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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36062440)

If you had phrased your reply "I would rather have stayed .... " then Papa wouldn't have had a point to make.

Do you not think that there's a significant difference between making a point and being pedantic for the sake of it?

I'm quite sure Maggy is aware that we have left the EU.......

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36062452)

Do you not think that there's a significant difference between making a point and being pedantic for the sake of it?

I'm quite sure Maggy is aware that we have left the EU.......

Only giving support to Papa. I also like semantic accuracy, especially from a teacher!

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36062403)

The Torygraph’s experts will be all over it in short order. Weaknesses will be brought swiftly into view.

They already have been. Boris is going to be most depised PM by Brexiteers since urrmmm ....., the last one....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ls-brexiteers/

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The Government is masterminding a sell-out to Brussels – and Brexiteers are in on it

The PM has checkmated the UK by making mass concessions via the Withdrawal Agreement and failing to prepare thoroughly for No Deal .

'Act haste and repent at leisure" goes the old adage. When it comes to a thousand-page international treaty on your country’s ability to self-govern, one would argue that remorse lasts in perpetuity.

With news today that MPs may work until Christmas Eve to pass a deal with the EU, or, worse still, may not vote until next year and "retrospectively correct" domestic law to recognise an agreement, we can safely say due scrutiny of whatever Boris brings back is for the birds. That is extremely ominous indeed.

Cast your minds back to the Withdrawal Agreement – the dreaded rehash of Theresa May’s subjugation that Johnson himself called "vassalage" – and you may remember that it was first revealed on October 17 2019, a luxurious three months before it actually became statute. An entire election campaign to get Johnson, and the Brexiteer family favourites, back in office was built around how fantastic this deal supposedly was. The Withdrawal Agreement Act was passed before Christmas by an ebullient Boris and put into statute on January 23, with freshly elected Brexiteers hardly able to recant their campaign compliance.

The same legislation (in particular the appended Political Declaration) outlines the very framework of the future deal we await today. Brexiteer MPs claiming not to know what horrors lie in store are thus rather absurd.

Wind the clock forward half a year and one time ERG Chair Steve Baker confessed in The Critic that he had no idea there would be a border down the Irish Sea. It’s one thing to miss small print, but accidentally annexing a constituent country to a foreign power is a monumental mistake. This precipitated the utter farce of having to draw up the Internal Markets Bill and breaking the international law enshrined in the Withdrawal Agreement to protect UK food supply chains – legislation only apparently needed in the event of No Deal and now alarmingly dropped.

In giving up the contentious elements of the IMB designed to mitigate the worst scenarios emanating from the highly controversial Northern Irish Protocol, Michael Gove has essentially conceded that Belfast will be left in the Customs Union, despite repeated assurances that the UK would depart from the EU intact.

To agitate now over the devilish detail of a coming deal is rather too little, too late. The damage was done last year, with the Withdrawal Agreement – readily extolled as hustings took place up and down the country – granting the Conservative Party major leverage over backbenchers and prospective parliamentarians. Hitherto pivotal voices joined in chorus to approve the oven-ready deal, such as that of Brexit-backing QC Martin Howe, who happened to vie to be the Conservative candidate, albeit unsuccessfully, in the seat of Beaconsfield vacated by Dominic Grieve.

Howe today has rightly decried not having access to the draft legal texts, enabling any forthcoming treaty to be dumped as a fait accompli. But Howe should know what the deal will look like, having counselled Brexiteers into backing the Withdrawal Agreement and the Political Declaration during the election. All the unconscionable concessions are those being wrestled over today: paragraph 77 of the Political Declaration outlines a level playing field, paragraph 73 fixed fishing quotas and paragraph 131 the EU’s own Courts of Justice as arbiter of future disputes. For anyone to have asserted that a simple free trade agreement could somehow emerge from such a text was bizarre.

We are now facing a situation where, as deadlines loom, the Commons may be forced to amend retrospectively domestic law to accommodate a dreadful deal, a move that Leader of the House and famed Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg admits would be hugely controversial and legally contentious, yet is seemingly happy to enable.

Boris has checkmated the UK by legally enshrining mass concessions via the Withdrawal Agreement and failing to prepare thoroughly for a No Deal outcome.

Yet he was aided and abetted by the very politicians now fearing a great sell-out to Brussels, who were complicit in cheerleading the oven-ready deal that spells out much of what is to come.

The writing may not be in statute yet. But it is clearly on the wall.

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

It would be useful when posting yet another Govt/Brexit bashing post if one didn't link it to a pay site . .

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36062459)

It would be useful when posting yet another Govt/Brexit bashing post if one didn't link it to a pay site . .

I didn't realise that the Telegraph was anti-Tory Government and anti-Brexit?

You learn something new every day... ;)

And considering it was written by two ex-Brexit MEPs (well, for 7 months, anyway), unless it actually called for the nuking of Berlin and Paris, they weren't going to be in favour of whatever was proposed...

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36062459)

It would be useful when posting yet another Govt/Brexit bashing post if one didn't link it to a pay site . .

Well thats why I pasted the article in full. Not that I pay for the Torygraph, but they give me full access for some reason . Lucky me ! ;)

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36062468)

I didn't realise that the Telegraph was anti-Tory Government and anti-Brexit?

You learn something new every day... ;)

And considering it was written by two ex-Brexit MEPs (well, for 7 months, anyway), unless it actually called for the nuking of Berlin and Paris, they weren't going to be in favour of whatever was proposed...

Maybe the remark wasn't aimed at the article ;)

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36062483)

Maybe the remark wasn't aimed at the article ;)

What was anti-Brexit in Mr K's short sentence?

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36062485)

What was anti-Brexit in Mr K's short sentence?

Latest post or the last 3000? :D

Not true ! I haven't posted anything anti-Brexit in the Cricket thread ( I think.. )

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36062501)

Not true ! I haven't posted anything anti-Brexit in the Cricket thread ( I think.. )

:D nice one, that answer made me chuckle and is worth a rep point I can't currently give :tu:

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36062501)

Not true ! I haven't posted anything anti-Brexit in the Cricket thread ( I think.. )

*cough cough*

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...t#post36017822

:D

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36062505)

*cough cough*

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...t#post36017822

:D

It's fair cop ! ;)

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

BREAKING: Prime Minister, Boris Johnson has tonight, in a late evening phonecall with Ursula von der Leyen, told the EU to shift its stance 'substantially' with trade talks in 'serious situation'.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-bo...tinue-12165695

Full Government Statement:

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The Prime Minister spoke to Commission President Ursula von der Leyen this evening about the state of play in the UK / EU negotiations.

The Prime Minister underlined that the negotiations were now in a serious situation. Time was very short and it now looked very likely that agreement would not be reached unless the EU position changed substantially.

He said that we were making every effort to accommodate reasonable EU requests on the level playing field, but even though the gap had narrowed some fundamental areas remained difficult.

On fisheries he stressed that the UK could not accept a situation where it was the only sovereign country in the world not to be able to control access to its own waters for an extended period and to be faced with fisheries quotas which hugely disadvantaged its own industry. The EU’s position in this area was simply not reasonable and if there was to be an agreement it needed to shift significantly.

The Prime Minister repeated that little time was left. He said that, if no agreement could be reached, the UK and the EU would part as friends, with the UK trading with the EU on Australian-style terms.

The leaders agreed to remain in close contact.

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36062589)

This talk of Australian terms is palpable nonsense. Australia has a few deals with the EU. If there's no deal between the UK and the EU then it's WTO terms. It's sad that BoJo can't summon the courage to call it no-deal.