reference to it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...hannel-deaths/

It looks to me that France wants these migrants to be relocated over the whole of the EU, not just in France.

[EXTRACT]

…it appeared on Monday night that France is seeking an EU-wide agreement that could involve the return of Channel migrants to the continent.

Mr Darmanin called for a "balanced" accord that would offer "real solutions" for dealing with organised trafficking networks that are often spread across France, Belgium, Germany and other countries. He insisted it could not be with France alone, but with all of the EU.

"We do not want a unilateral agreement," he said after a meeting chaired by Mr Macron. "An agreement would set the framework for co-operation between Britain and bordering countries on immigration issues that were not negotiated at the time of Brexit."

The deal set to be proposed by France could include ways to ensure unaccompanied minors can safely reach Britain to rejoin their families instead of putting themselves at the mercy of traffickers, Mr Darmanin said. Britain has said the quid pro quo would be France taking back migrants.

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Thanks. It doesn't go as far as:

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As far as what? Did you read the first paragraph of the extract?

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Here's a plea from the UK science community to the science minister for a Plan B of how to fund the hundreds of science projects, longterm, that were previously funded via the EU Horizon Programme.

Prior to Brexit, the UK was the chief coordinator of science projects within the Horizon Programme , ensuring that up to 130 worldwide countries were included in big EU projects of concern. We have now lost that role and the funds that made it happen. What is the plan for ensuring that the UK continues to be the key player in the worldwide science community? After all, Leave politicians argued that leaving the EU would free us up to spread our wings world-wide. Unless we follow through, that vision become a mere pipedream.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/...video_explicit

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Yes.

Is not the same as

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No way am I clicking a URL that ends "live_video_explicit" at work :shocked:

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Awfully picky when it comes to the good news, Andrew.

I think it is clear which way this is going, no need to despair just yet.

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It's ok - checked it on my phone - but that URL is not a friendly one to click and counter-productive to promote.

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Might be good news if it actually happened but we can't even get a seat at the table yet and we don't know what France might want in return and indeed if this report is accurate - the Telegraph has form here.

You're banking the winnings before the horses have even reached the race course!

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I wouldn't click anything that links to Facebook.

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As I said, I heard it on the radio as well. Sorry to disappoint you with this good news, but I’m sure you’ll find a way of turning it around if you can!:D

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Here’s a link to a non-paywall version.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...id-brexit-feud

You realise that Johnson hadn’t even received/read the letter yet, so your joy may be premature…

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Exactly. It is premature. That's why I told Old Boy:


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US removes tariffs against EU but keeps those against UK due to its concerns about Northern Ireland.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...cid=uxbndlbing

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It's fine. A representative of the science community is being explicit about post-Brexit concerns that need addressing. Funding gaps need plugging, long-term, or our hopes of being a powerful post-Brexit nation, with science and technology at its core, will come to nought.

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I expect the Treasury will argue the scientists now have the opportunity to become HGV drivers and no extra funding will be needed to replace Horizon.

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Do keep up Andrew, the HGV driver shortage is history now, we've moved past the petrol shortage, the pigs in blanket shortage, and the abattoir workers shortage, and even the 'au pair' shortage has been forgotten. We're now well into the problems of getting enough cheap tat from China in time for Christmas :D

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Quite handy Omicron came along when it did, almost as if... no.... can't be... surely not..... :erm:

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Plenty of it sat in Amazon warehouses around the country fulfilled by Amazon or other warehouses to get around duties and just sent from here or the EU

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Amazon do cheap tat 365 days of the year, I meant cheap Christmas tat in normal shops . . . like Waitrose ;)

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I have only ever shopped in Waitrose once and all I bought was a jar of honey with the honeycomb in it. Far too expensive for me

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hehe, definitely no Covid shortage

No shortage of jabs for it either . . .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59488848


soon have arms like pin cushions ;)

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Or like junkies ;)

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Omicron B is an anagram of No Crimbo. :D

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Is that yet another variant?

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Close, but no cigar…:rolleyes:

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Let's add lots of letters to it and see how many people we can scare the shit out of.:rolleyes:

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Try moronic

Sums up the response to this variant. They're all running about like headless chickens.

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It's the same variant. Long name = Omicron (B.1.1.529)

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No, something made up originally by an anti-vaxer.

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I wish they had skipped past Omicron as it's an anagram of moronic, which gives fuel to the covidiots

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UK trade has shrunk since Brexit while EU thrives - data
BREXIT, according to its backers, was meant to create endless opportunities. So far, however, the UK has failed to make the vote profitable, with the prospect of "global Britain" quickly fading according to recent data.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/15...xit-GDP-EU-evg

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Unfortunately Covid screwed the Brexit plan.

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even without covid brexit was gonna be bad always was

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We've had a bumper crop of sour grapes that remainers have made into whine.

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Whatever we've done, it doesn't seem to be working as the pro-Brexit Express headline is "UK trade has shrunk since Brexit while EU thrives - data"

Covid is not just a UK thing so that card cannot be played.

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"pro-Brexit Express headline"

click bait alert :D

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Yes, the Express does bring that phrase to mind…

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Chris may have a view on this but it's interesting what the Express is doing here by running with this more evidence-based Brexit story than their usual efforts. Perhaps Reach plc is trying to reuse content across its titles? Perhaps they want to sense the mood of their readers by being a bit provocative?

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Perhaps they are also looking to increase the advert revenue ;)

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Chris is trying to untangle his Christmas lights at the moment :D

In the meantime, see if you can find the journalist’s name and what their role is. You can certainly see on a lot of their regional titles whether the author is locally employed or from their central pool.

Without having seen the item yet, it sounds to me not to be the sort of item they would assign to one of their senior news reporters. On the other hand there might be an editorial shift underway (though I think that’s unlikely).

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Good luck with the lights!

He's an Express online journalist so it might be content for their website which does not feature in their newspaper or it might be the start of a more nuanced approach to the subject.

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Of course there never was and never will be an economic upside to this grubby little project which will become clearer and clearer as time passes. I am guessing the Express is trying to, somehow, explain this to the people it has conned for the last 40 years.

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Brexit hits USA . . .

US price rises hit highest level for 40 years
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59573145

yes yes, we all know it's not due to Brexit . . . but the same headline here has the Pro EU boys out in force, so it's only fair we apply the same logic . . . isn't it?

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cant deny facts no matter how hard you try and express is hardly remainer soar grapes is it hows the eu collapse going that all leavers said would happen going

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No idea what language that was, can you try it in English.

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wtf?

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TBF to Dave I think he has trouble expressing himself when typing. We need to try and read between the lines. It would seem that he has no time for the Express or the Conservatives or Brexit.

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Daves post isn’t difficult to understand. some it would appear would rather try and make a cheap dig, rather than take thirty seconds to clarify the posts meaning.

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Good news. UK has dropped its opposition to ECJ involvement in NI. Coupled with the end of its threats to invoke Article 16, the two sides can now focus on tidying up things to reduce GB-NI delays.

Next thing to watch is how we get on with checking EU imports next year.

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Link?

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Whenever that is

https://www.reuters.com/business/bri...ds-2021-12-15/

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Thanks.

So in fact HMG has not dropped its opposition to ECJ involvement in NI, but has simply acknowledged that can’t be addressed in the present negotiations because the Commission doesn’t have the power to offer concessions in that area.

As your link states:

… which was in the first paragraph. I’m surprised this important nuance was lost on you. ;)

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That's just Ireland, those from the Continent will still need checking as things stand.

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Should have added "active" to opposition if I was a perfectionist. Just pleased to see the progress being made here.

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The only progress I can see is made by the can being further down the street :D

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Telegraph now going with the headline
Britain caves in to Brussels over role of EU judges in Northern Ireland

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Interestingly, European journalists were notified on the policy shift a week ago. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...ocol-1.4752375

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The Torygraph absolutely hates Boris - this has been clear for a long time now. It’s not going to spare the whip on a story like this, seeing as all things Brexit is what got Boris the leadership in the first place.

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Did anything cause this? He must have bene hoping to return as a £250kpa columnist at one stage. Although once he ceases to be PM, he'll have plenty of more lucrative offers even if they're not coming not from the Mail or Telegraph.

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Our lot had the much more important Crimbo party to write about :D

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Which one - I’ve lost track…

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I don't truthfully know, however I suspect it's a combination of their click-baity news strategy and the suspicion he might not be in the job come the next election.

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This one ?

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=172

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Ouch!

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mainly because he disagrees with the covid policies and tax hikes

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lks-Boris.html

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Prosecco time! My Christmas presents are unwrapping themselves early this year!

Great news for the UK, we now have the opportunity to get someone competent and less acerbic in place.

Mail article here - it says more information later tonight. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lks-Boris.html

Coincidentally, Frost wrote an article for today's FT blaming everyone but himself for the lack of progress made in Northern Ireland. I wonder if this was planned as part of the run-up to his resignation?

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Resigned before he was pushed, I think. He was increasingly distancing himself from reality so suspect he knew his days were numbered. And the change in policy by the UK on the ECJ initially denied by Frost may have been decided higher up the foodchain, thus undermining him. As the Brexit pantomime goes, "He's not behind you!", he being Johnson.

The next person should be recruited on ability, not the fact that they're a Conservative Lord who favoured Brexit.

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You don’t half talk some utter nonsense. Lord Frost was an excellent Brexit Minister.

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From the EU's perspective, you're probably right. ;)

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Only 13% surveyed believe we have got a good deal leaving, 13% :shocked:

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Where was the survey done, in the guardian? :rolleyes:

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I'm surprised it's in double figures.

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seems like all kicking off on tories whatsapp groups even Steve Baker kicked out Nadine Norris from the group

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/sta...31053775958016

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Not sure was on the radio and wasn't listening till they said the survey only polled leave voters, The Independent and Express were mentioned at some point IIRC

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Was only leave voters :D

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No idea who either of them are, no do I care about people behaving like children on whatscrap.

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The suggestion from Steve Baker that he persuaded Farage not to run against incumbents in the last election is interesting. Assuming he's not lying, what would persuade him not to run? Maybe that peerage?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...98996.html?amp