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Maggy 31-08-2021 22:15
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/31/w...ithdrawal.html

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Mr. Biden appeared intent on forcefully rejecting criticism of the end of the 20-year war in Afghanistan, offering a defensive recounting of his decision-making and blaming former President Donald J. Trump for negotiating a bad deal with the Taliban that boxed Mr. Biden and his team in.

“That was the choice, the real choice between leaving or escalating,” Mr. Biden declared, his tone angry and defensive as he opened the first minutes of his remarks. “I was not going to extend this forever war.”

papa smurf 01-09-2021 08:41
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36091586)
Angry with himself for making such a monumental fudge up of leaving, and as he says the buck stops with the commander in chief.

heero_yuy 02-09-2021 10:33
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Quote from Rod Liddle: Gradually, the Americans are realising that they have elected a weak, self-serving idiot to be their President.

You have to say, it’s taken them long enough to realise.

So desperate were the media and luvvies to get rid of Donald Trump they latched upon a semi-senile, perpetually dozing dork to replace him.

The signs were all there long before he was elected. At times he couldn’t remember the names of his own family.

He seemed to nod off in the middle of speeches. And there were the occasional snippets of racism.

Such as suggesting a black person couldn’t be a conservative.

But Afghanistan has opened the eyes of the country to the sheer cosmic uselessness of Joe Biden. A man who would do anything to save his own skin, too.

The USA was right to leave Afghanistan, sure. Donald Trump himself put that decision in train. But never in the manner that this has been done.

If Trump — whose foreign policy record was pretty good — had failed even half as spectacularly as Biden, the media would be calling for his head.
Nailed it.

Maggy 02-09-2021 11:16
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
And can anyone tell me how Trump would have handled it any better?

mrmistoffelees 02-09-2021 11:21
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36091812)
And can anyone tell me how Trump would have handled it any better?
Attempting to justify/moderate someones or a groups failure due to another individual's or groups potential failure at the same task isn't IMHO a valid metric.

The same argument is often used to validate Boris's handling of situations by decrying that 'labour would have done it worse'

Chris 02-09-2021 11:26
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
So it seems America was damned if it did and damned if it didn’t. They say people get the leaders they deserve. If that’s true, I wonder what it says about America.

mrmistoffelees 02-09-2021 11:27
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36091814)
So it seems America was damned if it did and damned if it didn’t. They say people get the leaders they deserve. If that’s true, I wonder what it says about America.
We need a 'Team America World Police' sequel ?

Maggy 02-09-2021 11:27
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36091813)
Attempting to justify/moderate someones or a groups failure due to another individual's or groups potential failure at the same task isn't IMHO a valid metric.

The same argument is often used to validate Boris's handling of situations by decrying that 'labour would have done it worse'
No just seeking clarification as to why some think Biden has been more disastrous than Trump.I think it's a perfectly valid question.

mrmistoffelees 02-09-2021 11:31
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36091816)
No just seeking clarification as to why some think Biden has been more disastrous than Trump.
IMHO whilst Trump instigated this shambles, Biden didn't have to stick to the roadmap. His arguments regarding maintaining forces in 'forever wars' hold no sway as there is still a US military presence in both Germany & Korea decades after their respective conflicts ended.

Chris 02-09-2021 11:37
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36091815)
We need a 'Team America World Police' sequel ?
… yeah!

mrmistoffelees 02-09-2021 11:48
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36091818)
… yeah!

:D:D:D:D

Damien 02-09-2021 11:48
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36091813)
Attempting to justify/moderate someones or a groups failure due to another individual's or groups potential failure at the same task isn't IMHO a valid metric.

The same argument is often used to validate Boris's handling of situations by decrying that 'labour would have done it worse'
It only matters if people are making an argument Trump would have done it better. Then it's justified to point out it was his deal and his timetable was even more aggressive.

But in terms of evaluating what actually happened then invoking Trump isn't a defence.

BenMcr 02-09-2021 11:50
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36091817)
IMHO whilst Trump instigated this shambles, Biden didn't have to stick to the roadmap. His arguments regarding maintaining forces in 'forever wars' hold no sway as there is still a US military presence in both Germany & Korea decades after their respective conflicts ended.
Neither of which are at war with the US though, so it's not a 'forever war' as such.

For Germany it's part of the NATO pact I thought, and for South Korea an agreed defence pact and payments South Korea make towards the US military there.

mrmistoffelees 02-09-2021 12:07
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36091823)
Neither of which are at war with the US though, so it's not a 'forever war' as such.

For Germany it's part of the NATO pact I thought, and for South Korea an agreed defence pact and payments South Korea make towards the US military there.
Neither were the US at war with the Taliban, combat operations ended 2,3,4 years ago ?

peanut 02-09-2021 12:09
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36091816)
No just seeking clarification as to why some think Biden has been more disastrous than Trump.I think it's a perfectly valid question.
I think with Trump he wasn't afraid to use force, he was unpredictable. Biden doesn't know what day it is.

I read somewhere that he Taliban agreement under Trump was follow it or we'll bomb you to hell. Biden probably said 'Oh Squirrel'....


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