Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36152946)

Hang on, OB. Is that real GDP or nominal GDP? And what does growth look like when you adjust for inflation?

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36152950)

Your point being….?

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36152927)

We win some, we lose some. There’s nothing new in that.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36152945)

Of course you would say that. Your mind is closed to arguments that go against your mindset and prove you wrong.

Instead of slagging off the sources of information provided to you to back up statements people make, why not actually look at what the articles say? Then if you disagree, let’s hear why.

If you are telling me that the facts here are wrong, let’s see some back up for your assertion.

My real point is that any twerp can find negative stories to back up their claims. But true thinkers look at both sides of the argument and come up with a reasoned opinion.

All we hear from remainers are the negative stories. All the positive ones are ignored. That is what makes contributing to this debate on here so tiresome.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36152962)

Always look at the source, rather than interpretations of the source…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1685390960

https://www.oecd.org/economic-outlook/march-2023/

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36152931)

Germany's economy is doing worse than ours...

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36152931)

Come off it, Ian, both sides lied.

And it has not been a catastrophe. True, the review of EU laws and so on has taken longer to get under way, but Covid lost us some valuable time. It's picking up now, with the first EU laws being extinguished and replaced within months and the remainder to follow. The Pacific trade deal is agreed and will provide a real fillip to our economy, particularly as it will cover favourable conditions for the service sector, our biggest earner.

Germany's economy is doing worse than ours, and yet you don't take into account these facts, preferring to concentrate on negative comparisons. It's a bit of an obsession, isn't it?

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36152973)

Like a bald English man fighting over a comb.

Inflation is high, living standards are falling. Ah, but our economic growth (not adjusted for inflation) is a fraction of one per cent higher than Germany :rofl:

Pray, tell, OB how many centuries would that have to persist for before living standards rise in this country?

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36152985)

Imagine trumpeting the economy merely stagnating as some sort of victory, I know the bar is low but really, that's a win now days

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36152967)

You do realise that they are projections, don’t you, Hugh? Out of date, to boot, and proved wrong already. We are not now projected to go into recession, whereas Germany is.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36152997)

I guess it all depends on the period you choose to compare.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36152982)

OB, I am not going to debate objective reality. Been there, done that. If you cannot be honest enough to accept that what the electorate was promised were lies then there is no debate possible.

As for Germany, for a G7 economy that is in the midst of re-engineering its industrial dependency on Russian gas it doing a pretty good job considering. The UK has no such dependency.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36153005)

I know; it’s as if you and your sources cherrypicked data to suit a fledgeling argument. And ignore inflation, of course.

Are British people getting better off relative to Germans? An irrelevance for those like yourself that consider the country a roulette wheel from which to offshore our wealth and take it elsewhere.