Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 

no doubt he be back later to give his views

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 

Coming up in the next few weeks in a newspaper near you ‘why we should rejoin the EU & how I never wanted us to leave in the first place’

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 

Well Nadine is behind him

Didn't hear a single word of contrition or regret about how he got to this point, just a snivelling woe is me pity party and he's still there, remind me, I've got some vague recollection of him lecturing us on leave meaning leave not so long ago

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Noa Hoffman
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Senior government source messages: "That speech was a f'ing disgrace."

edited to take out swear word and she works for the sun

Who will be the next PM?
 

Who do you think it will be? And who would you like it to be? And, who would fill you full of dread ?

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 

What did I say earlier?

Stop provoking other members.

Re: Who will be the next PM?
 

It won't be anyone I can remotely trust.

Re: Who will be the next PM?
 

Keep this discussion to this thread, we don’t need any new topics. Threads merged.

Re: Who will be the next PM?
 

Liz Truss
Jeremy Hunt*

Liz Truss and most of the rest.


*I don't like him either but it's just damage limitation.


Sorry, missed the above.

Re: Who will be the next PM?
 

Can we have the thread title updated to be more reflective of the changing subject ?

Thank you…..

Re: Who will be the next PM?
 

None of them I would trust.

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=3183

I’m not joining in with the silly comments. When a sensible discussion commences, no doubt I will give my views. But until then, that’s all I’m commenting on just now. You’ll eventually get all that hate and vitriol out of your systems. One hopes.

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 

TBH I think all anyone wants is for you to give some account of your absolute faith that Boris would weather this storm, in the light of the events of the past 36 hours. For some reason you felt confident to make ever more assertive and absolute predictions about his survival (someone quoted a selection of them earlier), even as everyone else - including some very long, long-term Conservative voters like me - could see the writing was on the wall and it was only a matter of when, not if.

It looks increasingly like you felt obliged to dig your heels in just because someone disagreed with you and not because your view was grounded in any attempt at analysis of the situation.

Re: Updated: Boris resigns as party leader
 

Boris resigns to spend less time with his children.

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 

This is a fair analysis and pov from Chris, & OB can freely choose to answer at his own leisure but I don’t want to see goading type posts or “I told you so” from others.

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 

Wanting to see the back of the worst Prime Minister in recent memory, a liar, someone who has broken the law, someone who cannot be relied upon to deliver manifesto commitments is very far from “hate” or “vitriol”.

He haphazardly partially delivered one policy and that hasn’t even settled the rifts in the party that it was intended to.

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I don't think Brown was the worse PM, just a dull one.

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 

I thought he could continue after Partygate, but as the Pincher allegations took hold and the media seized on individual words BJ used to describe what had happened, it became obvious to me that this was one allegation too many, and he had to go because the media and the Opposition was not going to relent.

It is important to remember that he is not out due to his policies or their implementation. He’s out because people seem to think that trivial issues like the PM receiving a fine for that cake ambush were more important than the wider interests of this country.

I do believe that we have got this completely out of proportion. I know Boris had his faults, of course I do, but I wanted him to continue for his vision of the future. He knew how he was going to achieve levelling up, make a success of Brexit and address the NHS/Care system, issues which were pretty unique to him. Who else is there to adequately achieve his mandate for governing? That is now the question - that’s what the people voted for.

I am not optimistic at this time. Wallace appears to be a good candidate, but he voted remain. Does he understand what Brexit was designed to achieve?

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 

I cannot believe you are still spouting such levels of bovine excrement, he's not going because of cake, he's not going because of a fine, he's not even going because he gave a job to a sexual predator who I'll remind you that you tried to excuse with nonsense about school bike sheds, he's not going because of the newspapers or the opposition either, he's going because his colleagues are sick of his lies and dishonesty, they're sick of him making them look stupid being wheeled out to defend him only for the story to change hours later, bozos lack of integrity caught up with him and he has no one to blame but himself


Does anyone? :confused:

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i take a dull but competent PM right now hopefully next one can be

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Lying to the public did not unseat him. But lying to his collleagues did.

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https://twitter.com/pippacrerar/stat...JvBB73vpAN8UlQ

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Let’s be honest he’s been lying to them for years and many tolerated it for so long as he was an electoral asset. A Government crashing from chaotic event to chaotic event, sliding in the polls and overseeing the biggest collapse in living standards in many of our lifetimes wasn’t going to be put up with until electoral defeat in 2024.

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Re: The future of television
 

Has Johnson actually resigned?

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...prime-minister

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That's a fair summary. Labour does need someone other than Starmer to galvanise his Party. You could argue Brown has more charisma - damning with faint praise.

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I understand those things are important to you, but he has had rather a lot on (in case you hadn’t noticed), and hasn’t served the full term for which he was elected.

HS2 is not ridiculous.Updating the transport infrastructure of our country is important. Our existing roads and railways are antiquated compared with other prosperous countries in the world. We can’t expect to compete in the modern world by continuing to look ‘quaint’.

I look at what he has achieved and what he was aspiring to achieve. The tittle-tattle that has preoccupied people on this forum was unimportant in the scheme of things.

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It’s depressing that even after all of this, you still think that multiple, serious issues of personal integrity are “tittle tattle”.

Re: The future of television
 

He said he will resign when a new leader is selected. Then he will tender his resignation to the Queen. The Queen will then summon the leader of the party that can assemble a majority in the Commons to ask them to form a government.

That’s normal practice, isn’t it?

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Oh goody, Matt Hancock possibly Manoeuvring for leadership. :sick:

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Getting the mandate of the people fulfilled is far more important.

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Surely not. :rofl:

Re: Updated: Boris resigns as party leader
 

Quote from Tues on Twitter :)

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Sky News just presumably interviewed OB and Mrs OB outside a pub in England.

Re: Updated: Boris resigns as party leader
 

That "tittle-tattle" got him fired, so probably not that unimportant in the scheme of things.

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Others in the Party can do that without the need to appoint a known molester to a position of power, lying continually and risking national security.

Re: The future of television
 

He’s talking about hanging on until Autumn - that’s not "normal practice"…

Theresa May’s resignation speech was on the 24th May, with effect on the 7th June (two weeks).

https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...et-24-may-2019

David Cameron announced his resignation on 24th June and Theresa May became Leader on 11th July, and she became PM 13th July (under three weeks)…

https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...prime-minister

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I am glad Boris is going ,he was taking his party down, I hope they get someone strong to take down the Nationalists, I am not a Tory but just passing my opinion

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Yeah, but I think he’s burnt his bridges, I was never a fan of him. He cannot function like he has, fumbling important decisions with lies after lies.

As to who should be the next PM, I’d be happy with Ben Wallace. His defiance against Russia has impressed me.

Re: The future of television
 

He is expecting to carry on as PM until the next Leader is appointed according to BBC News. I don’t recall Boris himself say he’s carrying on until autumn. I think that was speculation.

Re: The future of television
 

Re: The future of television
 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2117793.html

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ive-leadership

He’s hanging on in the hope perhaps the horse will learn to sing…

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Boris was/is particularly despised in Scotland.

The next leader needs to be able to break through into Scotland and expose the SNP for the terrible job they’re doing.

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:rofl:

Re: The future of television
 

All you are doing is repeating press speculation. Boris has only said he will remain until a new leader is elected. That can and most likely be done by, or soon after, the beginning of August. It will certainly be decided before the party conference which starts Oct 2nd.

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Yes, good shout, I like him too.

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They don’t have to break through that much either. A case for the Union can be made and made well …….by a competent person.

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The Conservatives haven’t broke through in Scotland since before the Suez crisis. The successor to Boris should stick to what they know best kick starting the south east economy to pay for us up in the provinces. We can use the Barnett consequentials to pay for all the free stuff.

Re: The future of television
 

Since the first quote came from a No. 10 source, pretty sure that’s not "press speculation"…

In other news…

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks...de-2022-07-07/

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My own opinion is that joker Boris has been a total disgrace and should have resign after he received the fixed penalty notice he should have quit.

EVERY MEMBER of this forum HAD to abide by rules that he set during lock down. yet he broke them, and the law, he even lied to Parliament.

I do NOT have any sympathy for him what so ever.

This is the same. One rule for an old Etonian, and one rule for others

I am going for Nadine as the next pm

Re: Updated: Boris resigns as party leader
 

You are delusional if you think everyone on the forum (or otherwise) abided by all the rules in lockdown.

If you look hard enough, you might find one or two saints out there. :angel:
The vast majority broke them at some point, I dont personally know of anyone who didnt.

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I actually think we were doing pretty well abiding by the rules right up until gollum went to Durham, we should have all realised then that bozo was a wrong un

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Hey!! I was a good girl. Mind as I live 5 minutes from a marvellous beach I found it easy to go out and avoid the rest of the world and stick to the 2 metre rule. Independent butchers ,baker and greengrocer made it even easier to stick to the rules.However it seems that those telling us to behave weren’t trustworthy after all.

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One day i didn't wash my hands.

Re: The future of television
 

'To be in place by' because it could take that long. However it may only take two or three weeks.

---------- Post added at 08:15 ---------- Previous post was at 08:08 ----------

I wouldn't admit that on here! :D

Re: The future of television
 

There is no constitutional precedent for Boris to step down immediately, we don't have "temporary" Prime Ministers. The whole process will take about 6 weeks, the candidates will be known in around two weeks.

Parliament is about to go into recess anyway, he won't be overseeing any legislature or policy making.

This is just all good political capital for Labour, treading out the buzzword of "zombie government" (heard it about 30 times already this morning) demanding a General Election, whilst totally forgetting the government had an 80 seat majority and an overwhelming mandate to govern.

Labour will call for a vote of no confidence, putting Conservatives in the paradox of having to cast a positive vote for the guy they just sacked.

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I don't personally know of anyone who did. Do you work in Downing Street?

Re: The future of television
 

Government is about far more than just legislation. Even where there is legislation this requires the direction of a Government department, it’s officials and it’s lawyers to draft, consult and introduce the legislation at a later date.

So this very much is a zombie Government regardless of the fact Parliament is in recess for a portion of that time.

Putin will be loving it!

Re: The future of television
 

Well we should probably let Putin have that one, he’s had precious little else to celebrate, what with his entire army slowly being ground to dust in Ukraine.

Precedent is an important part of the way this country operates. It creates genuine pressure against reckless or overweening use of power by those who hold it. It’s the reason why there was never any hope of Boris surviving this, despite his obvious personal disdain for it. The entire system runs on it and eventually the pressure was always going to be too great even for him to resist.

It is therefore wise not to upend precedent for short-term convenience. Insisting Boris go now, and installing a ‘caretaker’ for a mere 6-8 weeks, would be a piece of political theatre which in the short term might demonstrate just how really, really cross we all are with him, but in the longer term will chip away at the whole idea of the office being occupied by someone who demonstrably has the confidence of the House of Commons, which is normally evidenced by the largest party having held a leadership election.

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I think the notion removing him upends anything is a creative interpretation of events.

The irony in your last sentence is he commands neither the support of his party or Parliament, when almost certainly there’s someone sitting behind him who would for an interim period.

This isn’t someone that the political winds shifted past them. This is a liar, a law-breaker, someone who meets a KGB agent following a NATO summit without the presence of officials. Starmer has every right to go for the open goal before him.

Re: The future of television
 

As what you said.

Those demanding Johnson go now, are utterly insane, the final duty of any outgoing Prime Minister is to establish someone else to take over, who can command and have confidence in the House of Commons, for when he in person, hands his resignation, he has to name his successor for the Queen to then invite said person, to form a government that has Confidence of the House.

But in the interim, he is a lame duck Prime Minister, he cannot introduce any new policies. That however said, whatever scandals and drama that unfolds, to the rest of the world, there still has to be a functioning chief executive, that if provoked, it will still respond.

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The idea that an interim would have less credibility, or authority, than Johnson in a crisis is fanciful

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Yeah but what you all said before my post about KGB meeting, is utterly fanciful. Yeah he broke a minor law, yeah he’s a liar, but so was Tony Blair, Cameron….. they remained in office until a successor was found.

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He said himself he “probably” met with Lebedev without officials. That’s not fanciful.

Neither Blair nor Cameron were forced from office in the same manner as BJ.

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Still irrelevant. Stop trying to have last word, jfman, you won’t win. Let’s just agree to disagree. ;)

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A sensible approach. ;)

So when does everyone have to declare they are running by?

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That'll be decided after Monday.

They need to think very carefully about who gets picked or voters will turn against them.

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Spot on Paul. And yet all those supposedly without sin are here, lining up to cast the first stone.

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And yet if and when Starmer manages to get a confidence vote on the agenda, the Tory party will back Boris. Expect at that point Tory backbenchers to make basically the same argument I just did. Confidence extends to his keeping the seat warm while his successor is chosen, and no further.

There is indeed an open goal in front of Starmer right now but exploiting it consists of making a lot of noise about Boris still being in the job, not seriously expecting him to go until the Tory leadership election is finished. The moment Boris is out of Downing Street Starmer has to find something else to shout about. Politically it suits him for Boris not to go early, regardless of any public pronouncements he might make.

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What if he wins the confidence vote and decides there is no reason to go ?

Re: Updated: Boris resigns as party leader
 

He has already resigned as party leader - once there is a new party leader in place, another confidence motion can always be put to MPs. Though I suspect even Boris wouldn't be that brazen.

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As said earlier, the country appear to be pretty much united in their response/obedience (of course there would have been some that broke the rules at the time) up until such time as DC went to Durham, that was the when the crack in the dam first started appearing in terms of non compliance.
then as news about partygate & beergate emerged more the crack got bigger until pretty much everyone went ah, well, if they can do it so can we.

It's the changing of stories, repeated lies, call if what you will, that wore a great deal of people's patience down with Boris, culminating in his own party turning against him for the same reasons.

The only person responsible for Boris's downfall, is Boris himself.

Re: The future of television
 

Just to be clear, I don’t think he should go immediately.

I’m just concerned that if he hangs on until Party Conference in 12 weeks time, something might happen (or be arranged to happen) which he will use as an excuse not to go.

As one of his ex-mistresses (Petronella Wyatt) stated in the Times today

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...51709ac2043bf6

Re: The future of television
 

All irrelevant speculation Hugh. He will go as soon as a new leader has been elected. The timeline for that will be decided by the party's management board.

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Sir Keir Starmer cleared by Durham Police over 'beergate' after vowing to resign if he received fine

https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-...-fine-12609812

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No fines for beergate what a farce, I demand a reinvestigation.

Re: The future of television
 

We’re on a forum - that’s most of what we do… ;)

Re: Updated: Boris resigns as party leader
 

Keir's gonna be opening a few cans tonight!

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And a curry, probably…

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I suppose the Durham Chief of Police can cancel the order for his ermine robe then? :)

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l see you never demanded reinvestigations into Boris's parties.;)

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Business meetings.

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i demand a reinvestigation to all the parties Johnson went too

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Good for you

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Starmer is holding a press conference later. If he has any sense at all he'll do it with a pint in hand.

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:D:D

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Keir still as leader and a new conservative leader, is the best thing for the Tories in 2024 GE. I didn’t want Starmer going anywhere, so good news, for the Tories. :D

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I can't help noticing you've turned into a rebel:)

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Whether one liked Boris Johnson or not he won a 80 seat majority and was charismatic to a good many voters even though it turned very sour in the end.

Sometimes the grass is not that greener on the other side.

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He’s not that funny, sadly.

Re: Updated: Boris resigns as party leader
 

With timing this good, Durham Police should be doing a turn at the Fringe.

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Something we agree on. :cleader:

Re: The future of television
 

Why do you keep asking for links then?

Speculation should be permitted on any discussion forum, but not at the expense of the truth as they see it.

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That’s two by my count :D

Re: The future of television
 

Because hopefully, the speculation should be informed - you should try it…. ;

In that specific case, her speculation was informed, as she had been his mistress for four years, and was pregnant twice by him.

"truth as they see it"? Interesting concept.

btw, "keep asking for links"? I have asked once this year…

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To be fair, Durham Police have got it right.

Pity the Met was involved in Boris’s case. I note they are now in special measures. It’s about time.

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I’m not sure how working compared with a birthday party?