Cable Forum - Britain outside the EU

Agreed.

Then it will tip into wanting a seat at the table and 20 years hence we'll be leading Europe again and enjoying a stronger currency. Illegal crossings from France will be a fraction of what they are today as we return them swiftly back to France.

Or perhaps we'll settle for a half-in, half out approach. Either way, you can't fight basic economics for too long.

Similarly can’t beat demographics you can only hold it back so long.

Sure, to date the Ponzi scheme has dragged younger generations to the right as they get older, however in a recession, in a country getting poorer and with reduced opportunities that’ll be harder than ever.

Mick	04-07-2023 07:22

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I can see as usual, the boring folk, formerly known as Remainiacs, now rejoiners, preaching on about voting the wrong way, being fooled in to voting this way, you need to shut up, I won’t have anyone tell me such bullshit, I still stand by, we do not need to be in the corrupted EU, Germany in recession, France rioting itself in to civil war.

jfman

04-07-2023 07:35

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36155216)

Nobody said anyone voted the wrong way or that anyone was fooled.

What’s undoubtedly true is that the current Government have been absolutely incapable of delivering any benefits. It’s all eggs in the Starmer basket from here on in.

Just as joining the EU was revisited over time, ultimately in a democracy leaving the EU and the bad Brexit deal will inevitably be reviewed once it’s politically palatable and future generations decide for themselves.

In the 2030s howling that it’s “overturning democracy” won’t wash. People are living through the highest inflation and the biggest fall in living standards. Wherever there is a Brexit dividend it’s more likely to be experienced offshore than on these shores.

1andrew1

04-07-2023 07:47

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36155216)

I can see as usual, the boring folk, formerly known as Remainiacs, now rejoiners, preaching on about voting the wrong way, being fooled in to voting this way, you need to shut up.

As jfman has pointed out, no one has said that. The only explanation is that it's come from your subconscious.

1andrew1

04-07-2023 20:23

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I think Sir Keir is quite happy have a low-policy manifesto so can't see this being included but once in power...

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Keir Starmer facing pressure to offer new customs union policy with EU as Brexit regret rises

Keir Starmer is under pressure to adopt a more radical policy on Brexit ahead of the next election amid polling showing voters are increasingly disillusioned with the UK’s withdrawal from the EU.

A proposal to include negotiating a bespoke customs union with Brussels for the UK in Labour’s general election manifesto will be discussed at the party’s national policy forum later this month, i can reveal.

A number of Labour MPs believe there is a palpable shift in public opinion on Brexit due to comparatively worse inflation figures in the UK to Europe and ongoing issues with the trade deal with Brussels, and that space is now opening up for a “bolder” approach to Britain’s relationship with the EU.

However, it is understood that Sir Keir and Mr Lammy’s position to rule out rejoining the EU, or to countenance a single market or customs union deal, has not changed and that the policy of pursuing an improved trade deal in 2025 remains firm.

Polling for i this week showed that more voters want to rejoin the EU than stay out, while 57 per cent blame Brexit for high UK inflation – which is around three percentage points higher than in the Eurozone.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/ke...brexit-2454262

jfman

04-07-2023 22:13

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36155297)

I think Sir Keir is quite happy have a low-policy manifesto so can't see this being included but once in power...

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/ke...brexit-2454262

If someone is going to u-turn on a commitment, it’s him. Once half the Tories get their P45 next winter the voices howling in opposition will be marginalised.

1andrew1

04-07-2023 22:53

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36155312)

If someone is going to u-turn on a commitment, it’s him. Once half the Tories get their P45 next winter the voices howling in opposition will be marginalised.

Make no commitments and a have a policy-light manifesto and no one can complain when you gain power!

Mick	05-07-2023 01:16

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36155217)

Oh really, so WTF is this bullshit from daveb on about then?

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=5212

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36155219)

As jfman has pointed out, no one has said that. The only explanation is that it's come from your subconscious.

Yes they have. See above, open your eyes 👀 FFS. :dozey:

jfman

05-07-2023 07:39

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So one single example of a remoaner etc.

Good to know the rest of us are on solid ground calling this out for what it is - a Tory pup.

Mick	05-07-2023 08:30

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You said there was none! You lied.

jfman

05-07-2023 09:16

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It’s more likely I glanced past such a glib remark rather than outright lied. However, it’s not really relevant to the point at hand. How’s your confidence level in Starmer making a success of Brexit?

1andrew1

05-07-2023 09:45

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36155337)

The only people I have confidence in making a success of Brexit are Macron, Scholz and Varadkar.

Damien

05-07-2023 09:54

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Well he either needs better trading terms with the EU and/or a big trade deal. We were meant to replace the loss of trade with the EU with a US trade deal. Didn't happen.

1andrew1

05-07-2023 10:14

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36155343)

Well he either needs better trading terms with the EU and/or a big trade deal. We were meant to replace the loss of trade with the EU with a US trade deal. Didn't happen.

Also with India and China. Didn't happen.

It was a gamble that didn't work.

How much more inflation and how many more small boat migrants do we need to prove this?
- Inflation: We're currently three percentage points above the Eurozone.
- Small boat migrants: Record numbers are coming into the UK on small boats - they know we can no longer send them back to France.

OLD BOY

05-07-2023 13:22

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36155328)

So one single example of a remoaner etc.

Good to know the rest of us are on solid ground calling this out for what it is - a Tory pup.

It was an example that proved you wrong. Nifty dodge, though, you’re good at that.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36155343)

Well he either needs better trading terms with the EU and/or a big trade deal. We were meant to replace the loss of trade with the EU with a US trade deal. Didn't happen.

Yes, the President changed. Biden doesn’t do trade deals. Too much brain work.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36155347)

Relationships with China have changed. India is negotiating. These things take time.

https://www.india-briefing.com/news/...ta-25699.html/

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