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mrmistoffelees 13-06-2019 11:13
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35998935)
I’m not engaging in a pointless repetitive argument best placed before a referendum that we’ve already had and we voted to leave.

Past quote from the likes of Campbell - Hestletine, Blair - all hardened Remainers: “If we don’t join Euro, it will be a disaster for UK.”

Best thing we ever did not joining it. The EU does not provide any benefits, they don’t spend their money, because it’s ours on us. They don’t do jack shit for us, only mock us and we do not need to be in their ugly corrupt club to do trade with them.
just, wow......

Mick 13-06-2019 11:20
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35998936)
just, wow......
Just nothing. What benefits does it provide, being in their club? Huh

Don’t you dare say the EU funds this or that, that is OUR money they’re giving back minus their cut. We’re a NET contributor.

Are you going to drone on about trade?

Do not need to be in their ugly club to trade, plus the world wide trade window is much bigger than the poxy EU’s. so wow back at you for thinking in small terms.

jfman 13-06-2019 11:39
Re: Brexit
 
What benefits are there being in the largest free trading bloc but we aren’t allowed to say trade? Wow.

nomadking 13-06-2019 11:43
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35998926)
You accidently missed a bit from the article about Norway and Sweden...



And you are, (accidently, I am sure) in your linked example about Turkey, conflating queuing times with pharmaceutical Supply Change Management - pharma multi-country SCM isn't just about queuing, it's about potential impact of regulatory changes and the requirements for some components in the Supply Chain to have to get licences to Contract Manufactures (which they didn't need to before).
That's only because the EU is awkward and insist on it for Norway.


The Turkey article DOES mention all sorts of other paperwork they have to get ready, but the DELAYS are still not 3 months.
Link.

Quote:
The European Medicines Agency (EMA) takes part in projects to foster links with European Union (EU) enlargement countries, to lay the foundations of future co-operation in the Agency's networks.
The Agency's projects fall within the assistance programmes launched by the European Commission to support pre-accession activities.
Current beneficiaries include:
  • Albania;
  • Bosnia and Herzegovina;
  • Kosovo (under United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244/99);
  • the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia;
  • Montenegro;
  • Serbia;
  • Turkey.
Any reason why the UK couldn't be added to that list, unless the EU are awkward, and they wouldn't be like that, would they?:rolleyes:

Hugh 13-06-2019 11:46
Re: Brexit
 
Awkward?

They won't let us have all the benefits of being in the EEA or other negotiated treaties, without agreeing to the terms that other countries have agreed - awkward bleeders, aren't they?

ianch99 13-06-2019 11:48
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35998908)
It’s not about caring, cannot care about negative rubbish, created to install fear. It does not work with me. The way you carry on and on about baseless information, because that’s all it is, is tiresome ianch99. There is no reason information about negative crap put forward by Remainers because they think we cannot survive outside a corrupt organisation. We can and we will. That is what was voted for.
I know you do not care about the consequences of a No Deal, that is the point I made.

jfman 13-06-2019 11:49
Re: Brexit
 
Presumably Turkey worked towards getting the status it has and, you know, made preparations in the months and years prior?

Since 2016 we’ve went from the easiest negotiation in human history to Theresa’s deal to potentially no deal? Where’s our preparation?

ianch99 13-06-2019 11:49
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35998909)
post 35998909
Thank you. Your indifference to the effects of No Deal on your fellow citizens says it all.

papa smurf 13-06-2019 11:54
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35998948)
Thank you. Your indifference to the effects of No Deal on your fellow citizens says it all.
Any time mate, it's a pleasure to help in any way i can.

nomadking 13-06-2019 12:18
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35998944)
Awkward?

They won't let us have all the benefits of being in the EEA or other negotiated treaties, without agreeing to the terms that other countries have agreed - awkward bleeders, aren't they?
Agreed? Or caved in to the EUs demands.

jonbxx 13-06-2019 12:29
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35998935)
Best thing we ever did not joining it. The EU does not provide any benefits, they don’t spend their money, because it’s ours on us. They don’t do jack shit for us, only mock us and we do not need to be in their ugly corrupt club to do trade with them.
Really? No benefits whatsoever? Not even free mobile phone roaming?

I can understand on balance not wanting to be in the EU even if I disagree but that's on balance. To say there's no benefit whatsoever is surprising

papa smurf 13-06-2019 12:42
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35998960)
Really? No benefits whatsoever? Not even free mobile phone roaming?

I can understand on balance not wanting to be in the EU even if I disagree but that's on balance. To say there's no benefit whatsoever is surprising
Now we see why you want to remain,pokemon on holiday in Benidorm.;)

Sephiroth 13-06-2019 13:45
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35998944)
Awkward?

They won't let us have all the benefits of being in the EEA or other negotiated treaties, without agreeing to the terms that other countries have agreed - awkward bleeders, aren't they?
They'll demand the 39 billion as the price for any association. They've already said that'll be part of the price for a trade deal.

jonbxx 13-06-2019 14:15
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35998961)
Now we see why you want to remain,pokemon on holiday in Benidorm.;)
I didn't say it was a big benefit but is still a benefit.

Mind you, my average monthly work mobile bill went from around £60 a month to £25. My company has around 75,000 employees across the EU so it adds up...

Carth 13-06-2019 14:58
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35998980)
My company has around 75,000 employees across the EU so it adds up...

. . . are you an Uber Driver? :D :D

Damien 13-06-2019 15:00
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35998984)
. . . are you an Uber Driver? :D :D
If he was he wouldn't be an employee ;)

Sephiroth 13-06-2019 15:10
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35998980)
I didn't say it was a big benefit but is still a benefit.

Mind you, my average monthly work mobile bill went from around £60 a month to £25. My company has around 75,000 employees across the EU so it adds up...
It is a big benefit, IMO. But then the Working Time Directive and the extra burden now put onto UK employers to keep the French working practices happy is an example of why we should plough our own furrow.

ANd before any of you stupidly ask if I want to see workers' rights repealed - no I don't. But I don't want an competitive advantage we have by being flexible further eroded by the EU especially under the fake guise of H&S.

Angua 13-06-2019 15:44
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35998987)
It is a big benefit, IMO. But then the Working Time Directive and the extra burden now put onto UK employers to keep the French working practices happy is an example of why we should plough our own furrow.

ANd before any of you stupidly ask if I want to see workers' rights repealed - no I don't. But I don't want an competitive advantage we have by being flexible further eroded by the EU especially under the fake guise of H&S.
This assumes we will have people willing to work these hours. If as is claimed, we have a shortage of workers, making their working hours longer is not really conducive to retaining staff. All this without the dangers of over long hours for those who drive for a living.

jfman 13-06-2019 16:06
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35998987)
It is a big benefit, IMO. But then the Working Time Directive and the extra burden now put onto UK employers to keep the French working practices happy is an example of why we should plough our own furrow.

ANd before any of you stupidly ask if I want to see workers' rights repealed - no I don't. But I don't want an competitive advantage we have by being flexible further eroded by the EU especially under the fake guise of H&S.
In paragraph one you literally say you do want the erosion of workers’ rights.

Sephiroth 13-06-2019 16:22
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35998992)
This assumes we will have people willing to work these hours. If as is claimed, we have a shortage of workers, making their working hours longer is not really conducive to retaining staff. All this without the dangers of over long hours for those who drive for a living.
Who said anything about working longer hour other than you? Through the opt out, we can work longer hours if we want to. It’s about sovereignty and not introducing more overheads on companies tring to compete with their European counterparts.



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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35998994)
In paragraph one you literally say you do want the erosion of workers’ rights.
Literally? I think not. Ploughing our own furrow is not taking more burden from the CJEU. Why do you so blatantly misinterpret my very clear words?

jonbxx 13-06-2019 16:31
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35998984)
. . . are you an Uber Driver? :D :D
Bottle of water, charge your phone sir?

Nope, not an Uber driver thankfully! Work for a big global company so get to meet people from all over in my work. Haven't taken the EU shilling for over 20 years when the lab I worked in was partially EU funded.

jfman 13-06-2019 16:59
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35998995)
Who said anything about working longer hour other than you? Through the opt out, we can work longer hours if we want to. It’s about sovereignty and not introducing more overheads on companies tring to compete with their European counterparts.



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Literally? I think not. Ploughing our own furrow is not taking more burden from the CJEU. Why do you so blatantly misinterpret my very clear words?
Yes, Working Time Directive is workers’ rights.

pip08456 13-06-2019 17:16
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35999000)
Yes, Working Time Directive is workers’ rights.
No its not, its workers restrictions.

mrmistoffelees 13-06-2019 17:19
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35999006)
No its not, its workers restrictions.
Unsurprisingly, you're wrong.

If you would care to explain how the following is a restriction on a worker ?

5.6 weeks' paid time off per year.
1 consecutive hours' rest per 24-hour period.
A 20-minute rest break (for working days longer than six hours).
A minimum of one day off per week.
For night workers, a limit of eight hours worked in any 24-hour period.

Angua 13-06-2019 17:21
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35998995)
Who said anything about working longer hour other than you? Through the opt out, we can work longer hours if we want to. It’s about sovereignty and not introducing more overheads on companies tring to compete with their European counterparts.



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Literally? I think not. Ploughing our own furrow is not taking more burden from the CJEU. Why do you so blatantly misinterpret my very clear words?
How does signing a form to say you opt out of the working time directive impact on competitiveness. Or is it that you would rather have people work 6 X 12 hours for £1 an hour?

jfman 13-06-2019 17:27
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35999006)
No its not, its workers restrictions.
In Brexitland where everything is upside down, perhaps so. In reality it gives workers rights.

In theory it restricts me from working 168 hours a week, much like gravity restricts me from floating off to a terrible death in the vacuum of space.

Mick 13-06-2019 17:28
Re: Brexit
 
BREAKING: It seems Change UK, now not Change UK, that was For Change, but The Independent Group or TIG's or CUK, have now been forced to legally change their name, yet again and are now to be known as: "The Independent Group for Change". :spin:

https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/...01794737917952

Also - while I am here - big public apologies to "mrmistofelees", an apology for misreading one of his posts this morning, I have given private apologies also.

Sephiroth 13-06-2019 17:44
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35999008)
How does signing a form to say you opt out of the working time directive impact on competitiveness. Or is it that you would rather have people work 6 X 12 hours for £1 an hour?
You are being silly. The WTD is a device created to support French working practices. The opt out is a useful device, fortunately, to allow workers greater flexibility on how they work. I do this.

The CJEU judgement imposes an administrative burden on employers to keep records for some effin bureaucrat to scrutinise and may end up with employees being forced to keep timesheets or face penalties if the falsify the record.

Glib responses have little worth.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35999014)
In Brexitland where everything is upside down, perhaps so. In reality it gives workers rights.

In theory it restricts me from working 168 hours a week, much like gravity restricts me from floating off to a terrible death in the vacuum of space.
what a load of rubbish. You normally come up with sensible stuff.

Gravity is a universal force. The WTD is a contrivance to suit poor working practices elsewhere, particularly France.

jfman 13-06-2019 18:08
Re: Brexit
 
What's the current opt-out rate in the UK workforce?

ianch99 13-06-2019 18:54
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35999019)
You are being silly. The WTD is a device created to support French working practices. The opt out is a useful device, fortunately, to allow workers greater flexibility on how they work. I do this.

The CJEU judgement imposes an administrative burden on employers to keep records for some effin bureaucrat to scrutinise and may end up with employees being forced to keep timesheets or face penalties if the falsify the record.

Glib responses have little worth.

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what a load of rubbish. You normally come up with sensible stuff.

Gravity is a universal force. The WTD is a contrivance to suit poor working practices elsewhere, particularly France.
Your prejudices against France and Germany blind you from the obvious need for such a law. This seems reasonable to me:

Quote:
It gives EU workers the right to at least 4 weeks in paid holidays each year, rest breaks, and rest of at least 11 hours in any 24 hours; restricts excessive night work; a day off after a week's work; and provides for a right to work no more than 48 hours per week. It was issued as an update on earlier versions from 22 June 2000 and 23 November 1993. Since excessive working time is cited as a major cause of stress, depression and illness, the purpose of the directive is to protect people's health and safety.
The only reason to remove it is to allow businesses to exploit their workforce to increase profits. Profits that are unlikely to shared with said workforce.

Sephiroth 13-06-2019 19:14
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35999031)
Your prejudices against France and Germany blind you from the obvious need for such a law. This seems reasonable to me:

The only reason to remove it is to allow businesses to exploit their workforce to increase profits. Profits that are unlikely to shared with said workforce.
Why don't you read what I've actually said in this conversation (not just the post you quoted). I totally support workers' rights for the reasons you've given, especially as they have an opt out. But the onus now being put on UK employers by the CJEU is a step too far.

As regards France/Germany, I haven't mentioned Germany. France is another matter; their restrictive working practices that Macron has tried unsuccessfully to remove are the reason for the WTD having been forced through the majority voting route. I object to such shenanigans which is very much what the EU condones.

pip08456 13-06-2019 19:43
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35999008)
How does signing a form to say you opt out of the working time directive impact on competitiveness. Or is it that you would rather have people work 6 X 12 hours for £1 an hour?
You do realise there's a minimum wage in this country that has nothing to do with the EU.

nomadking 13-06-2019 20:17
Re: Brexit
 
The Working Time Directive is an example of the EU having an agreement with the UK and then welching on it by imposing it on the us by the backdoor on bogus health and safety grounds.

denphone 13-06-2019 20:28
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35999042)
You do realise there's a minimum wage in this country that has nothing to do with the EU.
This is when it was first started and by whom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation..._Wage_Act_1998

pip08456 13-06-2019 20:47
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35999056)
This is when it was first started and by whom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation..._Wage_Act_1998
So what? It has nothing to do with the discussion.

Mick 13-06-2019 22:40
Re: Brexit
 
BREAKING: Former Labour MP, Chuka Umunna joins Liberal Democrat’s.

Angua 13-06-2019 22:47
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35999042)
You do realise there's a minimum wage in this country that has nothing to do with the EU.
Those who get abused via modern slavery, do get stuck with these hours and pay.

TheDaddy 14-06-2019 01:36
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35999042)
You do realise there's a minimum wage in this country that has nothing to do with the EU.
Not if you're self employed there isn't, workers rights must be closely watched in our post brexit race to the bottom or else they'll be eroded mercilessly

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35999081)
Those who get abused via modern slavery, do get stuck with these hours and pay.
Uber drivers?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35999079)
BREAKING: Former Labour MP, Chuka Umunna joins Liberal Democrat’s.
Mmm third change of party, he can't possibly have any sort of mandate to represent his constituency

denphone 14-06-2019 05:07
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35999079)
BREAKING: Former Labour MP, Chuka Umunna joins Liberal Democrat’s.
But didn't his constituents vote for the Labour Party and completely reject the Liberal Democrats…

Mr K 14-06-2019 07:25
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35999095)
But didn't his constituents vote for the Labour Party and completely reject the Liberal Democrats…
You vote for a candidate first, the party is secondary. He should go for a by-election anyway, He'd win on account of the other 2 parties are a shambles.

Pierre 14-06-2019 08:16
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999099)
You vote for a candidate first, the party is secondary.
according to who?

Mick 14-06-2019 08:20
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999099)
You vote for a candidate first, the party is secondary. He should go for a by-election anyway, He'd win on account of the other 2 parties are a shambles.
Nope, that’s wrong. As Peterborough showed last week. Lisa Forbes, allegedly liked a Facebook post that was Antisemitic, Peterborough was a Labour gain last time and it held it this time. It was the party people were voting for, not the candidate. Chuka Ummuna, is just a pathetic whinge bag, who has hopped from Party to party, the Change UK party which he initially joined, but left because it failed miserably and still has a identity crisis as it went through yet another name change.

The law needs to change when an MP resigns their party whip that they must step down and a by-election called.

Mr K 14-06-2019 08:26
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35999109)
according to who?
The voting slip.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35999111)
The law needs to change when an MP resigns their party whip that they must step down and a by-election called.
Same for a change of PM mid term, call a GE ? ;)

Mick 14-06-2019 08:44
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999112)
The voting slip.

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Same for a change of PM mid term, call a GE ? ;)
Fixed term Parliament Act, would either need to be repealed or amended.

Pierre 14-06-2019 09:06
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999112)
The voting slip.
I don't recall ever seeing those instructions on a voting slip, do you have an example of where they are printed?

Maggy 14-06-2019 09:10
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35999118)
I don't recall ever seeing those instructions on a voting slip, do you have an example of where they are printed?
The candidates name is first and the party they represent is second.;)

Mick 14-06-2019 09:38
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35999120)
The candidates name is first and the party they represent is second.;)
Which order they appear is irrelevant, why do you think Labour did so badly in local elections and European?

Because of their mixed message on Brexit. It’s why Lib Dem’s surged and Brexit Party triumphed from nowhere.

Who the candidate is, rarely factors in the decision of voting. The party is usually important, because it’s the party as a collective which sets out its policies.

jonbxx 14-06-2019 09:44
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35999019)
You are being silly. The WTD is a device created to support French working practices. The opt out is a useful device, fortunately, to allow workers greater flexibility on how they work. I do this.

The CJEU judgement imposes an administrative burden on employers to keep records for some effin bureaucrat to scrutinise and may end up with employees being forced to keep timesheets or face penalties if the falsify the record.

Glib responses have little worth.

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what a load of rubbish. You normally come up with sensible stuff.

Gravity is a universal force. The WTD is a contrivance to suit poor working practices elsewhere, particularly France.
How do you account for Frances poor working practices as you call it giving them a higher productivity than the UK, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden etc. - https://tradingeconomics.com/country...ntinent=europe

papa smurf 14-06-2019 09:45
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35999095)
But didn't his constituents vote for the Labour Party and completely reject the Liberal Democrats…
He's one of those who don't care what the people voted for,so he's probably in the right party now.

tweetiepooh 14-06-2019 10:04
Re: Brexit
 
Some people vote for the person over their party, others vote along party lines regardless of the candidate, yet others some combination of the two.

GrimUpNorth 14-06-2019 10:34
Re: Brexit
 
The official instructions say vote for (however many) candidate(s), but plenty of people come to the station and ask which box they tick for a particular party or even particular leader.

papa smurf 14-06-2019 10:53
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35999126)
The official instructions say vote for (however many) candidate(s), but plenty of people come to the station and ask which box they tick for a particular party or even particular leader.
They don't need to ask anymore as there's a big arrow pointing to the correct box

Maggy 14-06-2019 11:38
Re: Brexit
 
For a party that so wants to leave the EU that logo is rather concerning.Surely the arrow should face the other way?

papa smurf 14-06-2019 11:51
Re: Brexit
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35999134)
For a party that so wants to leave the EU that logo is rather concerning.Surely the arrow should face the other way?
Really

papa smurf 14-06-2019 11:51
Re: Brexit
 
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Maggy 14-06-2019 12:45
Re: Brexit
 
Well I am thinking geographically..After all the EU is in the direction of those arrows. ;)

nomadking 14-06-2019 12:52
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35999123)
How do you account for Frances poor working practices as you call it giving them a higher productivity than the UK, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden etc. - https://tradingeconomics.com/country...ntinent=europe
Link
Quote:
Productivity growth is frequently lauded by the business community, media commentators and politicians as the solution to improving living standards, yet there is little agreement on what productivity actually is.
IE Meaningless figures. If you produce things with a high value/price, then you appear productive.

Why is Macron trying to increase French working hours?
Link
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In summary, they accuse the former Rothschild merchant banker of being
a “friend of the rich” who wants to break down hard-won workers’ rights,
essentially turning France into another Britain or America. Rather than
what exists in France now: a 35-hour working week; lots of days off,
including the whole of August; and numerous other perks for workers, the
head of state is more interested in an Anglo-Saxon type workforce – one
that is more ambitious, profit-led, and industrious.

French companies do very well globally, but the domestic economy is
notoriously sluggish, with employees enjoying high levels of protection no
matter what their performances.
How much of "do very well globally" is from owning foreign companies, ie non-French workers?

papa smurf 14-06-2019 12:57
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35999141)
Well I am thinking geographically..After all the EU is in the direction of those arrows. ;)
I've sorted it

TheDaddy 14-06-2019 13:34
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999099)
You vote for a candidate first, the party is secondary. He should go for a by-election anyway, He'd win on account of the other 2 parties are a shambles.
Not when the bloke has had more parties than bozo has had mistresses you don't, the man has zero credibility imo but since when has that bothered a politician

jonbxx 14-06-2019 15:42
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35999142)
Link
IE Meaningless figures. If you produce things with a high value/price, then you appear productive.

Why is Macron trying to increase French working hours?
Link
How much of "do very well globally" is from owning foreign companies, ie non-French workers?
Absolutely, it will always depend on how you measure productivity but to brand the figures meaningless is a leap. The figures should be regarded with certain caveats.

There is some more data here - https://data.oecd.org/lprdty/gdp-per...ndicator-chart with a number of different productivity indicators and each time, France is doing fairly well and certainly better than the UK. Is this because of or despite French labour laws is open to debate. Macron clearly thinks that it is despite, hence the will to go towards a more anglo-saxon approach

nomadking 14-06-2019 16:10
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35999151)
Absolutely, it will always depend on how you measure productivity but to brand the figures meaningless is a leap. The figures should be regarded with certain caveats.

There is some more data here - https://data.oecd.org/lprdty/gdp-per...ndicator-chart with a number of different productivity indicators and each time, France is doing fairly well and certainly better than the UK. Is this because of or despite French labour laws is open to debate. Macron clearly thinks that it is despite, hence the will to go towards a more anglo-saxon approach
It's still only measuring GDP, not how many widgets they produce an hour. It that sense it is meaningless. Where the GDP has come from French investments elsewhere, eg the UK, then that GDP has been generated by the foreign workforce.

Sephiroth 14-06-2019 16:34
Re: Brexit
 
We should leave the EU with no deal. Stuff a trade deal if the want tocharge 39 billion. Simply sod them. Give their citizens here full rights.

Use the money to help Dyson set up an electric car plant in Bridgend and deal with the carbon free matter at the same time.

Not difficult and not a disaster.

Maggy 14-06-2019 16:40
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35999143)
I've sorted it
No they need one pointing to the US.;) Mind yours is an excellent metaphor for how we haven't a clue where we are going.

papa smurf 14-06-2019 17:00
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35999162)
No they need one pointing to the US.;) Mind yours is an excellent metaphor for how we haven't a clue where we are going.
It's all about the journey not the destination ;)

Chris 14-06-2019 17:00
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35999160)
We should leave the EU with no deal. Stuff a trade deal if the want tocharge 39 billion. Simply sod them. Give their citizens here full rights.

Use the money to help Dyson set up an electric car plant in Bridgend and deal with the carbon free matter at the same time.

Not difficult and not a disaster.
A Dyson electric car would be made entirely of garish plastic and be joy to use for about 12 months before developing a niggling, intermittent fault that stops you using it more than 10 minutes a day. And it would cost twice as much as another electric car built by just about anyone else, that does the same job just as well.

TheDaddy 14-06-2019 17:45
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35999160)
We should leave the EU with no deal. Stuff a trade deal if the want tocharge 39 billion. Simply sod them. Give their citizens here full rights.

Use the money to help Dyson set up an electric car plant in Bridgend and deal with the carbon free matter at the same time.

Not difficult and not a disaster.
Like we did with all those research and development grants only for him to up sticks for the far east, unfortunately as I predicted it's not two jobs that have gone there like he was claiming either, so based on his honour and integrity I wouldn't trust him with 39 quid let alone 39 billion and I certainly won't be buying any of his over priced crap anymore.

Damien 14-06-2019 18:04
Re: Brexit
 
Given Dyson's prices I suspect they can afford to stay here if they really wanted. If we're going to throw public money at private companies then at least throw it at ones who are keeping a presence here rather than offshoring everything.

Mr K 14-06-2019 18:09
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35999172)
Like we did with all those research and development grants only for him to up sticks for the far east, unfortunately as I predicted it's not two jobs that have gone there like he was claiming either, so based on his honour and integrity I wouldn't trust him with 39 quid let alone 39 billion and I certainly won't be buying any of his over priced crap anymore.
Oh I don't know, his hand driers are ok, however yes, he's another Brexit hypocrite, there's a lot of them about.

Chris 14-06-2019 18:13
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999177)
Oh I don't know, his hand driers are ok, however yes, he's another Brexit hypocrite, there's a lot of them about.
I see them out of order in motorway service areas often enough. Like all his stuff, it’s great when it works but it’s fragile.

Pierre 14-06-2019 19:55
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35999168)
A Dyson electric car would be made entirely of garish plastic and be joy to use for about 12 months before developing a niggling, intermittent fault that stops you using it more than 10 minutes a day. And it would cost twice as much as another electric car built by just about anyone else, that does the same job just as well.
I bought Mrs Pierre one of their incredibly over priced hair dryers, after two years it developed an intermittent fault, I sent their CS an email and I got an immediate response and they exchanged the hair dryer for a brand new one, no quibble, very quick and efficient.

So they get my vote after that experience.

papa smurf 14-06-2019 20:50
Re: Brexit
 
Well this is a laugh

Boris Johnson shock: Phillip Hammond REJECTS Boris as PM - won’t serve as chancellor

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...1922-committee


Can't imagine why he thinks he will have a job if Boris wins.

Mr K 14-06-2019 20:57
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35999182)
Well this is a laugh

Boris Johnson shock: Phillip Hammond REJECTS Boris as PM - won’t serve as chancellor

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...1922-committee

Can't imagine why he thinks he will have a job if Boris wins.
Why would the Chancellor want to join Bozza the Clown in the circus? We'd be an International joke. Bozza has the attention span of a gnat, and changes his mind according to the stars. The EU will run rings round him.

1andrew1 14-06-2019 21:08
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35999182)
Well this is a laugh

Boris Johnson shock: Phillip Hammond REJECTS Boris as PM - won’t serve as chancellor

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...1922-committee

Can't imagine why he thinks he will have a job if Boris wins.
He doesn't think he would have a job with BoJo as that will be a reward for one of BoJo's cronies or contenders. Hammond is bright enough to pre-empt BoJo.

papa smurf 14-06-2019 21:22
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35999184)
He doesn't think he would have a job with BoJo as that will be a reward for one of BoJo's cronies or contenders. Hammond is bright enough to pre-empt BoJo.
Wonder if he's picked a nice seat at the back out in the wastelands.

Mr K 14-06-2019 21:32
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35999188)
Wonder if he's picked a nice seat at the back out in the wastelands.
The Wastelands being the new name for the UK post Brexit? ;)

1andrew1 14-06-2019 22:18
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999189)
The Wastelands being the new name for the UK post Brexit? ;)
:D:D:D

TheDaddy 14-06-2019 22:29
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999189)
The Wastelands being the new name for the UK post Brexit? ;)
I'm sensing you're not believing enough, it'll be okay if you just believe more ;)

Carth 15-06-2019 00:00
Re: Brexit
 
I'm sensing some people still belittling others with their 'we know best' attitude . . shame they still don't understand why that attitude from people in power had such an impact on the big result.

scoff and take the pee all you like, it just hardens the resolve :p:

1andrew1 15-06-2019 00:09
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35999198)
I'm sensing some people still belittling others with their 'we know best' attitude . . shame they still don't understand why that attitude from people in power had such an impact on the big result.

scoff and take the pee all you like, it just hardens the resolve :p:
I think you're reading far too much into it.

papa smurf 15-06-2019 09:11
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999189)
The Wastelands being the new name for the UK post Brexit? ;)
I just meant the bit at the back where the cleaners don't dust, cos no one of any great importance sits there.

Sephiroth 15-06-2019 10:41
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35999168)
A Dyson electric car would be made entirely of garish plastic and be joy to use for about 12 months before developing a niggling, intermittent fault that stops you using it more than 10 minutes a day. And it would cost twice as much as another electric car built by just about anyone else, that does the same job just as well.
All right then: Nissan. Or Toyota. Or someone.

Carth 15-06-2019 11:12
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35999208)

All right then: Nissan. Or Toyota. Or someone.
They're all too busy trying to restructure and save costs mate, far too expensive to make stuff here when there's a wealth of cheaper labour elsewhere ;)

We should be looking at something we have an abundance of that most EU countries don't have . . . sea water.

OK, what can we do with sea water?

Answers on a postcard to any and every Scientific/Technology Research Institute that can hit on a use for sea water or its derivatives :cool:

ianch99 15-06-2019 11:34
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999189)
The Wastelands being the new name for the UK post Brexit? ;)
I thought it was TarriffLand? :)

Sephiroth 15-06-2019 23:22
Re: Brexit
 
I think you Remainers should re-evaluate yourselves instead of pouring scorn on the results of direct democracy - namely the 2016 Referendum.

Mr K 16-06-2019 08:52
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35999243)
I think you Remainers should re-evaluate yourselves instead of pouring scorn on the results of direct democracy - namely the 2016 Referendum.
I.think 'you Brexiters' should wake and smell the coffee !. Our next PMs will be Boris and Corbyn because of Brexit, we'll be an international joke/irrelevance.

If democracy is so great why don't you want another vote? No vote lasts forever, as every Govt and MP knows. The reason you don't want a vote is because 'you Brexiters' know what the result would be.

Sephiroth 16-06-2019 09:07
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999252)
I.think 'you Brexiters' should wake and smell the coffee !. Our next PMs will be Boris and Corbyn because of Brexit, we'll be an international joke/irrelevance.

If democracy is so great why don't you want another vote? No vote lasts forever, as every Govt and MP knows. The reason you don't want a vote is because 'you Brexiters' know what the result would be.
My objection to another vote is that the parliamentary Remainers deliberately elongated the process so that they could argue the passage of time case for another referendum.

It was the duty of the indirect democracy (Parliament) to respect the result of the direct democracy event (the Referendum) that they instituted. It should have been done expeditiously.

People who reject what I've said need to re-evaluate themselves because they are fighting a result they don't like using undemocratic means. The proof of what I've said lies in your last sentence.

denphone 16-06-2019 09:13
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999252)
I.think 'you Brexiters' should wake and smell the coffee !. Our next PMs will be Boris and Corbyn because of Brexit, we'll be an international joke/irrelevance.

If democracy is so great why don't you want another vote? No vote lasts forever, as every Govt and MP knows. The reason you don't want a vote is because 'you Brexiters' know what the result would be.
Great choice ain't it Mr K as in the red corner we have a IRA terrorist sympathiser and a sympathiser of Venezuela’s great socialist government who is a leader of a Anti-Semitism party , etc , etc and in the blue corner we have a man who is a nasty piece of work and a serial liar who spent two excruciating years as foreign secretary during which he regularly embarrassed Britain with gaffes, gratuitous insults and carelessness and described Commonwealth citizens as “piccaninnies” and “watermelons” and who is also a serial philanderer with two broken marriages and a love child and is is profoundly untrustworthy and disloyal , etc , etc.

There is your choice Mr K.;)

Sephiroth 16-06-2019 09:25
Re: Brexit
 
Boris is the lesser of the two evils.

denphone 16-06-2019 09:29
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35999256)
Boris is the lesser of the two evils.
Well if there are two hells up there there is a place in each of them for both.

papa smurf 16-06-2019 09:29
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35999255)
Great choice ain't it Mr K as in the red corner we have a IRA terrorist sympathiser and a sympathiser of Venezuela’s great socialist government who is a leader of a Anti-Semitism party , etc , etc and in the blue corner we have a man who is a nasty piece of work and a serial liar who spent two excruciating years as foreign secretary during which he regularly embarrassed Britain with gaffes, gratuitous insults and carelessness and described Commonwealth citizens as “piccaninnies” and “watermelons” and who is also a serial philanderer with two broken marriages and a love child and is is profoundly untrustworthy and disloyal , etc , etc.

There is your choice Mr K.;)
He's a rank amateur on the failed relationships front ;)

Sephiroth 16-06-2019 09:32
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35999257)
Well if there are two hells up there there is a place in each of them for both.
Boris will take us out of the EU, delivering the Referendum Result. Philandering has nothing to do with that. Of course, I hope that he will be wisely managed!

denphone 16-06-2019 09:42
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35999256)
Boris is the lesser of the two evils.
You sure as two evils don't make one a lesser evil...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIpa5MioSrY

papa smurf 16-06-2019 09:55
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35999259)
Boris will take us out of the EU, delivering the Referendum Result. Philandering has nothing to do with that. Of course, I hope that he will be wisely managed!
I thought TM would do that but her price was too high as she didn't really want to leave .

OLD BOY 16-06-2019 10:13
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999252)
I.think 'you Brexiters' should wake and smell the coffee !. Our next PMs will be Boris and Corbyn because of Brexit, we'll be an international joke/irrelevance.

If democracy is so great why don't you want another vote? No vote lasts forever, as every Govt and MP knows. The reason you don't want a vote is because 'you Brexiters' know what the result would be.
Because the British people were told that the result of the referendum would be honoured. A further vote now could actually make the situation worse if the remainers did win this time, but on a lower turnout.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35999259)
Boris will take us out of the EU, delivering the Referendum Result. Philandering has nothing to do with that. Of course, I hope that he will be wisely managed!
I agree. With some good people around him, a Boris government could work rather well and at last bring about a Conservative majority at the next General Election. Corbyn would disappear without trace.

1andrew1 16-06-2019 10:33
Re: Brexit
 
EU does not expect us to leave this year
Quote:
According to The Times and the Daily Mail, Brussels figures believe that whoever wins the Conservative leadership race will agree to an extension to the UK’s departure from the EU.
EU planning is based on the assumption that the risk of a no-confidence vote by MPs means Mr Johnson will not force through a no-deal exit if efforts to renegotiate Theresa May's Brexit deal flounder, the Daily Mail reports.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...-brexit-pledge

---------- Post added at 10:33 ---------- Previous post was at 10:27 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35999259)
Boris will take us out of the EU...
Boris has lied about other things, what makes you certain he's not lying about that as well?

Maggy 16-06-2019 11:21
Re: Brexit
 
I don't think the EU will renegotiate.

papa smurf 16-06-2019 11:23
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35999274)
I don't think the EU will renegotiate.
I think they will if they are faced with us leaving with no deal and no payment.

Angua 16-06-2019 11:28
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35999274)
I don't think the EU will renegotiate.
There does seem to be a lot of wishful thinking going on. The Tories are choosing a new leader, we are not changing government, so there is nothing new can be brought to the table.

Maggy 16-06-2019 11:29
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35999275)
I think they will if they are faced with us leaving with no deal and no payment.
It's no skin off their nose if we leave under those circumstances. They won't be the one's to suffer. They won't renegotiate.

Angua 16-06-2019 11:29
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35999275)
I think they will if they are faced with us leaving with no deal and no payment.
Not paying only damages us, making us look like a poor bet to pay bills.


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