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I'll stick with blaming his boozing habits, just like Ruth Davidson has.... ;)

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/p...ut-eu-10340037

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You still haven’t answered my query in regards to which bits of this deal, make it a bad deal? In your opinion.

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Make your mind up, you were calling me a tiny man just a few posts ago. :rofl:

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Maybe he was being sarcastic this time ;)

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Totally agree with you. At least with Clegg and Farage you knew where they stood, whether you agreed with them or not.

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sciatica'd as a newt every lunchtime.

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ZF's given. ;)

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Been reading a good article in the FT "Brexit hardliners have shown they are not up to the job". It demolishes the argument that we needed a Brexiter in charge of the negotiations by pointing out how unsuccessful the Brexit ministers have been in their positions. The way that Theresa May ran rings around David Davis and Dominic Raab suggests that they would have been no match for the EU. The article does suggest that Theresa May has not been an impressive negotiator as she set out red lines she couldn't stick to and agreed early on to an inescapable Irish backstop amongst other failings.

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David Cameron went to the EU to try and make changes before the referendum and was pretty much sent packing and came back with next to nothing.

His words were to stay in the EU and try and change it within over time.

However it's pretty clear that the EU is going down the whole federation route especially wanting to create its own army.

If the UK had stayed in the EU how long do you think we would have stayed with the current "Special Status" we had eventually we would have to conform to EU ways.

It might have been even harder to leave the EU had we stayed with them maybe leaving at a greater cost.

We talk about sovereignty kiss that goodbye if we stay in the EU.

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I'm not sure you got the British sense of humour here. Anyone who's been to a piss-up in a brewery would be a piss-poor negotiator the next day. ;)

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Kiss that goodbye with Theresa May's deal for a few years if not forever.

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It's not Theresa May's, it's serial remainer, Olly Robbins half hearted deal with the EU. ;)

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l would have to say you are probably right Damien.

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Post 3625 onwards. You replied and made some invalid points failing to fully understand that post, I replied again and the conversation went round in circles from there.

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As I said before everyone seems to think they would get a better deal but haven’t explained how. Corbyn thinks he can walk in and go ‘jobs first’ Brexit and the ERG think they can go ‘but we’re British!’ and the EU will fold.

As with the Irish border there are a lot of people who can talk and talk but not a lot who can do.

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The problem for Corbyn is to switch now, or to give specific answers now, leaves him politically exposed for months.

If, and it’s a big if, Corbyn is going to favour a People’s Vote, delay and/or remain it has to be done at the very last possible moment. Any sooner looks like a calculated political shift.

At the last minute he gets to play lines about the Tories leaving us unprepared, a shambles throughout negotiations, nobody votes to make themselves poorer, etc. He can say he called multiple times for a General Election that never happened. Sorry folks, I’d no other option but to send this back to the people.

Now whether any of the above is actually true is irrelevant- those are the lines to take politically.

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Indeed.

People are kidding themselves on that while we sent over a myriad of Brexit Secretaries with no clear vision, no plan and no contingencies that the EU haven’t been working around the clock for over two years to develop a strategy to give us roughly these three options.

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As I showed previously, the way that Theresa May rang rings around the Brexiters like David Davis showed they would not stand a chance against the EU, despite There's May's weaknesses.They would have likely resigned due to pressure or got a worse deal.

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Christmas Number 1? :)

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Just read how Boris Johnson spent over £300k on German water cannon and £26k per year on insurance and maintenance despite not being allowed to use them by Theresa May. They have been auctioned off for £11k scrap.
Could he have hinestly done better than Theresa May's team in negotiations?

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So cynical! Playing politics on such a crucial issue for this country. What he should be doing is advocating how he sees our future relationship with Europe and how best to go for Brexit (assuming he still wants to keep his pledge to honour the result of the referendum).

Instead of that, he just criticises, heckles and continues to act like a maverick back bencher. In truth, he doesn't know what the hell he is doing or where he's going. The man is a disgrace. With a better Opposition Leader showing a bit of Statesmanship, we might be in a better place now.

How you can defend this pathetic man, I do not know.

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Was he actually involved in them being sold for that price or was it someone else?

Seems far fetched to blame Boris for something he had no part in. Also - this has nothing to do with Brexit btw.

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They are all playing politics with the future of the country. He's no different.

Slowley but surely TMs MPs will get behind her. Once it's all agreed at the weekend the momentum will all be one way. Hard to see it getting through parliament, but thats a few weeks away, which is a long time atm. Accept BRINO, it's the best we'll get, assuming we're ruling out the lot less damaging remain. Brexit was flawed from the beginning and project Fear has been true. Rees Mogg, Boris have been exposed as the fraudsters and self seeking liars they are - even their own followers are deserting them.

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Brexit is not flawed, it makes sense for us to prioritise trading freely with the rest of the world than being tied up in knots by the EU. Project Fear has been shown to have been incredibly untrue, so I don't know where your information is coming from!

The Conservative Party will start to rally behind the Prime Minister as the Brexiteers wearily accept that their play for a hard Brexit looks doomed, but I think they have lost the DUP.

The big question really is how many Labour MPs will put the wish of the electorate and the needs of the country first and either vote with the Government or abstain. There are plenty of moderate Labour MPs out there who have a conscience and will do what is right.

One word from Corbyn on which way they should vote and they will do as they like, because even no 10's cat knows that he hasn't a clue what he's doing.

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I’m not defending his position I’m telling you what I think he is likely to do.

I expect footballers to play football, why would you not expect politicians to play politics?

I’m not convinced that supporting Brexit is Statesmanlike. Certainly we’ve not seen such behaviour from Johnson, Gove, Mogg et al.

It’s up to Government to govern. Not the opposition.

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[QUOTE=1andrew1;35971558]I'm not sure you got the British sense of humour here. Anyone who's been to a piss-up in a brewery would be a piss-poor negotiator the next day. [SEPH]: Pretty pointless remark from you, then.

More to the point, what do you judge of Farage as a Brexit negotiator, no matter how unlikely?


<SNIP>
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It was Boris's vanity project and his poor negotiating skills.
A better negotiator would have added in a clause that if Theresa May failed to approve their use, he could send them back and get a refund.

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Interesting development but not entirely surprising:

Spain Brexit: PM Sánchez threatens to vote no over Gibraltar

I suspect that Spain will be talked down from this position to ease things through but if they dig their heels in, this would be a problem.

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For myself, as I have seen no examples of his negotiation skills, so I have to rate them as low to non-existent.

He has tried to sell himself seven times as an MP, and failed each time, so if he can't sell himself and his views, how could he sell the country's position?

All he does is carp, but never offers constructive (and able to be implemented) solutions.

Any examples of his negotiating skills gratefully received.

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In his defence he has managed to trick 17.4 million people into voting against their economic interests for intangible concepts.

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Erm, excuse me - that encapsulates me and absolutely NOBODY, tricked me, influenced me, told me how to vote - I voted on my own volition.

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Sorry, the vast majority of.

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That is still an incorrect assumption and very disingenuous. There is absolutely NO evidence every single leave voter, looked to Nigel Farage and say, I will listen to him. People have their own minds to make up. It's a typical remainer one sided ideology that those who voted to leave, some how were not able to make an informed choice on their own accord. It's totally wrong.

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Pointless case - the government will not and has no intention of revoking A50.

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It will be the same for any trade deal too. People act in their own interests. Do you think the USA won't look to extract as many concessions from us as possible? They're being mean to us is not a reason to walk away.

I still am wondering what this alternative idea for avoiding a hard border in Ireland is by the way.

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You didn't get 'hedgemony' in ! Must try harder ;)

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LOL they really do think they're in Dad's Army. Rees Mogg is a big Capt. Mainwaring fan !

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3994891.html
Mainwaring is a much more shrewd tactician than Mogg. :D

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Or ‘nefarious’ or ‘dominion’...

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Collective economic growth? To keep the United Kingdom together?

Jacob Rees Mogg says it could be fifty years before we see the economic benefits of Brexit, by which time I’ll be long in the ground. That’s not even a guarantee that life will be better for our children in the long run.

As far as I can tell the only result of Brexit that is guaranteed is blue passports that ironically we have contracted to a French company.

Anyway I’m not really here to have the same argument over and over again I’m far more interested in the next few months as the consensus on leaving collapses.

It’s not even true that it’ll be an electoral disaster for either party to reverse the decision - leave and remain are statistical dead heat in all opinion polls.

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I wonder what the ECJ will say?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...BPTPlE?ocid=st

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Impressive as seen as that was post 3413?

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He’ll be told to get back in his box by the unelected EU commission.

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3265, I transposed digits. The point is no less valid.

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And it’ll be a nicer one than any of the two the UK has to choose from, unless of course we remain.

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Unelected Queen, unelected House of Lords, unelected PM, no proportional representation. The EU is more democratic than we are.

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Amusing how Rees-Mogg et al in the ERG (membership of around 70) insist they can negotiate a better deal with the EU, but can only get under 30 letters sent to the 1922 committee to challenge the leadership - they can't even convince themselves to do something...

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Indeed.

The Government just accepted five opposition amendments to the Finance Bill.

Not longer in a position to vote through their own budget in theory. Not that it matters, we still have the Emergency Budget to look forward to.

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Queens don't get elected. :dunce:

They can scrap the Unelected Lords for me.

Not this PR rubbish again - it is what it is and it is democratic and we are far more Democratic then those clowns will ever be.

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It’s not truly democracy unless Russian money can buy it.

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Sigh - Anybody could bloody get a better deal than what's on offer.

That said - These Brexiteer, character assassinations by you and fellow Remainers is getting tedious.

It must really hurt inside that leave won the "Democratic" choice. :rolleyes:

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Oh here now comes the Russia card. BORING. :zzz:

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Not very 'conservative' to be radical is it? TM probably reminds them of their headmistress and they are afraid of getting a smacked botty :D ( although some of them would enjoy that!)

To her credit she does seem to have put the country ahead of her party. Remaining of course would still be the best option and she may still achieve that by fair means or foul... Or just call it Brexit, but in fact be Remain. Its all in the labels and 'winners', 'losers'; the details and reality are irrelevant.

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Inconvenient maybe, but far from boring.

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If the electorate accept the May deal as Brexit it will only confirm what many suspected.

It was about racism and xenophobia, and had nothing to do with EU red tape (we will still adhere to European standards) or striking our own glorious trade deals (the aforementioned virtually tying our hands behind our back).

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I beg to differ.

First you came out with nonsense that somehow Nigel Farage, influenced every single Leave voter, hours later, it is now changed to Russian money. Make your mind up springs to mind.

Leave won - Remain lost - it is called Democracy.

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Yawn.

Why do you and others traipse this out.

The queen has no executive power, and any perceived executive power is only symbolic.

The Lords only provide oversight - I would hapilly see Reform of the second chamber, I would not see it elected though. I would rather that people apply and are selected from a representative portion of society.

We elect parties based on policy, not individuals based on how nice they are , the party in power can elect their leader

The nation had a referendum in 2011, yes that’s right a referendum. The nation voted no to PR, is that another referendum you want to ignore and overturn?

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Wait until April and I think you’ll view who won and lost differently.

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Facts inconvenient for you?

I am stunned.

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The electorate don’t get a chance to accept or reject it. We won’t know because there won’t be referendum on it.

If the electorate do seem to not like it, then political parties can stand on a ticket to scrap the deal at the next election. If they win then we’ll know.

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Your point is, in reference to that post?

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There will be a referendum but the question is whether May’s deal makes it as far as the ballot paper.

As you say though, in the highly unlikely event it passes the Tories will pay the price at the next election. Unless people are satisfied because of the reasons I stated previously. Xenophobia and racism.

It isn’t taking back control, and it’s paying £39bn for the privilege.

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:dunce:

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Keep believing that.

I look forward to being proven wrong. People on your own side of the debate believe the May deal is a stitch up by Olly Robbins.

Why is giving the public an opportunity to vote again a step too far if you believe it’s essentially an act of sabotage?

Re: Brexit
 

One big advantage of May's deal: This will be over sooner.

Everyone is only against it because they want to roll the dice again. Brexiters in the Tory Party want a hard Brexit, and a shot at being PM if you're Boris, Remain want another referendum whilst Labour want an election. All these groups are willing to risk a crash in the hope they grab power in the resulting chaos.

If you supported Brexit you get control over immigration and largely free of the ECJ. If you supported Remain this at least limits some of the economic damage.

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They probably could not which is why none of them seem to have any suggestions into how. Boris and co keep saying it will be easy, David Davies said the trade deal would be the easiest in history but these geniuses seemed to keep the secret plan to themselves whilst they were Foreign and Brexit Sectaries. Corbyn's grand plan seems to be to ask nicely as far as I can tell.

All of them can talk but none of them seem to say anything or stick around. All they agree on is that if they were Prime Minster all would be well.

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Corbyn’s plan is to win an election, ask nicely, be told no, postpone, go for a 2nd referendum and this has the benefit that he doesn’t have to worry about re-election until 2024.

By 2024 he will be judged on his years in Government. If his socialist paradise lifts people out of poverty and puts people into jobs that pay then Brexit is resigned to a footnote in history that was a spat between public schoolboys that went far too far. He gets to use the line he gave people an informed choice and the Tories squandered two years because there was never really an alternative anyway.

Playing politics at its best.

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And when you lose yet another referendum, will you want another one, just to be sure, or is it the best of 5 FFS? :rolleyes:

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Jesus, you shouldn’t be smoking that on a Tuesday . No go off and have a pint of Anti-freeze.

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I personally don’t mind either way, as I said before I did vote to remain. I couldn’t say how I’d vote now. I’d possibly back the May deal, because it isn’t really Brexit at all.

I’m not saying I think there should be a second referendum. I’m saying how I see this playing out with a lame duck remainer PM and remainer Parliament. If you think there’s not frantic planning for remaining but blaming someone else for it I think that’s ignoring political reality.

It’d be much harder politically to go best of five. It’d be very difficult to argue a second referendum would have an ill-informed electorate after two and a half years of this.

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If this deal goes through, and if it doesn’t deliver on the Brexit imagined by the electorate that voted for it, and if the electorate think thT they have been shafted by the U.K. establishment and the EU, then you will quickly see a resurgence in the likes of UKIP or another party, and opportunistic politicians and we’ll be back where we were pre-2016.

The public won’t be fooled.

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You’ve not followed politics long have you?

So many broken promises I’ve lost count. This will be bold, but it’s definitely workable.

If this wasn’t realistic JRM wouldn’t be desperately trying to find 47 friends. Why do you think he needs control now? Because he can do a better deal? Of course not.

If no deal Brexit was the only alternative vote down the TM deal, crash out in March, kick her out and start negotiating Super Canada in April. Nothing to stop that happening. What’s the rush?

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Resurgence from a party that’s had one, two MPs ever? Remember we don’t like PR.

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No just 35 years since my late teens.

You been following politics long?

They managed to force a referendum, with only one, two MPs.

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I’m sure it was in the Conservative manifesto, voted on by a Conservative Government. The Tories squabbling over Europe goes back to when you started following politics. Cameron sought to end it once and for all.

I note you’ve ignored the JRM question so I extend my invitation to anyone to tell me why he is trying to topple May now? The EU have said the negotiations are over, and you all claim no deal is achievable from the backbenches. Topple her afterwards, she takes the blame for no deal, and negotiate Super Canada. Put the £39bn back on the table to focus the minds of the EU.

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. Due to obvious pressure from UKIP in strategic conservative seats. Labour also suffered greatly from support for UKIP. Arguably Labour only due so well in the election because the Europe Question had been settled in the referendum. Labour may find themselves impacted if they support remain and fudged Brexit hence no clear Brexit policy from Labour.


You have been very adept at ignoring questions so I don’t see why you should be so exorcised now.

It’s not difficult. He is obviously trying to get a hard brexiteer in power such as David Davies. Or someone thT is happy to take us out with no deal.

I, and I don’t think anyone else has, suggested another deal is achievable. It’s this deal or no deal. Go fo no deal, see what happens.

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You have consistently ignored my answers that are often available if you read the posts you are quoting.

No deal is achievable from the backbenches according to you.

Specifically, and given nobody thinks there’s room for further negotiation, what is the advantage of removing the PM over leaving her in as a fall guy for “no deal”?

They want her removed because she can’t be trusted to deliver any Brexit when push comes to shove.

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Another non-answer, you think you’re being clever..............

Newsflash, you’re not.

you’ve said that twice now, I haven’t seen anyone else state that but you?

Well, I don’t know, but seeing that the EU know exactly what her goals are, and what she is prepared to accept, why not replace her with someone else.? In any event it would be after we had left anyway.

Master of the bleedin’ obvious

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And some think these guys could negotiate a better deal with the EU - they’ve managed to increase TM’s support amongst the public.

Not what they were planning, methinks...

From tomorrow’s Times.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1542754368

Re: Brexit
 

Exactly. The lie that the Brexiters could negotiate better than May has well and truly be proven to be exactly that. And now, Brexiters are having to face up to the reality that what they were being offered was Project Unicorn which is not going down well in some quarters.

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It's long been said that our Brexit secretaries haven't been the brightest lights on the street. Here's something that tickled me; if only it wasn't true!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8642526.html

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We'll know on 27 November if technically we can cancel Article 50 from a UK perspective so that could be another outcome, albeit one I think unlikely.

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I thought Brexit couldn’t be stopped? If it’s obvious she can’t be trusted to deliver Brexit then it must be possible?

It’s been stated multiple times that it’s May’s deal or no deal. The follow on from that (if you genuinely believe it) is that’s the ERG, DUP, etc can achieve no deal from the backbenches.

I don’t know why you think I’m trying to be clever, I’m stating facts that you are uncomfortable with but that’s not the same thing.

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I don’t know if we will know then, I think it’s just the hearing it could be a few weeks before we know.

I’m not sure if it’s just an advice ruling for the Court of Session in Edinburgh, who will ultimately rule on the back of advice from the ECJ.

In my opinion only, I can’t envisage a scenario where the ECJ would not allow a democratically elected government of a Member State to decide it has incorrectly or inappropriately applied it’s Treaty rights in relation to Article 50 and condemn its citizens to life outside the Union. Short-lived coalition Governments across the EU have in the past lasted shorter than the A50 process.

I’m not saying that is what happened in the case of the UK, but the decision would become binding to other scenarios like the one described above.

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Here are the details of the poll:

Massive turnaround for her. I suspect mostly because of the rebellion and May's tenacity. I was, am, not a massive fan of Theresa May but I have to give her credit for sticking around to get the job in the face of a rebellious party and poor election results. While the likes of Boris did nothing in their departments and then ran away again she stuck at it.

It does make you wonder if we were taking the ERG too seriously though. The party and the country have endured a melodrama of wondering when Jacob Rees Mogg and Steve Baker would fire the starting gun and when the moment came, complete with Mogg grandstanding in Parliament and Baker holding press conferences, nothing happened.

Steve Baker especially has been protrayed as the silent powerbroker of the Conservative Party, the genius behind Brexit. Maybe he was just more willing to talk to journalists writing books about Brexit....

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That's a pretty sweeping statement to make, and playing the 'racist' card makes you look silly. Do you work for the BBC?

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It’s hardly silly, I see you’ve selectively removed my lines about how it leaves us adhering to EU rules and standards - so it wasn’t about red tape. That’ll hinder our ability to negotiate trade deals - so again it wasn’t about that.

That only leaves freedom of movement. Which ironically when you ask they mean foreigners coming here, not white English people retiring to the Spain.

(sorry, freedom of movement and blue passports).

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oh I'm awfully sorry, I thought you meant all people who voted leave did so due to "racism and xenophobia"

. . . actually I still think you meant that :p:

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If only there was a way to send people back to the colonies... like losing relevant documentation proving their right to reside here.

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Reading through the article you linked Mr k, it's not just Brexit to blame . . . however the word Brexit grabs the headlines yet again :rolleyes:

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We had a Brexit update at work Yesterday from the chap who is heading that project. Our UK head is regular contact with the government and even speaks regularly to Theresa May about Brexit to get some reassurances.

Due to the timelines and lack of clarity, we are now in full 'prepare for no deal' mode shifting legal and tax entities out of the UK. Of special interest was the logistics for Ireland, looking at options for air freight (expensive) or shipping from mainland Europe (takes a long time)

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The point is you haven't stated any facts.

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In your opinion only. Further discussion is pointless if you won’t read, or are unable to understand, the posts I’m making.

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Frankly, this discussion is going around in circles. Maybe it's better to just await the outcome of the Brussels talks and the Parliamentary vote before doing yet another rotation.

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I’m inclined to agree, I fundamentally disagree with many points in the Brexit debate but ultimately the debate is over.

If the PM and Parliament decide to remain against the advisory referendum (as I think they might) that’s a separate decision and the merits of doing so a political calculation against the contingency plans (or lack of) for no deal.

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:dunce:

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That’s the second time you’ve made that post and offered nothing further to the discussion on that point.

Can you answer the question why Jacob Rees-Mogg is in a panic to remove the Prime Minister?

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That's an easy one. He wants a Brexiteer in charge to bring about a no-deal Brexit.

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[ADMIN EDIT: Quote to now deleted post removed]

Then he's clearly bonkers. No deal =chaos.

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Amber Rudd says parliament will stop a 'no deal' Brexit happening

https://news.sky.com/story/amber-rud...ening-11559382

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May seems to have taken the same tone saying 'It's this deal or no Brexit'. 'No Deal is better than a Bad Deal' has been dropped.

Re: Brexit
 

Teressa May just confirmed im PMQ's the £39bn is to meet legal obligations

Re: Brexit
 

Reality has finally set in..

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Parliament cannot stop a no deal scenario - The EU Withdrawal act says so, the same Act that says we leave on 29th March 2019, this is in law, it will take another Legislative Bill to undo that law.

Parliament can only, as it stands agree a deal or not, there is no scenario in the Act that says no Brexit.

Re: Brexit
 

acts can be changed in parliament though

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And that is why there will be a deal no matter how unswallowable that is for some.

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Parliament can pass another legislative bill to undo the EU withdrawal act. Bills can be pass really quickly if the political will is there. Nothing binds Parliament, what Parliament does it can undo by design.

Re: Brexit
 

That's Amber Rudd's take on it, but the PM has said on a number of occasions, we will be out of the EU come 29 March 2019.

The threat of no Brexit I think is designed to imtimidate the likes of Jacob Rees Mogg. If Parliament vote down the Withdrawal Agreement, there will simply be no agreement. If Theresa is as good as her word, no new votes would be put before the House of Commons and Article 50 will be invoked by way of actions already taken.

A no deal Brexit is nothing to be afraid of at all and people should stop stressing about it. Most of the frictionless trade will still be frictionless and the Irish border isuue will be seen not to have been a problem after all. WTO would not require a border, it would just require checks to take place. How this is done remains a matter between the parties.

The EU wants a no-tariff deal with the UK, and given that all our standards, etc are already harmonised, signing up to it will not take long. I dare say that some interim accord could be signed to preserve the status quo on tariffs, standards and trust while that is negotiated. It is in the interests of both sides to do so.

We will know soon enough which way this is going, and although it may sound an incredible thing to say now, I do believe the Parliament will pass this deal as it is in the national interest to do so. Corbyn and his circle will still be huffing and puffing but there are still a lot of honorable moderate Labour MPs who will either vote with the government or abstain, despite what the Corbynistas in the Commons have to say about it.

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Yes - Can you see/read properly ?

I said it can be changed by a Legislative Bill in Parliament. There will not be enough time to do that before 29th March 2019, as it will go though several 1st, 2nd and 3rd readings before it is finally signed in to law.

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See above - I did say that in my post.

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Yes, that has been what she has said all along. However, there is also the matter of EU assets in the UK and on the continent that have not been taken into account.

Re: Brexit
 

I have to say if Brexit is stopped by Parliament which has no mandate to - Democracy will be killed off in the UK for a very long time and the selfish people who want Brexit stopped will get more than they bargained for when people refuse to turn out to the polling stations, in their millions.

Re: Brexit
 

but the brexiteers always said don't have to pay it if no deal we do no matter what