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Still takes time to come up with a new vaccine and vaccinate everybody. What happens in the meantime?

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Well, would you mind telling me which variants are immune to the available vaccines? There is no point in worrying about something that has not happened.

We have been told that modified inoculations will be available this autumn, anyway. It takes only a few weeks to modify it as required.

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We should continue to live in fear. Makes perfect sense.

Mortality rate is under 50’s - 0.5 %
Mortality rate in under 40’s - 0.19%
Mortality rate in under 30’s - 0.04%
Mortality rate in under 20’s - 0.01%

And this is before the vaccine roll out got really going.

Yes, we should all live in fear.

The government and the media really have done a number on everyone.


https://www.gov.uk/government/public...england-report

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Not like you to do selective interpretation, OB.

I heard of increasing confidence. I heard nothing in absolute terms. The fact Boris took to television on Friday at 5pm makes me think that confidence isn’t that high - added to the u-turn on 12 weeks.

Here’s one for the scrap heap with it going away by itself in the summer (2020).

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Are the numbers low because of lockdown, vaccine or a combination of both? This remains to some extent unclear. The vaccines against variants even less proven to date. An order of 60 million Pfizer doses for autumn makes me think (as ever) the Government confidence levels aren’t that high.

Distancing. Masks. Work from home if you can. The easy, no cost ones at a minimum while more people get vaccinated (twice) and more real world (not lab) data emerges on vaccine vs variants.

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I know - imagine using an existing search facility to provide information to support a proposition.

It’s almost as if you think providing facts and context was a bad thing… ;)

btw, an archivist is a person who has the job of collecting and storing the materials in an archive - did you mean a researcher? ;)

(In a previous life I was an Intelligence Analyst, so your poor attempts at derision for using skills I learned then are wasted - but keep on keepin’ on…)

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Didn't say any current variants dodge current immunity. New variants are going to keep popping up, because people are determined to spread the existing ones, which then given the chance to evolve into new ones.
The fact that each time a new variant is announced, questions are asked and checks are made. demonstrates that it is considered a possibility. There can be no guarantees.

Viruses don't necessarily just badly affect those with weaker immune systems. Spanish Flu is an example of where those with strong immune systems were badly affected.

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https://news.sky.com/story/is-the-in...erned-12280387 The problem is, we don’t know, and until we do, caution should be our watchword, because we have recent first-hand experience of what happens when we don’t.

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Distancing = no cost? Try telling that to theatre, cinemas, restaurants, clubs etc. Your grasp of business as on point as usual.

Let’s wait, and wait, and wait, and wait...........hold on.......are you Kier Starmer?

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They can enjoy the next lockdown then, which as ever remains absolutely inevitable unless something of substance changes.

I think you'll find that it's official government policy to wait and judge the position on June 14. This Conservative Government led by Johnson.

They've also put local lockdown on the table. It's a slippery slope but one you seem desperate (as ever) to climb on.

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As always this seems lost upon those who for 15 months now this has been a constant trait. Almost as if they enjoy a lockdown so insist upon spinning the roulette wheel to achieve another one.

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If you're to ill to wear a mask then you probably shouldn't be out in a pandemic anyway. Why their rights were given greater weight than the people's lives they might infect was never really explained

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So why make them

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Variants aren't immune, for the covid to be immune from vaccine it'll have to evolve into something entirely new, like covid 21 iirc. Heard a very interesting report on radio 4 earlier on bats, think it was called patient zero focusing on the Hendra virus and how bats host so many different viruses that continued further exposure to humans can only lead to more outbreaks, hendra virus is 60% fatal in humans and 90% fatal to horses so there's some real nasties in store for us if we carry on as we are

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Trawling up old posts from a single source, Cable Forum (I.e. an archive) .

And , anyone can use Google. But that wasn’t what I was referring to.

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It was not a selective interpretation, jfman. Did you actually watch the Andrew Marr Show?

As for the summer 2020 prediction, the virus did indeed reduce to minimal levels. It was the Kent variant that changed everything.

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So it didn’t go away by itself, in fact the opposite happened and it became more transmissible? That’s bad luck OB, I’ll give you that.

I don’t need to watch Andrew Marr - there’s a write up on the BBC website. You are conflating optimism, and indications with cold, hard evidence.

But let’s face it, you’ve ignored evidence since last February so why change the habit of the pandemic. I look forward to how you were right but for the pesky Indian variant on June 22 as we retain masks and distancing on the basis of actual evidence not optimism.

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No it was a few working vaccines that did that.;)

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So far, all of the vaccines work against the variants. Vaccines can be modified in about six weeks to take account of new strains where necessary. Like flu, there will be appropriately modified vaccines each year to be used as boosters. In fact, they may introduce joint flu/Covid vaccines.

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And you are accusing me of using selective arguments. :D