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Mick 17-12-2018 14:01

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35975763)
The colours are for different scales on each map - on the leave map the scales are

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...&d=1545051186p

and on the Rescind Article 50 map they are
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1545051186

You don't say - I am well aware of that - but it does not negate my point at all.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975766)
You know what they says Hugh.

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

You better not be accusing me of lying!!! :mad:

jfman 17-12-2018 14:04

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35975764)
Which is exactly why I chose the ones I highlighted above - they are the opposite of each other.

The difference in the deep reds says it all - people have not changed their minds. It's just a pathetic fallacy by Remainers in Parliament trying to get another divisive Referendum.

Unless the sample size is about 34 million it’s impossible to use those graphs to derive anything meaningful.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35975767)
You don't say - I am well aware of that - but it does not negate my point at all.

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You better not be accusing me of lying!!! :mad:

It wasn’t my intention to accuse anyone of lying.

It’s just an old saying about how statistics can sometimes be used to give a meaning that they actually don’t if you dig deeper. No offence intended.

Mick 17-12-2018 14:09

Re: Brexit
 
They do have meaning - it shows people have not changed their minds on leaving the EU.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975769)
Unless the sample size is about 34 million it’s impossible to use those graphs to derive anything meaningful.

I'll remember that next time you quote a Data Poll result on this subject matter.

Sephiroth 17-12-2018 14:10

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35975750)
The tide is turning, rapidly.... Even her own ministers seem to be ignoring TM now.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...nd-referendum/

Remember, these are Remainers who are keen to thwart Brexit. They are part of the anti-democratic tendency that wishes to take advantage of the parliamentary deadlock.

pip08456 17-12-2018 14:18

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975769)
Unless the sample size is about 34 million it’s impossible to use those graphs to derive anything meaningful.

We had a sample size of about 34 million which gave a meaningful leave result.
We called it a referendum.

jfman 17-12-2018 14:23

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35975777)

We had a sample size of about 34 million which gave a meaningful leave result.
We called it a referendum.

Unless you have two you can’t measure change :)

Mr K 17-12-2018 14:24

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35975773)
Remember, these are Remainers who are keen to thwart Brexit. They are part of the anti-democratic tendency that wishes to take advantage of the parliamentary deadlock.

They are also Ministers, part of the Government. Will they be sacked ? If not then it implies its the Govt's thoughts too.

Sephiroth 17-12-2018 14:24

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975778)

Unless you have two you can’t measure change :)

What a contrivance. A second referendum just to measure any change of opinion. Jeez.

Mythica 17-12-2018 14:32

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35975721)
I suspect millions of People did not vote to leave based on promises made, I certainly did not - I took absolutely no notice of ANY campaigns because my mind was made up for leaving years before any campaigns began.

Parliament is full of Pro EU loons who are putting their own personal beliefs before the peoples, who gave them an instruction to leave the EU and yes I say instruction because that is what they did, they passed the sovereign choice to us to decide and we decided to leave the EU, (I will not be told otherwise by anybody!!!).

Just because you didn't take any notice of the campaigns doesn't mean others did. You speak for yourself and yourself alone. If others want second vote based on what we know now, that's a fair opinion to have.

Mick 17-12-2018 14:34

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 35975781)
Just because you didn't take any notice of the campaigns doesn't mean others did. You speak for yourself and yourself alone. If others want second vote based on what we know now, that's a fair opinion to have.

On that footing - I guess then that this is just your opinion then. ;)

Damien 17-12-2018 14:39

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35975765)
Shamelessly copied from another forum, but I liked it and agree with it.

Again then what the public say and how they're react if things go wrong might be very different. It's all very well for people to say 'we know the consequences, we just want OUT' but as soon as their personal situation is impacted a lot will blame the politicians.

Mythica 17-12-2018 14:41

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35975782)
On that footing - I guess then that this is just your opinion then. ;)

Of course it is. The problem comes when you believe democracy means lies.

Sephiroth 17-12-2018 14:42

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35975779)
They are also Ministers, part of the Government. Will they be sacked ? If not then it implies its the Govt's thoughts too.

Amber Rudd in particular, throughout the last 2 years has been seditious in relation to the Referendum result, Along with Hammond.

pip08456 17-12-2018 15:04

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35975780)

What a contrivance.

Could you amend the quote in that post Seph? It makes it look as though the comment was mine.

jfman 17-12-2018 15:05

Re: Brexit
 
Rudd is the most interesting one. She’s only returned and is going against the Party line.


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