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Mick 24-09-2019 21:02
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Just to make you aware- several posts have been deleted - Reading some earlier posts from this afternoon, we are entering old and done with arguments. Stop it!

Or those who continue to ignore such instructions, you will be banned from posting in this topic for a while..

Sephiroth 24-09-2019 21:13
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36011431)
Of course he is corrupt. He tried to exploit a process to close down Parliament to avoid scrutiny. As judged by the highest court in this land.

The work of a tin pot dictator.
Oh please. At worst. the work of a chancer (bad though that be).

Damien 24-09-2019 21:40
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36011590)
We can’t hold an election where BJ will be PM (if he wins) before the 31st October, even if he calls one* tomorrow or Thursday, as a general election would need to follow a strict timetable specified in law - Parliament has to be dissolved at least 25 working days before polling day, and by tradition, polling day is on a Thursday.

If he picked Thursday October 31 for polling day (27 working days from now), dissolution would need to take place on Thursday September 26th (but the results wouldn’t be available until the 1st of October).

So, for BJ to call* and win an election so he would still be leader by 31st October, Parliament would need to be dissolved tomorrow.


*which he can’t
Which might mean early next week the opposition call for an election assuming they trust the no deal law will work.

GrimUpNorth 24-09-2019 21:45
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
We should have a general election and another referendum on the same day.

Sephiroth 24-09-2019 21:53
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36011608)
Which might mean early next week the opposition call for an election assuming they trust the no deal law will work.
The next exciting bit will be all this agonising over the Benn Act and then the EU tell us to get stuffed - no extension.

Then it will be Parliament's fault for taking No Deal off the table and Boris, the chancer, will be a hero.



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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36011609)
We should have a general election and another referendum on the same day.
Not a bad idea.

1andrew1 24-09-2019 21:57
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36011612)
The next exciting bit will be all this agonising over the Benn Act and then the EU tell us to get stuffed - no extension.

Then it will be Parliament's fault for taking No Deal off the table and Boris, the chancer, will be a hero.



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Not a bad idea.
Boris is due some success, so far he's been the Thomas Cook of Prime Ministers. He's just shown what a better PM Theresa May has been. She must be grateful that someone of his calibre stepped into her shoes.

I can't see that it's in the EU's interests to not grant an extension as it increases the likelihood of our remaining a member.

Hugh 24-09-2019 22:04
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Boris is due some success, so far he's been the Thomas Cook of Prime Ministers. He's just shown what a good Theresa May has done, she must be grateful that someone of his calibre stepped into her shoes.
I can't see that it's in the EU's interests to not grant an extension as it increases the likelihood of our remaining a member.

Damien 24-09-2019 22:10
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ComRes for The Telegraph:

https://twitter.com/Andrew_ComRes/st...00702866591744

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New @ComRes snap poll for @Telegraph: public say Supreme Court ‘right’ to overrule prorogation by almost 2 to 1 (50% to 29%)
Prorogation seems to have been a disastrous decision by Boris Johnson. Unpopular with the public, involved the Queen, rebuffed by the Supreme Court, caused splits within the party, united the opposition (who were at each others throats over the Summer!) and didn't even do what we think they intended!

If this outrage was the clever scheme Dominic Cummings intended it's hard to see what the end goal of all this is...

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36011609)
We should have a general election and another referendum on the same day.
No because we know what the voters would do:

1) Elect a Remain-supporting Government but vote to Leave with No Deal

2) Elect a No Deal supporting Government but vote to Remain.

1andrew1 24-09-2019 22:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36011617)
ComRes for The Telegraph:

https://twitter.com/Andrew_ComRes/st...00702866591744

Prorogation seems to have been a disastrous decision by Boris Johnson. Unpopular with the public, involved the Queen, rebuffed by the Supreme Court, caused splits within the party, united the opposition (who were at each others throats over the Summer!) and didn't even do what we think they intended!

If this outrage was the clever scheme Dominic Cummings intended it's hard to see what the end goal of all this is...
Dominic Cummings seems to be the best thing that's happened to Jeremy Corbyn this year. ;) I bet he cannot believe his luck!

Chris 24-09-2019 22:48
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36011617)
ComRes for The Telegraph:

https://twitter.com/Andrew_ComRes/st...00702866591744



Prorogation seems to have been a disastrous decision by Boris Johnson. Unpopular with the public, involved the Queen, rebuffed by the Supreme Court, caused splits within the party, united the opposition (who were at each others throats over the Summer!) and didn't even do what we think they intended!

If this outrage was the clever scheme Dominic Cummings intended it's hard to see what the end goal of all this is...

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No because we know what the voters would do:

1) Elect a Remain-supporting Government but vote to Leave with No Deal

2) Elect a No Deal supporting Government but vote to Remain.
In the same ComRes poll, 60% agreed with the statement “Parliament has had plenty of time to debate Brexit and we should just get on with leaving the EU".

Gavin78 24-09-2019 23:00
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Boris still seems pretty confident that we are still leaving on the 31st October. unless he's been very smart about the whole thing and he really wants to stay in the EU and exhausting all options to leave but in the process pleasing the leave voters into thinking he's done everything he can for them.

Just a theory

ianch99 24-09-2019 23:01
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36011602)
Oh please. At worst. the work of a chancer (bad though that be).
That's a pretty low bar you are holding the Prime Minister of this country to. Is this how far we have regressed?

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36011622)
In the same ComRes poll, 60% agreed with the statement “Parliament has had plenty of time to debate Brexit and we should just get on with leaving the EU".
But hey, what does polling know? Mick is right on this one ..

Carth 24-09-2019 23:43
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Late into the discussion, that's the trouble with working for a living . . .

Anyway:

Lady Hale said: "The court is bound to conclude therefore that the decision to advise Her Majesty to prorogue was unlawful because it had the effect of frustrating or preventing the ability of parliament to carry out its constitutional functions.""

I don't get this at all, surely ANY proroguement (is that a word? ) of Parliament has the effect of "frustrating or preventing the ability of parliament to carry out its constitutional functions"

any good lawyers on here? :D

jfman 25-09-2019 00:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36011622)
In the same ComRes poll, 60% agreed with the statement “Parliament has had plenty of time to debate Brexit and we should just get on with leaving the EU".
The public are clearly idiots.

(Not for that one specifically but the at face value contradictory nature of that one and the one you quoted).

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36011631)
Late into the discussion, that's the trouble with working for a living . . .

Anyway:

Lady Hale said: "The court is bound to conclude therefore that the decision to advise Her Majesty to prorogue was unlawful because it had the effect of frustrating or preventing the ability of parliament to carry out its constitutional functions.""

I don't get this at all, surely ANY proroguement (is that a word? ) of Parliament has the effect of "frustrating or preventing the ability of parliament to carry out its constitutional functions"

any good lawyers on here? :D
If you’d accept the attempt of this amateur armchair lawyer I think the view would be any time Parliament is prorogued previously isn’t against the backdrop of a deadline and is usually for the stated reason - to deliver a new Queen’s Speech.

Governments losing this many votes would generally be out the door and a General Election called. Making these very unusual times.

Mick 25-09-2019 06:52
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36011635)
The public are clearly idiots.
Wow, how obnoxiously ignorant can you get? :dozey:

people vote a different way, or view to you and you refer to them as idiots. They are right though, our toxic Parliament has had plenty of time to scrutinise, seizing the order paper, making stupid laws.


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