Cable Forum - UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

On this occasion, I would rule out a Boris u-turn. His Covid reversal is understandable and all the more embarrassing for him because of his "inhuman" reference a few days earlier.

He won't want to be seen in that light again and he knows he's toast if he wavers on the Brexit deadline.

On Brexit itself, the economies of both the EU and UK are somewhat trashed. So no need to remain tied to the EU and its rules when we can have the freedom to rebuild as we see fit.

1andrew1

21-12-2020 18:17

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36063202)

There's no majority for no deal in Parliament and no majority for it amongst the electorate. Does he pander to the ERG or perform another of his trade mark u-turns?

Sephiroth

21-12-2020 18:40

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36063206)

There's no majority for no deal in Parliament and no majority for it amongst the electorate. Does he pander to the ERG or perform another of his trade mark u-turns?

Our Parliament has nothing to do with this unless I've seriously misunderstood matters. Parliament is on standby for recall if there is a deal for them to ratify. If the Government does not request the Speaker to reconvene Parliament, then they don't have anything more to do with the goings on until the next normal sitting.

That said, your bland statement highlighted above isn't particularly meaningful. do agree that most MPs want a deal. But what deal. Can you qualify your statement as to what deal MPs want?

Hugh	21-12-2020 18:47

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36063208)

Our Parliament has nothing to do with this unless I've seriously misunderstood matters. Parliament is on standby for recall if there is a deal for them to ratify. If the Government does not request the Speaker to reconvene Parliament, then they don't have anything more to do with the goings on until the next normal sitting.

That said, your bland statement highlighted above isn't particularly meaningful. do agree that most MPs want a deal. But what deal. Can you qualify your statement as to what deal MPs want?

Surely "Deal means Deal"?

Carth

21-12-2020 18:49

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I'm actually surprised that Andrew has found the time to contact the whole 'electorate' to ask them about 'no deal'

Maybe he'd be better employed in track n trace :D

1andrew1

21-12-2020 18:55

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36063210)

Surely "Deal means Deal"?

Exactly. :tu:

Sephiroth

21-12-2020 19:01

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36063212)

Exactly. :tu:

Andrew, you can do better than agree with Hugh's content-free remark.

Please find an answer to my question:

What deal? Can you qualify your statement as to what deal MPs want?

Hugh	21-12-2020 19:16

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36063214)

Andrew, you can do better than agree with Hugh's content-free remark.

Please find an answer to my question:

What deal? Can you qualify your statement as to what deal MPs want?

Funny, you said something similar previously- I don’t remember you calling that ‘content-free"?

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36052327)

.... and that should not include Andrew's attraction to the hegemonic EU nor advocacy for its negotiating position

A "Patriotic Brit" in these days would bear/support at least the following attributes:

1. Brexit means Brexit;
2. Leave means Leave;
3. British waters mean British waters;
4. Sovereignty means sovereignty;
5. Sod the SNP.

papa smurf

21-12-2020 19:29

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Pedantry means pedantry;)

1andrew1

21-12-2020 19:48

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36063214)

Andrew, you can do better than agree with Hugh's content-free remark.

Please find an answer to my question:

What deal? Can you qualify your statement as to what deal MPs want?

I've not seen that level of detail in the public domain.

Sephiroth

21-12-2020 20:00

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Andrew, you can do better than agree with Hugh's content-free remark.

Please find an answer to my question:

What deal? Can you qualify your statement as to what deal MPs want?

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I've not seen that level of detail in the public domain.

Then it's a bit of a punt to to guess what the majority of MPs think.
There will almost certainly be differences of opinion as to what the deal should contain failing which some of those MPs would accept no deal.

So why did you say what you said? Particularly since MPs won't be able to ratify no deal.

1andrew1

21-12-2020 20:08

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36063222)

I'm not guessing, I've read it in an article. I'll share it if I find it again.

But Hugh's comparison to "Brexit means Brexit" is a fair one.

jfman

21-12-2020 20:12

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36063219)

Pedantry means pedantry;)