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Entirely speculative. Avoiding a second wave means significant ongoing restrictions.

No normal = entrenching the recession and mass unemployment. Consumer behaviour is, and will remain, significantly different. Once we are done an early, proper, longer lockdown and eliminating the virus (plus effective test, trace, isolate) will look like the cheap option.

Instead trying to do it on the cheap, relying on luck, speculation and the virus “not liking warm climates” will cost more.

I do wonder who benefits from longer term instability. Those who speculate on the financial markets obviously, this is a once in a generation opportunity. And some of them get to work from home.

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Is there any information on how long a person 'carries' the virus if they're asymptomatic? Does it just go away after a week or two?

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In other news, the new 'Knee Jerk' government causes more chaos.

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Not really, restrictions have been eased since June and lockdown was lifted well over a month ago.

Thousands have been congregating on Beaches, pubs and rallies, infection rate has stayed steady around 1000 or less. It was announced again today that it has levelled off again after a slight rise.

The Manchester council leader on R4 today advised that infection rates in Oldham are double, yet hospital admissions have halved.

It was predicted months ago, and posted on here by me, that a second wave would not happen and it would be a plateau with the odd ripple, and that is what is happening.

As much as you would to see Rome burn, it ain’t going to happen

I’ve already said there won’t be “Normal“ but restrictions should continue to lifted and local fluctuations should be dealt with by just shielding the at risk groups.

I know who benefits from further lockdowns, no one. We need to be smarter.

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Why are idiots complaining that they haven't been given enough notice about the new current quarantined countries?


We were all told that this could happen, yet these idiots still travel.

My sister chose to lose £800 in lost flights (as Ryan air still flew to the country, but their accommodation had been cancelled). Ryan air would have transferred them for £900.

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My only issue is the companies raise prices by 400%, they should be massively find by regulators.

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As you know the biggest restrictions are schools and the middle classes working from home.

I’m sure it was announced today that R is above 1 in England. That road leads one place. Lockdown.

You need to be right about that every day. I only need to be right once. And we are at or near the limits of what we can ease.

Far from. I’ve been advising that short term pain = long term gain. Old normal back in action. Despite its failings it was/is achievable.

And we will not be smarter by following strategies discounted by the entire world.

I don’t think that you fully understand the precarious nature of almost every capitalist business working in competitive markets. They can’t afford small single figure drops in trade, let alone the levels of shift we will see as the middle classes, and thanks to technology many administrative working classes, shield over the winter, absolutely rationally. You sanction the over 50s shielding - a further sizeable proportion of the consumer base.

These fundamentally undermine the entire economy and will continue to do so in the long term. It is not me advocating Rome burning. I’m advocating throwing the volume of the Atlantic Ocean over it. You seem to think if everyone opens a window and urinates out of it that this will cause the flame to subside. If I am certain of anything it will not.

If you end up right on this it will be by pure chance.

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:LOL:

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It wasn’t

R remains the same

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...-show-12049175

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Unfortunately they are the only Airline that flew to their holiday destination from our local airport on the day they wanted.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-517682...wshealthcvd%5D

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It’s really irrelevant if R is 0.99999 or 1. Restrictions ease, more human contact, R increases in the absence of steps to mitigate.

Who knows maybe the virus doesn’t like the cold? It turns out it wasn’t that bothered by the heat so let’s wager on that. My magic 8 ball (ask8ball.net) says it’s “most likely” we will defeat coronavirus so some other acts of chance must go in our favour in the absence of an coherent public health position.

Some “insights” into the Swedish Socrates of herd immunity and his lack of expertise have been revealed in some emails.

https://www.thelocal.se/20200812/why...egnells-emails

“Over in one or two months“. Old Boy may yet have a career in epidemiology if he has the right to live and work in the European Union. I’m confident Sweden will be recruiting soon.

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Wibble, Take the pencils out your nose, the underwear off your head and keep off the gin.

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Scroll to the bottom of the article, just above the last chart - the final paragraph says why SAGE don’t have confidence in the previous measurements.