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It might be the Irish accent, but I'm sure The Bachelors are singing your song: Remoaner :D

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Do you honestly think that there aren't?

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Exactly. Much as Chris said.

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I honestly think there aren't. You guys should be celebrating success but instead you're unnecessarily worried about absolutely nothing. Where do these crazy ideas come from that make people so defensive and worried? In "opposition" you have Eurosceptic Jeremy Corbyn who was re-elected this year, what bigger Christmas present could you have asked for? That party won't be in power any time soon.
Even if the Government loses the Article 50 challenge (which is likely), Theresa May has promised that her March deadline 2017 will be adhered to. Pour yourself a glass of English ale and celebrate the festive period and stop giving yourself unnecessary things to worry about. :)
(There will be enough economic matters to worry about in 2017 so make the most of 2016! :) )

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Contender for post of the year

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How can she invoke article 50 if she is legally blocked from doing so?
In addition we have Tony Blair, John Major, Nick Clegg, Tim Farron etc, etc, vowing to do their best to block it and get a second referendum. Then we have the ongoing legal challenge (and others in the pipeline). On top of that we have Soros in the wings who is no doubt pumping money into pro EU pressure groups.
Buy you are right. Nothing to worry about, May has said that her March deadline will be adhered to, so we can all kick back and chill. :erm:
Seriously.......some remainers are p*ss*ng on our legs and telling us that it's raining:rolleyes:

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Agree 100% and then blame HMG for the 'delays and confusion'.

What all this isn't about is protecting our democracy.

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[QUOTE=papa smurf;35876746]So your not going to answer the question ,instead your going to keep quoting the Express and Mail which leaves us with no alternative but to assume that you agree with the inaccurate rubbish you copy and paste from those rags ,so that is the evidence wanted and the article you copied in post 3225 i will assume you agree with ,which in turn means you are completely wrong in thinking the court cases where trying to overturn the result as the Express article you copied stated and like most of your posts makes no sense whatsoever .

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You can't agree with it 100% because it contains incorrect information as I've pointed out. Gina Miller is British, she's not a foreign national. She grew up in the UK and was born in a British colony, British Guiana.

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Rubbish ,there has been no delay and if there is it's of the governments own making by trying buck against the UK's constitution.The only reason it's gone to the supreme court is because the government refused to accept the verdict and the only reason it's in court in the first place is because the government are trying to assume powers they do not have and should not ever have .
What is clear is that the whole referendum and the result has been handled with such gross incompetence from the people who we trust to do right by us that it certainly does not bode well for any negotiations to follow.

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A supposed outpouring of online hatred against Jo Cox, a murdered MP, was exaggerated

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Because she will be instructed to by Parliament

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[QUOTE=martyh;35876853]you seem a little vexed and desperate to air your biased point of view don't stop its quite amusing


When your at the bottom looking up, the main question you should ask may not be ‘how do I get out of this hole?’ In reality, the main question might be ‘how do I get rid of the shovel that I'm using to dig it?:rofl:

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The surge in hate crimes described in The Observer's headline also looks a bit dubious, according to BBC programme More or Less which spoke to the charity concerned. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08504ln

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I'm not sure there has been a surge in hate crime at all ,i think that people are using the term 'hate crime' to cover what would normally be a vocal disagreement .I also think it's a dangerous term to bandy about without just cause because we will become ignorant to it (as is starting to happen) and when 'hate crime' does happen it will be ignored

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Hopefully! But it shouldn't have even come to that since she was instructed to by the population of the UK. :rolleyes:

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No, no......there was definitely a surge in hate crime.......the left wing press told us that there was :D

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Tariff free trade deals is a red herring, it makes no real difference if something costs 5% more for instance, the thing not covered by trade deals, tariff free or not is services which is something no one yet seems to concerned about, they're going to be though, very concerned.

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Actually, she was advised by the majority of the population of the UK, as the Referendum was advisory. ;)

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You can wink at me all you want m8. We were told by both the government and the remain campaign leaders that a vote to leave was a vote to leave the EU and that's what would would happen. We were'nt told that it was 'advisory'. They were quite specific. I'm waiting.

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Or more specifically that clod Cameron told us whatever the result was that was binding -of course he stupidly thought remain would win.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW1zZ4EufkE

Article 50 invoked immediately by Cameron, not Parliament (June 2016)

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Quite simple.

Take out a full page ad in the nationals listing all the mp's who are remoaners of ALL parties. Instruct the constituencies to deselect all the Tory mp's who are trying to block this.

Replace with the right-minded people, you know, those who actually carry out the electorates wishes.

Call a snap election - never mind the 5 year fixed parliament rule, invoke a vote of no confidence. We know the SNP are up for that, don't really see anyway the Labour party could vote in favour of the government.

Theresa gets back in with a 150-200 majority, pass an immediate law repealing the entire act - remoaners, stuff your Article 50 - and away we go....

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Actually, she was advised by the minority of the population of the UK ... wink wink :)

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It wasn't just Cameron. It was the rest of the remain bigwigs as well.

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If you want to try that straw man argument we haven't had a "government" for a couple of hundred years.

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You forget that the remain voters were in even more of a minority :D

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Glad we got there in the end: you accept the Leave voters are a minority of the population. Mery Christmas! :)

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You are getting confused here. I am just correcting all the statements made where posters are claiming that the "population has decided".

Just stick to the facts. The votes cast in the referendum met the 50% required to decide the result. That's all you can deduce from this.

People voted Leave for a myriad of reasons so there is no one size fits all solution here. There may be solutions that fit the aspirations of the ring wing Leavers and there may be significantly different ones that would fit the choices of the more moderate voters.

So please don't claim "the country decided this" or "the people voted for that".

We are where we are. Mrs May has to get the best deal for the country as a whole. She is not constrained by Commandments from the Holy Book of Brexit.

Rather, she lives in the real world where she does not want to pursue a fractured, divided and less prosperous United Kingdom. She understands that to pursue an agenda based on dogma rather than common and financial sense would be folly.

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Calm down RR as the way you are going you might end up with a heart attack.;):D as there is more to life then Brexit for the vast majority of us.:)

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What does it matter if it was advisory or binding in law,we are leaving.The only thing that you and all the other militant brexiters seem unable to accept is that the government does not have the authority to start the process.I'm perfectly happy to let parliament take control ,it is part of what we voted for

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So in actual fact you think we should start behaving just like the dictatorial EU bloc we just voted to leave because we said they where undemocratic .Sounds to like you want rid of one undemocratic authority only to replace it with one of your choosing :rolleyes:

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Tariff free trade has made no difference to prices of goods in the UK "rip off Britain"is as true now as it has ever been.All this crap about prices will go up when we leave is just an excuse to raise prices imo

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Which part of the "have an election" did you miss? If Theresa wins a general election with a 150-200 majority then there's no dictatorship she's implementing what the vast majority of the country will have just voted for.

That's what you call a democracy :)

You may not like it.

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Which part of "instruct the constituencies to deselect all Tory mp's who are trying to block this" did you forget you wrote

Basically you want rid of anyone that doesn't agree with you ,MP's have to be anti Europe ,ignore election rules because they are inconvenient.You have a very peculiar idea of democracy

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Each political party selects their own candidates, they always have. As part of that selection process the local constituency parties interview the candidates to determine if their views are in line with that of the party.

Is that a better explanation?

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MPs are allowed some leeway aren't they? Boris Johnson's views on Saudi Arabia haven't led to his deselection, for example.

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My point is that you want to force a viewpoint on people so they can only vote one particular way to give only one result .You simply cannot deselect serving mp's because they refuse to think the way you want them to think on one particular subject and then to name and shame them for having the same viewpoint as a very large portion of the country .The more i read your post the more horrifying it becomes and the more i want to distance myself from Brexiters like you

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Apparently not ,it seems that unless all mp's conform to a single viewpoint then they will named and shamed in the press ,possibly even the side of a bus

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I wasn't sure if this sentence was lifted from a USSR KGB manual or not!

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is this any help -its long and boring enjoy

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...y%20People.pdf

Before aspirants can sit the PAB they must attend an informal meeting with either a member of the
party field staff or a senior party volunteer. They must also complete and return to CCHQ
candidates department an application form, requiring three references. We were told that
candidates who are not approved at this stage are given feedback and advice about the steps they
should take to gain the relevant skills and experiences necessary to pass the PAB in future. The
possibility remains, however, that this preliminary stage could be used as a pretext to block
candidates for reasons other than a lack of appropriate skills.
Box 1: The Parliamentary Assessment Board Framework
Tasks Competencies
1. Competency interview 1. Communication skills
2. Public Speaking 2. Intellectual skills
3. In Tray exercise 3. Relating to people
4. Group Exercise 4. Leading and motivating
5. Psychometric test 5. Resilience and drive
(later changed to a written essay) 6. Political Conviction

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Isn't a candidate selected and financed by a party meant to tow the party line? :shrug:

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6 political conviction:shrug:

Box 1: The Parliamentary Assessment Board Framework
Tasks Competencies
1. Competency interview 1. Communication skills
2. Public Speaking 2. Intellectual skills
3. In Tray exercise 3. Relating to people
4. Group Exercise 4. Leading and motivating
5. Psychometric test 5. Resilience and drive
(later changed to a written essay) 6. Political Conviction
__________________
and then there's this
Whips are the party's "enforcers", who typically offer inducements and threaten party members to ensure that they participate according to the official party policy. A whip's role is also to ensure that the elected representatives of their party are in attendance when important votes are taken.

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Political conviction doesn't mean that the candidate follows every line from Party HQ. Indeed, Wiipedia goes as far to state that conviction politics is the practice of campaigning based on a politician's own fundamental values or ideas rather than attempting to represent an existing consensus or simply take positions that are popular in polls.
But the thing that jumps out from the list is - how did Jeremy Corbyn get through points 3 & 4? :D

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Of course if you'd been to a public school, as so many of our MPs have, then you'd be familiar with the whips other role.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...7&d=1482405063

:D

(Sceen from If... 1968)

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32% at the last election...

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Actually you can, it has and will always go on.

You don't have to like it, it's called democracy.

The local parties select the candidates based on their adherence to the national party's aims.

If you don't like it, start your own party and try to change the system :D

BTW it's not a "very large" portion of the country, the remoaners LOST the referendum in case you have forgotten.

To correct your error "to name and shame them for NOT SUPPORTING the viewpoint of the majority"

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Since when did 48% cease to be a large proportion? But that's a digression.

Political parties have long held dissenters in them. In the UK with few parties they're broad churches with a rich diversity of opinions. If it wasn't for the likes of John Redwood and Michael Gove whose views didn't reflect the previous party line then would there have been a Brexit win?

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It was 48.11% of voters ,that by anyones standard is a very large portion .


This is where you prove you simply have no understanding what is happening .Nobody has tried to reverse the decision yet .Some people are hoping for a second referendum to confirm a very close result or even get a different result ,i don't personally agree with that but they do have the democratic right to want that ,nobody has to support the viewpoint of the majority,everybody has the freedom to think and speak how they see fit .How do you think we got to this stage in the first place ? the answer is because people campaigned against a referendum result .

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Linky

I know we should be wary of polls but it looks like Brexit is gaining further favour with the public.

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I think people are getting mightily fed up with all the delays, challenges etc. but it seems to me this was all inevitable. Our glorious leaders have entwined us in so much complex (and all to often competing) regulation that it takes ever increasing amounts of time to do just about anything significant now. The EU certainly isn't renowned for its speed of reaction either as we've seen time and time again so expecting a speedy resolution to this process is totally unrealistic IMHO. It's not as though the rest of the EU is stable and singing from the same hymn sheet either so we have a situation whereby we're trying to negotiate a highly complicated process with a group of nations all of whom have their own problems, agendas and priorities and will be using their influence in order to get whatever concessions etc. they're seeking for their own nations. Quid pro quo...

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Whenever Brexit finally happens (if it does), its going to be a shock to many that the EU wasn't the cause of all our problems. Who will they blame next, the bureaucrats in Whitehall (instead of Brussels) ? Immigrants (again) ? Corbyn ? Cameron ? May ? Benefit scroungers ? The Scottish/Welsh/etc etc ? The Daily Fail will find someone to pin it on.

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If it does???? as of course it will happen Mr K.

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Probably Den but it's not a given. The Courts and Parliament yet, and the possibility it'll be all but watered down to mean we're still in the EU all but name. A sort of aqua-marine Brexit ;)

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I think our Theresa is ahead of the game, actually!

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that idea won't float ;)

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Reports in the FT today saying that the Government is getting close to business again. Unlike Gove and Farage, it's been running its slide rule over the figures and realises that a sudden hard Brexit would cause large scale economic and social problems which are not what people voted for. Hopefully a sane, soft Brexit will prevail.

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i haven't seen a slide rule since the seventies its out of date tech- no one wants to work it out ,these days we have buttons to press with instant answers;)

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Some would say that a 'soft' Brexit would mean little change, with us still remaining within the common market or customs union. Others see it as a smooth transition to where we want to be. And of course there are shades of opinion in between.

We are unlikely to achieve the former because apparantly we have to be 'punished' for having the audacity to pull out of this nightmare organisation and we would have to accept free movement and contributions to the EU for the 'privilege' of tariff free trading with Europe. Additionally, if we continue to belong to the customs union, we would have to apply tariffs to countries outside the EU. None of that was what the majority of British people voted for and therefore it will simply not do.

The latter I could tolerate if all it meant was a two or three year transitional period to allow us to set up new trade deals and to put in place measures designed to soften any financial impact of this major change for businesses to cope with. Attempts to avoid a dangerous 'cliff edge' are perfectly acceptable, given that EU rules prohibit us from forging trade deals while still a member of the EU.

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Since the majority of British people did not vote to Leave, the best course is to minimise the financial impact on the country as a whole.

After all, you cannot punish the whole country to satisfy the zealousness of the minority. There are those who are willing to pay any price, on our behalf, to achieve their aims. I am glad to see that so far, the PM is ignoring them ..

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There's a difference between wanting Brexit, and wanting a quick Brexit - quite a few people I know don't want a Brexit, but now that it has been decided we are having one, they want it to be done as quickly as possible to minimise uncertainty and to allow everyone to plan and move on.

Here is the actual question that was asked I have to agree - it's going to happen, so let's get it done.

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Theresa May heading for major Brexit battle over 'divorce bill' that could last many years, say leading academics
Britain faces a monumental tussle with the EU that could last years beyond Theresa May’s 2019 Brexit target and involve bitter court rows over unpaid bills, a group of academics has warned.

LSE professor Iain Begg, among the group, said: "I suspect that the money issue is going to be far more potent than has been allowed so far. We've heard whisperings of a £50bn to £60bn divorce bill coming out of the negotiations.

He went on: "[European Commissioner Michel] Barnier comes along and says 'Here's a bill for €60bn’. Britain says ‘get lost'. Barnier says, ‘if you don't pay, we'll sue you'. 'Fine, sue us'. That's the kind of contest it could end up being, which people haven't really envisaged."

Angus Armstrong of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research, said there was "little or no evidence that EU member states have moved beyond their reflexive - and understandable - rejection of the UK's desire to 'have its cake and eat it'."

He argued that the key moment in Brexit talks will not be Ms May's tabling of Article 50, but the EU's response to it.

He said: "If the continental consensus is that the UK is still living on fantasy island, we could be heading for a showdown sooner than anyone expects."

London School of Economics assistant professor Sara Hagemann said that Ms May's post-referendum tour of EU capitals "seems to have generated little support for the British cause".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7491291.html

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12,949,258 didn't vote either way but feel free to try to bolster your argument with them .again and again and again

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The majority of voters did vote to leave and no-one knows whether the split was the same amongst non-voters.

If you don't vote, you don't get a say anyway.

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No need to "bolster" facts.

is a fact. Deal with it ...

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It's also a fact that the majority of the British people didn't vote to remain. Deal with it ...

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Agreed. Just stop saying that the "majority of British people voted for" Leave ... they did not.

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They did. Those that were eligible and who actually bothered to vote.

So stop being a dick about it and wind your neck in.

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Technically correct, but a piece of pedantry that has little relevance except perhaps to try to de-legitimise the referendum result.

Democratic votes are decided by those who turn up and put a X in one of the available boxes. Everybody understands that, whether they vote or not.

To fail to vote, or to deliberately spoil a ballot paper, is to consciously put the choice into the hands of others.

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Disagree, it has all the relevance in the world. Firstly, it misrepresents the perceived "will of the country" as a whole. If you go about claiming that Brexit "was what the majority of British people voted for" you are just plain wrong and, more importantly, you misrepresent the reality of where we are today.

The UK is divided and, as Gary would say, Dave divided it. Mrs May has the unenviable job of trying to unify this divided nation and she will not do that that pandering only to the views of one side or the other.

She must find a middle ground and both sides must make compromises in finding a Brexit solution that causes the least economic damage but still fulfilling the referendum decision to leave the EU.

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Vast majority of the population didn't vote for the last Labour government but I bet you were really happy. :erm:

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Debate by insult .. nice.

Merry Christmas!

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Democracy ... the worst system ... apart from all the others.

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I don't believe that you would be as pedantic if the 'remain' camp had won.

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Oh, you mean the form of Democracy chosen for the referendum? As you well know, there were a number of choices available:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermajority

but we are where we are ... but let's all be honest about it, eh?

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You misunderstand the purpose of the referendum. The goal was to change the status quo so your point has no meaning.

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I can't say I'm surprised that you might have preferred a supermajority, seeing as it would have favoured the position you happen to hold.

Our membership was affirmed by simple majority in 1975. It will be terminated as a result of a simple majority in 2016. Our dealings with the EU will thenceforth be a matter of government policy, just as they are in our dealings with the USA, Canada, India, China or wherever. None of these are referendum issues; they are part of a government's usual activity, and we can pass judgment on that by hiring and firing the government by the usual democratic process. If you want a say on how Brexit turned out, then you will get it in 2020.

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It is more profound that just favouring a particular position. This vote had/has the potential to fundamentally change the social, economic and structural aspects of the United Kingdom in a far more profound way than a 5 yearly General Election can ever do/has ever done.

If an elected Government, voted in on a detailed manifesto, starts to change things that the electorate, in hindsight, does not agree with, they can get voted out of office.

Will we get a Brexit referendum every 5 years if we don't like how things are playing out? No we will not.

And yes, the decision to join in 1975 should also have been a supermajority.

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Sorry, I'm not buying it. There is nothing uniquely virtuous about membership of the EU. All of the decisions it took on our behalf we are well able to take for ourselves. All the dealings we will now have with it, are dealings we already have with the rest of the world. The UK is a very old, very stable democracy. It has existed for a long time and by comparison our 40 years in the EU is the mere blink of an eye. All we are going to experience over the next few years is a return to normality as most of the rest of the world knows it.

All you're really doing is riffing on the apocalyptic campaign strategy of the remain camp. I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now.

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I fail to see how it can be said a majority didn't vote for brexit as the only numbers that count are those who voted and the majority of voters voted for brexit. You don't have to like it but that's the fact bringing all those who didn't vote into the argument is pretty stupid because no one can claim to know their position on the issue there were probably as many supporters for brexit as there was for remain. Remainers should be happy because the way things are going we will only be out in the most timid way we will still pay into the EU in someway and i think the EU will still have too much involvement in UK affairs because basically our politicians are cowards.

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I don't think it's an important statistic but it's a mathematical fact which can't really be disputed even by the most extreme Brexiteer.

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..and an EVEN BIGGER number didn't vote to remain. Either way you slice it the Exiters won.

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No one's saying otherwise.
Adding a random fact in doesn't mean that another statement becomes mathematically accurate!
I've already stated that I don't think it's an important statistic.

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so the majority of people didn't vote to remain so didn't vote for the status quo
therefor logically they wanted to leave the EU with what can only be described as a large majority .
i am so glad that 1andrew1 has explained it all mathematically and logically .

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You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. Let's see how this plays out and the "normality" as you describe it may or may not result in a net negative effect on the country, the Union and people's personal wealth and prospects .... but then again it may ;)

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Utter gibberish ... but very funny :)

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Ah well ,that depends if you count the people who came of voting age between june 23rd and A50 day,do they not get a voice ? I think we should also remove all those who voted and have since died ,bound to be brexiters that lot

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Cue Gary Lineker's shameful Brexit joke:

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the last laugh delivered posthumously ;)

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Queen’s frustration with May over Brexit secrecy
The Queen was left “disappointed” with Theresa May after the prime minister declined to share plans for Brexit during her first stay at Balmoral, The Times has learnt.
Mrs May stuck to her “Brexit means Brexit” line during the visit to Scotland in September rather than giving a private briefing on how she intended to negotiate Britain’s way out of the European Union, according to a source close to the monarch. The prime minister’s failure to go beyond her public remarks during the stay meant that the Queen’s relationship with her 13th prime minister did not get off to an ideal start, the account suggests.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ne...recy-kxv3wwkj7

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How nice. I wonder if the dumbo-eared presenter's cruel remark might include his own parents?

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I'm just wondering when's Osborne going to explain to us all why that immediate emergency budget (with those huge tax rises for us ordinary folks) he stated would be necessary as a result of the economic armageddon certain to follow a Brexit vote hasn't yet been required. Maybe he's too busy making gazillions talking finance on the gravy train lecture circuit to find the time for us mere pawns... :shrug:

Anyway it's a good job enough of either chose not to believe him or put a higher value on life outside the EU than he banked on. :D

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Well I suppose it's ok to be cruel to some folks whilst portraying yourself as a saint to others you claim are the victims of it? Maybe the latter helps vastly overpaid 'celebrities' like him feel better about all that wealth they've acquired, including those fine folk who continuing preaching generosity to the rest of us whilst doing their utmost to minimise the amount of tax they pay into the common pot. How's about that for true hypocrisy?

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Good factual summary on where we stand with Brexit six months after the referendum. Conclusion seems to be that so far it's all been about process and not substance and that a note of realism is creeping in.

http://www.economist.com/news/britai...ance-2017-will

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:D
https://www.facebook.com/veryBrexitp...type=3&theater

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Why Leave voters are my heroes of 2016

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Cheers Ramrod, Merry Christmas to you and thank you for your Sanity ! :)

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Yes, process is important, given the determination EU bureaucrats, some politicians and others have to try and trip us up.

To me, what we have to negotiate can be summarised as:

1. Ability of EU countries to trade with Britain (and vice versa) free of tariff restrictions. This needs to be signed off without fettering Britain in terms of who it can trade with outside the EU (and without an EU requirement to apply tariffs to such trade).

2. Continued co-operation on security issues.

3. Mutual co-operation regarding repatriation of criminals who have served their sentences and the handing over of criminals to face trial.

4. Agreement on how Britain extracates itself from EU laws.

5. Agreement on permitting EU nationals currently residing in Britain and vice versa to stay and the abolition of the EU requirement for free movement of people into our country.

6. Transitional arrangements to ensure a smooth transfer in the interests of both the EU and UK.

7. Agreement on any remaining financial obligations on both sides, including how grants are dealt with.

These are the main areas to be negotiated and none of this should be news to anyone, and so I don't understand why some are saying that the Government needs to be clear on this.

Of course, it would not be surprising if the EU bureaucrats continued their campaign of penalising Britain for daring to leave, and so if it became clear we were getting nowhere fast, we should tell them that we are leaving without any agreements on these matters and apply WTO rules.

It is pretty simple really, although of course the practical detail of each issue to be negotiated will probably be quite difficult and so getting Parliament's approval in advance of negotiations is not a viable proposition. A vote in Parliament should be done at the end of the negotiations, not at the beginning.

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I fully appreciate that it all seems a bit distant but here's just one of the many issues that businesses need clarification on. Google the article headline to read the full article. Can the UK set up 34 industry regulators in two years? Who pays for the extra costs involved?

Business faces ‘confusion’ over post-Brexit regulation, CBI warns
Businesses in Britain face “confusion and uncertainty” over the post-Brexit regulatory regime with the UK having to maintain or copy the work of no fewer than 34 European regulators, the CBI employers’ group has warned.

With sectors from life sciences to medicine to financial services under the auspices of EU watchdogs, Theresa May, prime minister, must decide whether to extricate the UK from all of those bodies after leaving the bloc.

Questioned on the issue in the Commons on Monday, Mrs May said no decision had been made and the Brexit department was studying all of the regulators before making a decision: “We need to look with great care and consideration at the wide range of our relationships with Europe,” she replied.

Yet staying under the auspices of any European regulator would leave Britain under the influence of the European Court of Justice — breaching a Brexit “red line” set by the prime minister herself in her speech to the Conservative party conference this autumn. “We are not leaving only to return to the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice,” she said.

Replicating work currently performed by EU agencies by setting up UK equivalents would come at a “huge cost” to taxpayers, said Pat McFadden, a senior Labour MP. “It would be sensible to approach these European agencies on a case-by-case basis. But the issue of the ECJ is a problem that the prime minister has created for herself by making this a red line.

The aerospace and aviation sectors, which contributed £52bn to UK GDP last year, are deeply concerned at the prospect that Britain will pull out of the EASA, which sets rules for certification of everything from aircraft and their components to flight training schools. Recreating a domestic regulatory system in the UK would be expensive and take years, say executives.
https://www.ft.com/content/7dc9a004-...9-9445cac8966f

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Good article.
Brexit facts to get you through that awkward Christmas dinner :)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ristmas-dinner

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But surely, Theresa May cannot give certainty when what we want has to be negotiated. It's nonsense to expect the UK to go in with its size nines, making a huge set of demands without them pushing back on things that are dear to them. We can only set out the areas of discussion, not the detail, at this stage.

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there won't be any awkwardness as no remoaners are invited to sit around the table as its a winner winner xmas dinner .

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She said at the party conference that she doesn't want to be covered by the European Courts of Justice so surely she can state that she doesn't want UK companies to be overseen by EU institutions as ECJ governance is a necessity of that happening and start to create the 34 UK regulators.

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Sounds like my kind of dinner. But as for the Brexit facts, which have been published in, The Guardian, a venomously anti-brexit paper, think I would have more fun reading a book, which explains why paint takes so long to dry. ;)

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Oh dear, That's the end of the Airbus 360 until France find another wing & engine maufacturer.

The rest of British Industry will have to wait for the required regulatory bodies to be set up before exports can resume.

It is good to know that any regulatory body we set up will superseed the requirements of those of any country we decide to export to.

What a load of typical remoaner nonsense!

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They're just people trying to earn an honest crust and plan for a post-Brexit environment in the UK. Surely you should be applauding their post-Brexit forward-thinking as oppose to swatting them away like a fly?

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Are these the self same people that for decades have been complaining about the increased costs of EU regulation?

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I couldn't think of anything more EUropean than a Smurf's dinner!

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No, these are business people not politicians.

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Brexit opinion surveys show huge swing to Remain in UK regions that voted Leave
Most people now want to remain in the European Union in parts of the UK that voted overwhelmingly for Brexit, according to opinion surveys by several different local newspapers.

The Wolverhampton-based Express and Star newspaper became the fourth outlet to publish results showing a complete u-turn in public opinion on Saturday, with 60 per cent of respondents saying they would now vote to stay in the EU. Three other regional publications in the north east and the West Midlands recorded similar findings.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7494421.html

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Shame, they won't get another vote though so really it's immaterial.