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jfman 14-10-2019 20:19
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36013880)
It certainly won't be solved by building £4m racing yachts that serve no real functional purpose. Realistically people would have to give up non-functional items. Eg Are women going to give up make-up and accessories?
Cheap advertising to highlight the issue globally.

nomadking 14-10-2019 20:26
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Cheap advertising to highlight the issue globally.
Highlighting the fact that air travel has no real alternatives.

jfman 14-10-2019 20:48
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36013882)
Highlighting the fact that air travel has no real alternatives.
It’s a rather perverse interpretation, but not unexpected.

denphone 14-10-2019 21:00
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36013882)
Highlighting the fact that air travel has no real alternatives.
People survived in the old days when there was no air travel just that it took them longer to get from from A to B.

OLD BOY 14-10-2019 21:12
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36013891)
People survived in the old days when there was no air travel just that it took them longer to get from from A to B.
I really don't think we want to go back to those days.

1andrew1 14-10-2019 21:15
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36013882)
Highlighting the fact that air travel has no real alternatives.
The issue with current air travel is that it exclusively burns fossil fuels in large quantities. If you remove the use of fossil fuels then you solve the problem. There are alternatives to air travel including Skype.

OLD BOY 14-10-2019 21:16
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36013866)
Climate change won't be solved by capitalism. Nobody wants to pay, everyone wants everything cheap.

"I'm only one person I can't change anything" means the market can't change anything.
Nor would it be solved by communism. The answer is a mixed economy, of course.

The UK is leading the way on tackling climate change under a mixed economy, and that was even while we were in austerity.

denphone 14-10-2019 21:16
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36013896)
I really don't think we want to go back to those days.
l am sure no one wants to go back to the old days OB but societies did survive very well before air travel.

OLD BOY 14-10-2019 21:21
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36013256)
Unfortunately, as we'll find out, Climate Change will end up with an extreme ending. Remainers will be blamed i should think. Our Grandkids will ask 'why did you obsess so long about poxy Brexit, when you should have been trying to save the Planet ?'
The end of the world has been predicted many times before, and still the date keeps getting postponed. Reminds me of Brexit..

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36013900)
l am sure no one wants to go back to the old days OB but societies did survive very well before air travel.
Can't believe you are seriously advocating that! Don't go back too far though, there aren't enough caves to go around. :D

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36013880)
It certainly won't be solved by building £4m racing yachts that serve no real functional purpose. Realistically people would have to give up non-functional items. Eg Are women going to give up make-up and accessories?
Well, I didn't realise that lipstick caused climate change...:D

jfman 14-10-2019 21:23
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36013899)
Nor would it be solved by communism. The answer is a mixed economy, of course.

The UK is leading the way on tackling climate change under a mixed economy, and that was even while we were in austerity.
If the bar capitalism is working to is to be "slightly better than communism" then democratic socialism is going to obliterate it in the coming years.

denphone 14-10-2019 21:26
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36013901)

Can't believe you are seriously advocating that! Don't go back too far though, there aren't enough caves to go around. :D
l am not talking about the days of the hunter gatherer OB :D as l am just saying that modern societies will highly likely have to make some sacrifices in the future.

The trouble with parts of modern societry is they are too mollycoddled and would find it hard to survive if many of the modern conveniences and luxuries were taken away from them.

OLD BOY 14-10-2019 21:32
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36013904)
If the bar capitalism is working to is to be "slightly better than communism" then democratic socialism is going to obliterate it in the coming years.
There's no 'slightly' about it. Communism is and was a complete disaster.

jfman 14-10-2019 21:40
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There's no 'slightly' about it. Communism is and was a complete disaster.
That's where you set the very low bar. I'm pointing out I hope it aspires for more but doubt it will. Too much money being made with the status quo.

denphone 14-10-2019 21:42
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36013909)
There's no 'slightly' about it. Communism is and was a complete disaster.
Indeed it is but unfettered capitalism is a disaster as well.

spiderplant 14-10-2019 22:57
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36013891)
People survived in the old days when there was no air travel just that it took them longer to get from from A to B.
"According to our calculations, a cruiseliner such as Queen Mary 2 emits 0.43kg of CO2 per passenger mile, compared with 0.257kg for a long-haul flight"

"Travelling to New York and back on the QEII uses almost 7.6 times as much carbon as making the same journey by plane"

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2.../cruises.green


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