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I'm afraid that stable door fell off long ago. See the Sanger link I posted last night (which is already 10 days out of date).

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The real value in throwing vaccines into the most prominent areas is to test the vaccine in the real world.

It's got virtually nothing to do with protecting the people there.

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What's the quickest way to test efficacy of all the vaccines, across all age groups and a range of underlying conditions?

You can wait around forever for a significant amount of infections in an area where the virus is under control. Or you can take it head on where it's rife and measure what decline (if any) arises

If the goal was reduce infections then local lockdown doesn't take a few weeks to deploy and a few weeks to take effect.

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Nothing in the real world.


But the anti-vaxers, Covid-19 deniers won't allow it without throwing their toys out of the pram

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I was thinking about this and was there anything to be said for the ring fencing approach used during smallpox eradication where it was 'all hands to the pump' to vaccinate everyone within a certain area of a smallpox infection. Obviously, it worked well as there's no smallpox any more.

However, there are a couple of reasons why this might not work;

• You have asymptomatic carriers going in and out of the area unlike smallpox where, if you were infectious, you REALLY knew it
• The motivation for getting inoculated against smallpox was pretty strong - you don't want smallpox
• Vaccination takes up to 14 days to work (smallpox was faster)

I think the only way ring fencing would work would be with compulsory quarantine and vaccination.

I saw a tweet earlier from Mark Easton at the BBC which said that only 13% of the population of Burnley worked from home compared with 71% for Richmond which goes some way to explain the rise in cases in some areas - https://twitter.com/BBCMarkEaston/st...18979514884096

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I did my first Covid-19 test today, I heard my sister laugh as I gagged when doing the tonsils, and she laughed again when I sneezed after doing it up the nose.


Of course, it came back negative.

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My second dose was due tomorrow, now put back a week due to "supply problems" (OAZ).

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That made the Figures at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ go negative by 2065 new cases.

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Lots if you live in Bolton.

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Understatement of the week award.

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A local lockdown also helps protect people in that area.

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Erroneous assumption is that local lockdown is playing against opening up. In reality it's playing against national lockdown. Then again Pierre's proposed decision making tend to encourage those.

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Local lockdown German style :D

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-57164317

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You do know that we are continuing to let people in from that country don't you, there has been 110 direct flights from India during the last three weeks alone

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Except that the vaccines will prevent another national lockdown.

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Hopefully. We should get some good data on efficacy vs variants (plus preventing hospitalisation and deaths) in the next few weeks.

You know, the type that doesn't require qualification on the Sunday mornings.

Words to look out for: think, expect, should, may. Also watch for people talking about their own confidence (personal opinion); against Covid (not variant specific) and vaccines in general (including the higher performing mRNA vaccines in their opinion).